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Old 14th Oct 2019, 15:07
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Originally Posted by CEJM
GLP, a pilot myself but according to CAP413 Chapter 6, page 5 the correct call is: “Kennington Tower, Bigjet 347”

Thank you for asking this question as I have been doing it wrong for the last 20 years.
I have been using “Tower, ABC ILS26, 5 miles”, unless otherwise instructed. I will change that to align with Cap413.
Every day is a school day as they say!!

Thanks.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 15:56
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Originally Posted by CEJM
GLP, a pilot myself but according to CAP413 Chapter 6, page 5 the correct call is: “Kennington Tower, Bigjet 347”

Thank you for asking this question as I have been doing it wrong for the last 20 years.
I have been using “Tower, ABC ILS26, 5 miles”, unless otherwise instructed. I will change that to align with Cap413.
I haven't found anything particular to this scenario neither in DOC4444 nor DOC9432 (Manual of radiotelehony) but I doubt a full position report is applicable here.
Are there any other manuals on this valid outside of the UK?

Also probably I have flown too many times to EDDF so I got used to say "Hello Tower, ABC, ILS25L" - one day in another place it helped me in a situation of runway confusion.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 18:35
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Well-intentioned advice to pilots declined via the most sanctimonious and "I know better than you" attitude.
E.g. helicopter pilot lifts from a private site 3 miles west of a well known and regularly busy airfield (A) and doesn't contact their ATC. Airfield A is using runway 27 and launching various types for training etc. Instead, pilot calls the next unit (B) several miles further up his intended route. Controller at B politely suggests, for future ops out of private site, pilot lets ATC at A know what he's up to. Reply: "I'm outside their ATZ, I'm not in controlled airspace, I don't have to speak to them at all."
Only trying to help you and other airspace users, sunshine, no need for the lecture, thanks.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 21:09
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From the LIDO AOI LHR pages.

Transfer to Tower
Report:
- Callsign
- Distance from touchdown
- Type of APCH and RWY to which they are making their APCH, on transfer to TWR (example: ABC 123,
7NM, ILS, RWY 27L)
I tend to apply that to every airport I fly to out of habit (I’m LHR based) despite what CAP413 advises unless it’s obvious what the specific airfield requires.

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Old 31st Oct 2019, 10:52
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Sir

Not calling us “Sir”
Appart from that, most annoying is not being able to tell us what they want. I’ve often had to use simple language like, “what do you want to do?” , in order to find out their intentions or wishes.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Passenger91
Not calling us “Sir”
Appart from that, most annoying is not being able to tell us what they want. I’ve often had to use simple language like, “what do you want to do?” , in order to find out their intentions or wishes.
Re. the first point... Yeh, right!
Second point: Totally agree, the general standard of RT seems to have markedly declined over the years. Many pilots don't actually seem to know what they are supposed to say, or ask for. It causes other pilots almost as much frustration as it must to ATC, especially on a busy frequency.

Another highly frustrating thing some pilots do is to ask for a service then once given it they turn down their receive volume so ATC have to make repeated calls to them.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 08:50
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Re ''Standby'' ...
2 Flatearthers Northbound over the Midlands , to leave from Scotland on their 1st Oceanic trip . ''Shanwick ABC request Oceanic '' .. Lovely lady ''Standby'' ....
3 mins from getting feet wet , after much shrugging of shoulders , quizzing looks back and forth ... Oh well here goes nothing ... ''Shanwick , ABC we're 3 mins from 't Ocean , and not got clearance '' .... Lovely lady with a bit of a bark '' ABC Why Did You Not Call Me Earlier ? '' .......... '' ABC , we did , 40 mins ago and you said STANDBY ! '' .... Could hear Lovely lady thinking '' ++++ '' .

Bwatch G .... re emergencies .
Lift off in AMS , little yellow light comes on re back up brakes , minor chuckle as it's P2 s go . Level out at crz , he's enjoying sorting out the problem , into hold at LAM [ Fri night rush hour ] , still finishing QRH and arithmatic . Turns out the book says we need 3 and 1/2 K of concrete . Doh . Luckily it's 27R .
Best give ATC an heads up , '' ABC , are you declaring an emergency ? '' ........ '' No , just giving you an heads up '' ....... '' ABC , are you declaring an emergency ? '' ......... repeat of above .... repeat .... '' Oh , All right this will be a PAN '' , ........'' ABC , Pan acknowledged , turn left 160, desc 3000 ft ,ONH 1013 , cleared approach '' .....
'' NO , were happy in the hold , awaiting our turn , burning gas , and finishing chks ! '' .......... Didn't mention wanted time to finish meal and have a coffee [ joke ].
As it was , we turned off at Block 16 with 16 firetrucks backtracking to meet us .

That's why aviation is called a game .

But thanks to ATC for '' getting us down safely '' for 36 yrs .

And thanks to D and D for brill. talk last night . Good Halloween fare in the fog .

rgds condor .
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