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Why do I not hear "Heavy" in Europe?

Old 2nd Oct 2015, 11:16
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Why do I not hear "Heavy" in Europe?

I am based in the USA, working for a major US carrier, and we are required to use the term "Heavy" with our call signs when first contacting ground, tower and approach. Yet when I fly into Europe, "Heavy" seems to not be used at all on these facility frequencies. Why is that? Also, why do I have to report my aircraft type when first contacting Heathrow Director? Does the controller not have this information on the "Strip"?

Curious more than anything, but as I am a line trainer, I would like to have this info as part of my briefings to the pilot newbies....

Thanks - OH
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Old 2nd Oct 2015, 11:25
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A recentish thread all about reporting your aircraft type on first contact can be found here

I'll let an approach controller tackle the "heavy" bit, certainly not required or useful to the Area guys.
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Old 2nd Oct 2015, 17:59
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I must confess I always roll my eyes when someone checks in with me (area) and ends the callsign with "super".
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Old 2nd Oct 2015, 18:18
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The requirement in the UK is detailed in CAP413 -

"1.9.6 Aircraft in the heavy wake turbulence category shall include the word ‘HEAVY’
immediately after the aircraft callsign in the initial call to each ATSU. The purpose of
this call is to confirm the aircraft type and/or wake turbulence category is the same as
that stated on the flight progress strip. For the A380 the word "SUPER" is to be
included after the callsign on initial contact."

although I agree it doesn't get used as much in Europe as the US - maybe it should be?
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Old 2nd Oct 2015, 21:16
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As for your question regarding confirmation of aircraft type when checking in with ATC in Europe, as far as I know this is to verify 100% what type is being operated on today's service to xyz as this could change at short notice such as type change or flight being sub charted by someone else using different equipment with original type left on strip, and so ATC can plan accordingly.
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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 03:02
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For high level area controllers the wake vortex category is irrelevant,you'll get 5 miles and 1000 ft separation. Although you should state heavy or super on first contact,I believe this is also an ICAO recommended practice. The aircraft type on approach is because it has happened many times in the past where a short notice aircraft change has not been put into an amended flight plan. The plan says A320 but a B767 is being used. Not an issue for you,potentially very much an issue for the crew right behind you on the approach.
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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 10:47
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"Super" on first contact in a tower unit can be very beneficial. The reduced availability of runway exits and Code F taxiways is the key consideration. Whilst three airlines operate exclusively A388s on routes to the airport where I work the other airlines who use A388s regularly also have a number of other aircraft types. The "Super" prefix can be handy.
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 04:31
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The "super" on first contact, whilst worthy of the eye rolling and cringing is actually a company requirement and I believe ICAO recommendation. It is mandatory with every call in the US, Canada and several other countries.
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 08:19
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I didn't get where I am today without every A380 joining the frequency reminding me of Reggie Perrin:

"Great!"
"Super!"
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 13:29
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Let us know where you work and we will try it with the accent!
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 13:10
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rolaaand really?

Are you telling me type doesn't matter?

You use 5 miles separation with a Citation behind an A388?
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 08:23
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Rule3, in Area control, yes. There are no other separation rules other than 5 miles or 1000 feet (or 2000/4000 feet when appropriate, but not for wake).
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 12:03
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When the Citation is a light category aircraft (CJ1, CJ2) you need at least 6nm behind a heavy.

And it doesn't look good when a pilot queries about the prededing acft type and you have to say "dunno"...
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 18:20
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There is a difference between wake vortex separations in area control between the UK and ICAO. In the UK only 5nm and 1000 feet is applicable, in ICAO there are bigger separations regarding super and heavy classifications.
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 21:54
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1985 - can you provide a link to the ICAO document that says that? I've searched reasonably hard and cannot find anything mentioning any enroute wake separations.
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 02:25
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Rule 3. Yes really. From a UK perspective, you'll get 5nm separation regardless of vortex category in the enroute environment. Not on final approach though!
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 02:37
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Although I must stress,5nm is a minimum, not a target to achieve. For traffic in the cruise and speed locked I wouldn't be using the bare minimum as this means an instant loss of separation if things change eg the one in front slows due to turbulence. 8-10nm is a more realistic in trail scenario. Even so, wake vortex encounters in the cruise seem rare,or at least rarely reported, and can be easily solved with a lateral offset.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 13:18
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This is all new to me...as an approach controller who follows ICAO wake turbulence separation I have had no reports of wake turbulence on final in 10 years. The only reports I have had are aircraft that are in trail at more or less 10000' and near minimums. So in the UK wake turbulence separation does not exist?
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 17:04
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I've had wake turbulence reported a few times, but it was always traffic 1000ft above and a few miles ahead. Easily fixed with an offset.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 21:06
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I had a "severe" (quoting the pilot) wake turbulence encounter reported to me en-route once involving an A319 and an A320! One aircraft was climbing underneath the other and they were on crossing tracks.
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