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Regardless, not wanting to 'work at Heathrow', or not wanting to 'live in London' was no excuse. Nats staff just had to get on with it. Yes, 'one or two' of the compulsory postees managed to wriggle out of it, we know who they were. Heathrow can't be short of staff, they have recently paid off voluntary redundancies. Surely Nats wouldn't do that if they were short, now would they...
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Malcy was North Bank on A Watch at LATCC before his holiday at Farnborough. We both turned up at Heathrow on 3rd November 1986. Is it still celebrated as an extra day off or Public Holiday?
I actually volunteered, grudgingly, for LL. The 1983 shift pay agreement and subsequent push for station/post grading by both the union and management meant that it made sense to leave Boscombe in order to improve my pension, as I was 27 when I joined CAA and it was before the days when one could transfer pension entitlement from your previous employer to the CAA scheme. Not that I had any to transfer!
Sorry for the thread drift folks, back to my rocking chair!
I actually volunteered, grudgingly, for LL. The 1983 shift pay agreement and subsequent push for station/post grading by both the union and management meant that it made sense to leave Boscombe in order to improve my pension, as I was 27 when I joined CAA and it was before the days when one could transfer pension entitlement from your previous employer to the CAA scheme. Not that I had any to transfer!
Sorry for the thread drift folks, back to my rocking chair!
It's as if the ones holding the purse strings don't realise it could take a newbie 12 months or more to gain a C of C.
Hmmmm, 56k in SE England / London. I thought career progression meant a pay RISE!
The large SE airports' motto should be 'Come and work a lot bloody harder, for less!'.
I'm being facetious but is it really too much to ask for experienced people to be paid what they are on at the moment when they move to these bigger units, rather than start below the pay scale of ATCOs? New ATCOs fair enough, but don't lump everyone into the same bracket. (I could have got this completely wrong and there is a lower bracket for ab-initios!). KK are doing it too.
If you move from one Regional to another they match your pay or increase it. I'm sure they know what they're doing and this isn't a race to the bottom of Ts&Cs all round....
Im not doubting 56k is great for any 'real world' job. But Heathrow!?
The large SE airports' motto should be 'Come and work a lot bloody harder, for less!'.
I'm being facetious but is it really too much to ask for experienced people to be paid what they are on at the moment when they move to these bigger units, rather than start below the pay scale of ATCOs? New ATCOs fair enough, but don't lump everyone into the same bracket. (I could have got this completely wrong and there is a lower bracket for ab-initios!). KK are doing it too.
If you move from one Regional to another they match your pay or increase it. I'm sure they know what they're doing and this isn't a race to the bottom of Ts&Cs all round....
Im not doubting 56k is great for any 'real world' job. But Heathrow!?
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Also applies if rejoining Nats after broken service, which is why I declined its invitation to re-join for 'London LARS' purposes
The 56K is the bottom of the ATCO2 scale for someone who has just validated but it does rise pretty quickly from then onwards..
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Hopefully that is as a result of me telling The Chancers to 'stick it'. After over 40 years service I found Nats HR's treatment to be insulting. They even had the temerity to tell me that if I accepted their pitiful offer I may not continue part-time with my then employer. I told delusional Nats that it would be they who would be part-time as far as I was concerned! They wouldn't accept that. Their loss. They had no idea back then (2003-07) how to treat staff and ex-staff reasonably. I do hope that has improved, because it certainly wouldn't have been difficult to improve!
Hopefully that is as a result of me telling The Chancers to 'stick it'. After over 40 years service I found Nats HR's treatment to be insulting. They even had the temerity to tell me that if I accepted their pitiful offer I may not continue part-time with my then employer. I told delusional Nats that it would be they who would be part-time as far as I was concerned! They wouldn't accept that. Their loss. They had no idea back then (2003-07) how to treat staff and ex-staff reasonably. I do hope that has improved, because it certainly wouldn't have been difficult to improve!
This wasn't good enough for HR who insisted I do shifts and weekends totalling 20 hours gross, so I declined the offer and went.
And even after all these years, Farnborough are still apparently short of staff.
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Hmmmm, 56k in SE England / London. I thought career progression meant a pay RISE!
The large SE airports' motto should be 'Come and work a lot bloody harder, for less!'.
I'm being facetious but is it really too much to ask for experienced people to be paid what they are on at the moment when they move to these bigger units, rather than start below the pay scale of ATCOs? New ATCOs fair enough, but don't lump everyone into the same bracket. (I could have got this completely wrong and there is a lower bracket for ab-initios!). KK are doing it too.
If you move from one Regional to another they match your pay or increase it. I'm sure they know what they're doing and this isn't a race to the bottom of Ts&Cs all round....
Im not doubting 56k is great for any 'real world' job. But Heathrow!?
The large SE airports' motto should be 'Come and work a lot bloody harder, for less!'.
I'm being facetious but is it really too much to ask for experienced people to be paid what they are on at the moment when they move to these bigger units, rather than start below the pay scale of ATCOs? New ATCOs fair enough, but don't lump everyone into the same bracket. (I could have got this completely wrong and there is a lower bracket for ab-initios!). KK are doing it too.
If you move from one Regional to another they match your pay or increase it. I'm sure they know what they're doing and this isn't a race to the bottom of Ts&Cs all round....
Im not doubting 56k is great for any 'real world' job. But Heathrow!?
Come on, you gotta be kidding! (I hope it's a joke or something)
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And that is gros, before tax and pension deductions. As is the £56k.
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I would be loathe to select possible trainees especially as I would 'weed out' any graduates right at the beginning
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I would be loathe to select possible trainees especially as I would 'weed out' any graduates right at the beginning
Wow. Just wow. 68 years old and still so narrow-minded...
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I would be loathe to select possible trainees especially as I would 'weed out' any graduates right at the beginning
Wow. Just wow. 68 years old and still so narrow-minded...
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What an utter lack of respect for the number of successful and time-served ATCOs who also happened to have spent 3+ years working to get a degree. I always wanted to work in aviation - but I was canny enough to know that only around 3% make it all the way through ATCO selection to a job at the end.
With over 25 years of holding a "yellow book" (and loving it all, BTW), I might not be using my degree...but I sure as hell resent hearing that it would have been enough to have me "weeded out"
Suffice to say that in my 34 years of experience as an ATCO, those trainees with degrees have been in my experience the most difficult and take the longest time to train.
I have no idea why. They eventually 'make the grade' but it is a long uphill struggle compared to those who entered the profession without degrees.
I have no idea why. They eventually 'make the grade' but it is a long uphill struggle compared to those who entered the profession without degrees.
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Suffice to say that in my 34 years of experience as an ATCO, those trainees with degrees have been in my experience the most difficult and take the longest time to train.
I have no idea why. They eventually 'make the grade' but it is a long uphill struggle compared to those who entered the profession without degrees.
I have no idea why. They eventually 'make the grade' but it is a long uphill struggle compared to those who entered the profession without degrees.
