right orbit on short final
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If you would like the perspective of a low time student pilot.... I must say I would find that instruction difficult. I am not aware of a formal definition of 'short final', but if it is much less than say 2.5 miles when I would be particularly low and slow, I don't think it could be safely executed in many places without powering-up gaining significant height. I presume the implication of such an instruction is not to climb?? There are several of examples of people dying as a result of pressured manoevers like that in the pattern. A mile further out, and it would be no issue at all, but in those last few minutes when I am shedding speed and height, fiddling with flaps and radio, I would not be happy with such a request, in fact I hope I would reply 'unable', and request plan C.
Why would ATC not ask for a go-around?
Why would ATC not ask for a go-around?
I didn't know any different then, I just thought it was normal so i did it! It did occur to me that I hadn't encountered this during my training and certainly didn't do it on my GFT!
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Having been in a similar situation, both as an ATCO in the tower and a low hours PPL, , the correct instruction should have been "go around", pilot replies and complies, landing clearance to the following traffic PLUS traffic information as to what is happening ahead as it was obviously tight.
Seems pretty obvious the ATCO had misjudged the situation and had a bit of a moment, as acknowledged later.
The pilot, whilst having to comply with the go around instruction can always make a request as to how best get back to finals, otherwise they are quite entitled to fly the standard circuit.
As for the student scenario, any instructor that let's a student into the circuit without having practiced late go arounds should be shot.
I had the pleasure of practicing that in a very old Cessna 150 from a 40 degrees flap approach, heart rate of the first one went sky high, everyone should try it for a laugh.
Seems pretty obvious the ATCO had misjudged the situation and had a bit of a moment, as acknowledged later.
The pilot, whilst having to comply with the go around instruction can always make a request as to how best get back to finals, otherwise they are quite entitled to fly the standard circuit.
As for the student scenario, any instructor that let's a student into the circuit without having practiced late go arounds should be shot.
I had the pleasure of practicing that in a very old Cessna 150 from a 40 degrees flap approach, heart rate of the first one went sky high, everyone should try it for a laugh.
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Seems to me that an aircraft cleared to finals shouldn't be orbited there for reasons already stated. There's a number of ways that an inexperienced pilot could easily stuff that one up.
Yes, I learned to fly on the C150 - with 40 flap selected, full power increases the noise level but not the flight level!
I had the pleasure of practicing that in a very old Cessna 150 from a 40 degrees flap approach, heart rate of the first one went sky high, everyone should try it for a laugh.
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phdresearcher: I’m confused. On your first post you quote the landing clx was for runway 21; then in your most recent post (#21) you write the landing clx was for runway 03. Was the traffic behind you or landing on the other end?
