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Plenty still here though. I arrived in 2003. About half a dozen or so still in Toronto ACC.
The current recruitment is for Toronto Tower only. The Experienced Controller Program will not be resurrected.
The current recruitment is for Toronto Tower only. The Experienced Controller Program will not be resurrected.
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I hear from everyone in air traffic I talk to (UK) that almost all units are short staffed, en route and tower. Where will all the replacements come from? Is the Nats college, or other atc colleges, churning out lots of trainees? Or is there some technology around the corner that will allow a big reduction in staffing levels? If not, then why aren't the airports more worried about this?
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Controllers are expensive. Why would you want any more than what's absolutely necessary? It's more financially beneficial to cover any shortfall with AAVAs and deal with the odd traffic regulation.
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Controllers are expensive. Why would you want any more than what's absolutely necessary? It's more financially beneficial to cover any shortfall with AAVAs and deal with the odd traffic regulation.
and then the odd traffic regulation becomes shutting London approaches on an unprecedented basis. But hey, if that's what you guys call efficiency who are we to judge! 
At smaller units, controllers are already rostered to work up to the SRATCOH maximum so AAVAs simply aren't possible without exceeding SRATCOH hours.
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If 7500 is not already in a management position then he is well on the way. From the year dot I have not worked at a unit where there was not always a last minute scrabbling around for new staff when somebody in management woke up to the fact that Joe Bloggs was retiring at the end of the month or somebody had gone long term sick. Nobody seems to have worked out that even if you manage to hire an experienced controller it's going to be at LEAST 6 months before they are going to fill the position. I don't why I am surprised, the whole country is run by a complete bunch of amateurs
If 7500 is not already in a management position then he is well on the way. From the year dot I have not worked at a unit where there was not always a last minute scrabbling around for new staff when somebody in management woke up to the fact that Joe Bloggs was retiring at the end of the month or somebody had gone long term sick. Nobody seems to have worked out that even if you manage to hire an experienced controller it's going to be at LEAST 6 months before they are going to fill the position. I don't why I am surprised, the whole country is run by a complete bunch of amateurs
(You all thought I was joking when I said it would take 3 controllers to replace me didn't you)
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@chevron,
How than you explain that airport still works? ( not to correlate date where we will see that traffic increased in last 8 years since you retired)
And it will exactly explain how it works worldwide.
And what is more important traffic is more safe than 8 years ago ( otherwise there wouldn't have been increase)
Thing, that affraids me, is that even lost of lives is not enough to change. To quote friend of mine " System will not allow attacks on itself"
How than you explain that airport still works? ( not to correlate date where we will see that traffic increased in last 8 years since you retired)
And it will exactly explain how it works worldwide.
And what is more important traffic is more safe than 8 years ago ( otherwise there wouldn't have been increase)
Thing, that affraids me, is that even lost of lives is not enough to change. To quote friend of mine " System will not allow attacks on itself"
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I recently went to a local motor sport event and there was 5 other fellow NATS/Aberdeen retirees there including an ex GM.Never seen such a happy bunch.
NATS and the Unions over the last 20 plus years have stripped away at staff numbers,Pension changing to DC,Increased BS generally,and pay regrading in the downwards direction at the lower band units.Also plugging the shortfall with AVAAs which is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.
Good luck NATS in recruiting the next generation of skilled controllers that have propped up the fading empire.
NATS and the Unions over the last 20 plus years have stripped away at staff numbers,Pension changing to DC,Increased BS generally,and pay regrading in the downwards direction at the lower band units.Also plugging the shortfall with AVAAs which is a sticking plaster on a gunshot wound.
Good luck NATS in recruiting the next generation of skilled controllers that have propped up the fading empire.
@chevron,
How than you explain that airport still works? ( not to correlate date where we will see that traffic increased in last 8 years since you retired)
And it will exactly explain how it works worldwide.
And what is more important traffic is more safe than 8 years ago ( otherwise there wouldn't have been increase)
Thing, that affraids me, is that even lost of lives is not enough to change. To quote friend of mine " System will not allow attacks on itself"
How than you explain that airport still works? ( not to correlate date where we will see that traffic increased in last 8 years since you retired)
And it will exactly explain how it works worldwide.
And what is more important traffic is more safe than 8 years ago ( otherwise there wouldn't have been increase)
Thing, that affraids me, is that even lost of lives is not enough to change. To quote friend of mine " System will not allow attacks on itself"
And don't forget they only have Class G airspace; the only 'protection' is a unique to the UK 'aerodrome traffic zone' of 2.5 nm radius up to 2000ft aal and all vectoring is done outside this.
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Vectoring in Class G
Chevvron,
NPA 2016-09 'Requirements for Air Traffic Services' may force a change regarding Commercial Air Transport and vectoring in Class G...... The UK will need an altMoc........
NPA 2016-09 'Requirements for Air Traffic Services' may force a change regarding Commercial Air Transport and vectoring in Class G...... The UK will need an altMoc........
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