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Old 25th Jan 2018, 04:22
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Not sure which unit you were referring to but Liverpool is Aerodrome and approach, with both Liverpool and Doncaster approach on site.

Manchester is aerodrome and approach radar, with Manchester radar on site. The area sectors moved out but Manchester radar is still done locally.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Crazy Voyager View Post
Not sure which unit you were referring to but Liverpool is Aerodrome and approach, with both Liverpool and Doncaster approach on site.

Manchester is aerodrome and approach radar, with Manchester radar on site. The area sectors moved out but Manchester radar is still done locally.
Sorry I assumed Man Approach had gone to Scotland.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 12:01
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The starting sentence of many an incident "I assumed"!!!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 13:34
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chevvron, as Crazy says, Manch' approach is still at EGCC as far as I'm aware. Unless of course there are new plans afoot to re-locate it to Ayrshire?
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Glamdring View Post
I've heard that Dublin are looking for experienced controllers. Anybody got more info?
https://flyinginireland.com/2018/01/...c-controllers/
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 11:11
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obwan,

When the construction of nPC was underway, someone in the ATC Ops section at EGCC, (allegedly a superb guy who is sadly no longer with us), managed to get hold of the proposed floor-plan/sector lay-out of the new EGPX ops-room.
Said individual, altered the document slightly, adding consoles for EGCC's Approach North, Approach South and Final Director positions into the 'West 2 LAG', the part of the room where MACC would re-locate to.
Several copies of this document were left in the crew-room and placed on notice-boards........Much to the horror of some of the TWR/APC ATCOs!

On a different note, I went to a presentation by a senior member of MAG Ops recently, (the folks who own 'CC, 'SS and 'NX), and he told the audience that the group are very interested in remote/digital tower technology.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 13:57
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Cripes View Post
6 (presumably) valid is a tad different to 6 ab initios leaving.
They weren’t valid. They’d only just finished their Cadet course & quit before even starting at LATCC. We were very much looking forward to them starting - & swelling the ranks of the ATCO4s.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 20:56
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
They weren’t valid. They’d only just finished their Cadet course & quit before even starting at LATCC. We were very much looking forward to them starting - & swelling the ranks of the ATCO4s.
I think that was the point if the Liverpool rumour is true...
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 21:29
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Thanks for clarifying that. I didn’t quite read it that way.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 04:56
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
They weren’t valid. They’d only just finished their Cadet course & quit before even starting at LATCC. We were very much looking forward to them starting - & swelling the ranks of the ATCO4s.
They would all have had validations from somewhere in their final year otherwise they wouldn't have graduated, but I'm not sure where. Our course manager, Mike Hunt (try saying that quickly) told us about it before we graduated but funnily enough some of my course already knew.
We were on the BEA Course (How to fly a Trident in 2 weeks) at Viking House, Southall and some of the guys had gone to the local pub where they'd met 2 of the ex 21 Course guys who were attending IAL's HQ which was nearby. I didn't; there were some stewardesses in the Viking House bar that evening so some of us stayed there!
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 08:26
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These individuals obtained a certain notoriety by rejecting the offer of working at LATCC. Certainly, they caused consternation amongst the ATCO 4s who, because of their absence, had to work pretty much every night duty (as I remember) because there were so few of them ! Later on, it was my pleasure to work with one of them for 27 years (non NATS).
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I think I worked with 2 of them......Also Non NATS
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 09:06
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Without wishing to appear too picky the cadets at the time obtained what was called a unit endorsement which was a validation in all but name. It allowed the trainee to work under distant supervision of an instructor which meant he/she didn't have to be plugged in. The course instructor who you refer to was Mr F.R Hunt and being a young innocent lad from the country never understood why he was called Mike, who I may add. was a very pleasant fellow. I also did the"fly a trident in 2 weeks " course and in light of the catastrophe which happened at Staines in 1972 remember how easy it was to retract the droop lever instead of the flaps.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 09:22
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P.S. for knockayne do you mean that the ATCOs in question didn't qualify for sector eights and had to work rostered hours; and being completely hypocritical, copped for quite a few sector eights myself
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 09:27
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Originally Posted by obwan View Post
Without wishing to appear too picky the cadets at the time obtained what was called a unit endorsement which was a validation in all but name. It allowed the trainee to work under distant supervision of an instructor which meant he/she didn't have to be plugged in. The course instructor who you refer to was Mr F.R Hunt and being a young innocent lad from the country never understood why he was called Mike, who I may add. was a very pleasant fellow. I also did the"fly a trident in 2 weeks " course and in light of the catastrophe which happened at Staines in 1972 remember how easy it was to retract the droop lever instead of the flaps.
Mike Hunt was course manager for odd numbered courses not an instructor.
In fact I remember now he was replaced by Chas Davies just before our graduation (Sep '74). Wasn't much for him to do as we'd already got our final postings.
As for 'distant supervision', I achieved UE at Glasgow (Twr/GMC) where my 'long lead' mentor was usually the supervisor in approach downstairs and at Lindholme where he normally stayed in the rest room (or somewhere else where he could light up). I came in one sunday morning and the Unit Training Officer was plugged in having done the night duty. He handed over to me and left, making no attempt to stay and supervise until someone else arrived! On the 'third' console we did at Lindholme (NJRSA latterly called 'Pennine Radar' operating on what is now Class G airspace upt to FL245) my mentor did the first session with me soon after I arrived and thereafter stayed in the rest room every time it was our 'turn' to do it.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 11:49
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Originally Posted by obwan View Post
P.S. for knockayne do you mean that the ATCOs in question didn't qualify for sector eights and had to work rostered hours; and being completely hypocritical, copped for quite a few sector eights myself
Yes. Because there were so few ATCO 4s (certainly on B Watch), there were no Sector 8s (or very few of them). I was an ATCA 2 at the time & felt very sorry for them, working a night duty every 4 day cycle; whilst the rest of us enjoyed Sector 8s regularly ! But, as you say, they were only working their rostered hours. I remember the great anticipation that the ATCO 4s had for the , anticipated, arrival of a whole Cadet Course of new 4s - only for their hopes to be dashed when they resigned !
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 14:53
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About 10 years ago, we were having a coffee at our regular place in Fleurance ( France ) when some acquaintances joined us - they had a friend in tow and it turned out he was also an ex-ATCO. He said he'd been on 21, 'Ah the famous resigning course' said I. 'Yes, I was one of the 6', he replied. He'd got a job at Lulsgate and IIRC stayed there forever. I can't recall his name.

I started my Direct Entry/Class to Class course on 5th November 1973 and it was the time of 21's graduation.

An ex-21er, Ray Draper, was my replacement in Stornoway in Dec' 1982, and last year I bumped into Tony Merton-Jones in Waitrose in Abergavenny - we'd been on LATCC C Watch together before I went on my travels.

H&I was the LATCC 'escape tunnel' and I think 2 more ex21ers, Geoff Greavey and John Brough were in H&I at the same time as me.

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Old 27th Jan 2018, 18:58
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This update on vacancies seems to be drifting....
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