DOHA ATCO 2022
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The inability to comply with ICAO Doc’s 7030 / 10151 & 9426 coupled with being viewed with hilarity at all PIRG meetings is what the Qatar CAAs Air Navigation Department has been reduced to. All these recent posed pics of document signing in relation to the approved FIR phased implementation is nothing short of a badly edited version of Attack of the Giant Killer Tomatoes. You really dont know whether to laugh, or be scared, although your kneejerk reaction is laughter through disbelief at just how successful ‘smoke & mirrors’ can actually be. Hardware, software & underwritten procedures is all it is. Half heartedly or never applied in practise.
With an AOC (Air Operations Centre), Air Defence in which the “fighter controllers” cannot read a basic radar tag, this new FIR phased approval is like throwing fuel on a fire. Fools and a state of confusion reign supreme. The UAE has reluctantly succumbed. I don’t blame my old colleagues for this as I’m certain they are sick to death of the unrelenting whinging and wining anyway. The UAE has a robust internal organic growth program that is light years ahead of its GCC counterparts and matches those of its ‘western’ counterparts. Qatar having its own FIR is of little consequence in their bigger picture. Bahrain however have put forward worthy and realistic operational and policy questions to Qatar about their ATM of an FIR. To date Qatar is still unable to answer those questions without misdirection & untruths. Bahrain however is closely monitoring them and not allowing Qatar to monopolise on any previous misdirection. So Qatar will continue to procrastinate and play the victim.
Controllers are actively jumping ship at any and every opportunity out of Qatar/QCAA. Some may say that is normal staff turnover. Maybe, however, in a time when jobs are scarce!?! Seems at odds with labour market trends.
The Air Navigation Department of Qatar has been allowed to sink into disrepute through years of gross mismanagement by its Director. His very own countrymen in the aviation profession think him the ultimate buffoon and cartoon sideshow. Yet given a title, even a buffoon backed by government money ends up being addressed with a smile and a handshake. The narcissism of this height challenged man is such that when any of his staff are accredited with praise his weaknesses shine through as that is when he actively and negatively targets his own employees behind their backs. In essence he detests hearing anything good said about any of his staff, expatriate or local, as he sees it as a personal affront. Poor poor little man.
The controllers here, in fact all the staffing in the Air Navigation Department not only deserve, but are worthy of far far better management and leadership. They all adapt and give it their best, under appallingly poor leadership/management. In fact referring to those with titles as ‘leaders’ or even managers is like putting a Lamborghini label on a toddlers walking ring. This place has proven conclusively to me that money can buy you whatever you want except what is really needed in any profession. That being ability, skill, integrity, honesty, quality training, education, vision, strength, insight, compassion, empathy, understanding, encouragement, growth, development etc etc etc. The shiniest of shiny is here, however at the same time, the absolute worst leadership/management possible, is also prevalent.
With an AOC (Air Operations Centre), Air Defence in which the “fighter controllers” cannot read a basic radar tag, this new FIR phased approval is like throwing fuel on a fire. Fools and a state of confusion reign supreme. The UAE has reluctantly succumbed. I don’t blame my old colleagues for this as I’m certain they are sick to death of the unrelenting whinging and wining anyway. The UAE has a robust internal organic growth program that is light years ahead of its GCC counterparts and matches those of its ‘western’ counterparts. Qatar having its own FIR is of little consequence in their bigger picture. Bahrain however have put forward worthy and realistic operational and policy questions to Qatar about their ATM of an FIR. To date Qatar is still unable to answer those questions without misdirection & untruths. Bahrain however is closely monitoring them and not allowing Qatar to monopolise on any previous misdirection. So Qatar will continue to procrastinate and play the victim.
Controllers are actively jumping ship at any and every opportunity out of Qatar/QCAA. Some may say that is normal staff turnover. Maybe, however, in a time when jobs are scarce!?! Seems at odds with labour market trends.
The Air Navigation Department of Qatar has been allowed to sink into disrepute through years of gross mismanagement by its Director. His very own countrymen in the aviation profession think him the ultimate buffoon and cartoon sideshow. Yet given a title, even a buffoon backed by government money ends up being addressed with a smile and a handshake. The narcissism of this height challenged man is such that when any of his staff are accredited with praise his weaknesses shine through as that is when he actively and negatively targets his own employees behind their backs. In essence he detests hearing anything good said about any of his staff, expatriate or local, as he sees it as a personal affront. Poor poor little man.
The controllers here, in fact all the staffing in the Air Navigation Department not only deserve, but are worthy of far far better management and leadership. They all adapt and give it their best, under appallingly poor leadership/management. In fact referring to those with titles as ‘leaders’ or even managers is like putting a Lamborghini label on a toddlers walking ring. This place has proven conclusively to me that money can buy you whatever you want except what is really needed in any profession. That being ability, skill, integrity, honesty, quality training, education, vision, strength, insight, compassion, empathy, understanding, encouragement, growth, development etc etc etc. The shiniest of shiny is here, however at the same time, the absolute worst leadership/management possible, is also prevalent.
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Don't be too quick to listen to the bitter rantings of the OP. Yes there is a lot that still needs improved in Doha ATC. Nowhere is perfect and this place is certainly no exception. OP is almost certainly "misspeaking" about not being part of the recent assessment. I hear there were 5 assessed, not all passed the practical and of those that did, some were rejected due to other factors. Its no good being a great controller if nobody wants to work with you eh? He is ranting like a lunatic about how terrible this place is but was desperate to come back? I smell a rotten rat in there somewhere.
Anyone for sour grapes? I'm sure it sucks to be basically unemployable due to your reputation even though you are a perfectly capable controller.
Anyway the bottom line is there are a lot worse places to work in the world and all of them are worse paid than here.
Is it everyone's ideal destination? Definitely not. Are the QCAA the worst employer in the region? 100% no!
Do your own research. I think the money is probably the best in the world right now. A lot of that is because there is some **** to put up with. Don't listen to Doha's least favorite black sheep.
Anyone for sour grapes? I'm sure it sucks to be basically unemployable due to your reputation even though you are a perfectly capable controller.
Anyway the bottom line is there are a lot worse places to work in the world and all of them are worse paid than here.
Is it everyone's ideal destination? Definitely not. Are the QCAA the worst employer in the region? 100% no!
Do your own research. I think the money is probably the best in the world right now. A lot of that is because there is some **** to put up with. Don't listen to Doha's least favorite black sheep.
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There is no money in the budget and increasing the budget long term is about as probable as flying pigs. Money just does not exist. Most are hoping after the SWC that Al Eshaq finally either retires or gets the boot for his pathetically substandard role as Director. However all of us have come to realise there are a hundred little Ahmed’s to replace him if that happens so pretty much status quo.
There is serious concern among the longer serving controllers here that training was not given enough focus and time to incoming staff. There seems to be among the majority of the newer arrivals the inability to understand speed control application as it would appear that even in medium to low traffic loadings final approach is regularly reaching the Saudi Arabia border. So much for reduced sep on final approach and the much talked about Independent Parallel Ops. Complaints from crew are weekly (sometimes daily) on freq.
As pointed out the money is well above average, however that goes only so far and when you realise that this joke of an operation is almost like the perfect storm for someone to lose their license in, you start to review certain values. Aside from the almost guaranteed salary/staff review after the World Cup, everyone is well aware operationally nothing will change irrespective of who is in charge and are looking elsewhere. Money is an attractant up to a point.
All gone quiet here! How did the World Cup go? Mid air collisions? 'Technical losses' of separation galore? Burning wreckage on the runway? People fired? Overloaded sectors? Mental breakdowns? Loss of licences? Staff 'actively jumping ship'? No? Who'd have thought.
How did staff cope after the 'Biggest loss to Air Traffic Control in QCAA', aka Curtis', departure? Must've been tough.
Thank goodness Doha ATC had such enormous luck over the past few weeks. Maybe they should start buying lottery tickets next.
How did staff cope after the 'Biggest loss to Air Traffic Control in QCAA', aka Curtis', departure? Must've been tough.
Thank goodness Doha ATC had such enormous luck over the past few weeks. Maybe they should start buying lottery tickets next.
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If anyone here is currently working as an ATCO in Doha, I’d love to learn about current conditions and pay as well as if there is any hiring of en route controllers.
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Apart from the 48 degree heat, life in Doha is not bad. The grass might seem greener on the other side but it very rarely is.
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ON FUSION HIRING AREA CONTROL RATED ATCOs.
Can anybody provide some information about the job in Qatar? The working conditions, the package they are giving to the expats who are qualified and willing to work their?? It would be much appreciated. Thank you.
