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BALIX 27th Oct 2003 06:07

The old and the new
 
October 24th - I find my self (actually, I made sure I was there) on the Humber sector when G-BOAE accelerated to Mach 2.03 on its way up the North Sea on its penultimate commercial flight.

October 25th - I find myself on the Humber Sector again (not by design this time) working KLMs first B777 on its delivery flight into EHAM.

Let's face it, mass travel has won out over speed. :{

TrafficTraffic 28th Oct 2003 16:06

Far Be It for Me To HiJack a thread....
 
I am interested in the excessive use of the word penultimate by our English brothers and sisters.

To continue the theory - do you use Twice or Two Times for example...

Twice today the Clacton Sector gave us aircraft that were not separated....

or

Two times today the Clacton sector gave us aircraft that were not separated....


:ouch:

Findo 28th Oct 2003 16:15

Traffic what are you on at this time in the morning ?

:eek: :eek:

TrafficTraffic 28th Oct 2003 20:00

B4 anybody gets all crappy
 
....the examples were purely hypothetical......


How do you know it is morning? Where I am.

BALIX 28th Oct 2003 20:08

Traffic

I don't mind you hijacking the thread as it was going nowhere anyway.

What, though, is wrong with the word penultimate? It sounds a damn sight better than saying 'on its next to the last commercial flight' don't you think?

As for the other examples I wouldn't say either as I don't do any sector that shares a boundary with the Clacton sector :E

TrafficTraffic 28th Oct 2003 21:16

Ok thats sounds fair..
 
Hows about

2nd Last

:confused:

Findo 29th Oct 2003 02:39

The use of penultimate appears to be the very accurate description of that particular flight.

The next flight was to be the last one to happen and was to be the ultimate flight. The next-to-last is the penultimate so that was correct.


You can try to find other ways to express the same but 2nd last, 2nd from last, 99th out of one hundred merely talk about a sequence which could continue i.e. the 2nd last today but lots more tomorrow.

Unless of course you are saying it wasn't the 2nd last because if there was another one then the flight Balix was working would have been the antepenultimate.

Pretty straightforward really :uhoh: :uhoh:

Iron City 29th Oct 2003 21:40

Not if you are vocabulary challenged.

LostThePicture 29th Oct 2003 22:20

Shouldn't that be "vocabularily challenged"?

ex-EGLL 30th Oct 2003 04:21

Findo:

I take abuse every time I use the word penultimate over here in the colonies. Thanks for a new one "antepenultimate" to taunt the colonials with

ex-egll

The Obvious Choice 30th Oct 2003 04:46

How is using a particular word ONCE excessive?

Very good word, infact the correct word.

TrafficTraffic 30th Oct 2003 05:50


How is using a particular word ONCE excessive?
I only have one thing to say...


R e a d m y p o s t

Findo 30th Oct 2003 18:58

Traffic I have just taken the R e a d m y p o s t advice.

I do apologise for butting in. I had not read the post properly and didn't see that it was aimed at "our English brothers ".

I'll stand back and let you savage the blighters ;) ;)

TrafficTraffic 30th Oct 2003 23:03

Absolutely no probs Findo
 
And while we are here let me say what a pleasure it is dealing with the Scots in the Humber Sector. Aren't the Scottish great * people.......


......... *Lon?

av8boy 31st Oct 2003 04:49


Shouldn't that be "vocabularily challenged"?
Yes. However, I'd hypenate it.... And that's the ultimate thing I'm going to say about it. :D

Dave

Findo 31st Oct 2003 06:15

Traffic

Thanks for the kind words. We do have some Scots on Humber but we also have plenty of English and Irish and at least one semi Canadian.

Do I take it you are on a channel adjacent to us ?

:ooh:

BALIX 31st Oct 2003 16:05


Do I take it you are on a channel adjacent to us ?
And if so, can we have climb on that Amsterdam outbound please :D

VectorLine 31st Oct 2003 19:04

So, Traffic

I am Scottish, yet work a Swanwick sector abutting Masstricht UAR.

Am I still 'great'?

PS - a contingent of Swanwick ATCOS will be making a liason visit to the Masstricht Centre on Wednesday afternoon.

If you are at work, you will have ample opportunity to articulate your ideas on taffic presentation - face to face.

That is, if you dare break cover!

TrafficTraffic 31st Oct 2003 21:19

How amusing...
 
I will be down visiting your side then....

LON dont tell them where.


But I send my regards to you all anyway.

Big KISS from TT


LOL

...dare to break cover
what could I expect a fate worse the a fate worse than death?

Lon More 1st Nov 2003 22:03

TT The truth will out!!!

I didn't really believe that "Meeting finishes at 6, won't be able to make the flight excuse"; now we know why you've gone into hiding.

Thank God my memory's going - stay away another week and I may have forgotten you.

Lon More, or less


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