Holding into Gatwick
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GA airfields can rack up huge numbers - I worked at Kidlington in 1971 and we would rack up 1100-1200 movements in a day. Difference was that they were clockwork mice and not A380s!
I agree with comments on management - the top people, that is, not the watch managers. I have zero respect for any "manager" who has not worn an electric hat.
I agree with comments on management - the top people, that is, not the watch managers. I have zero respect for any "manager" who has not worn an electric hat.
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Agree with what you say. I was principally on about the non-ATC, non-aviation draftees who, as you say, seem to drift from one job, which they know nothing about, to another, which they know nothing about - cocking everything up everywhere that they go in the process.
I have no particular gripe with any of the ATC management at the different places I worked.
Agree with what you say. I was principally on about the non-ATC, non-aviation draftees who, as you say, seem to drift from one job, which they know nothing about, to another, which they know nothing about - cocking everything up everywhere that they go in the process.
I have no particular gripe with any of the ATC management at the different places I worked.
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kcockayne,
With you 100%. The watch/unit management everywhere I worked were superb, it's when you go above that level that it all turns to jelly. It seemed to start in the late 1980s I think. And chevvron, yes, very much.
With you 100%. The watch/unit management everywhere I worked were superb, it's when you go above that level that it all turns to jelly. It seemed to start in the late 1980s I think. And chevvron, yes, very much.
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Er haven't they recently changed ANSP at Gatwick Airport (tower only, approach still at Terminal Control Swanwick).
I know the NATS controllers were 'ace'; I can remember arriving on a fam flight (when they were still permitted before 9/11), when we were at 4nm, they still managed to get 2 departures away ahead of us without giving us late landing clearance.
I know the NATS controllers were 'ace'; I can remember arriving on a fam flight (when they were still permitted before 9/11), when we were at 4nm, they still managed to get 2 departures away ahead of us without giving us late landing clearance.
The ANSP has changed but the actual transition date isn't till next year.
Regardless, all ATCOs are trained to the same standard, regardless of their employer. Indeed, many of the ex NATS KK ATCOs will probably stay on at KK so just cause they begin working for a new ANSP their standards will drop?
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1Charlie, it depends on the wind. With little or no wind 6 miles is about right, as the wind increases we'll decrease this. 5 miles is used regularly with a decent headwind. Sometimes even down to 4.5 miles with a strong enough wind.
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Just to clarify a point made earlier by the brotherhood, 8 mile gaps and larger is not just for the first rotation. Yesterday afternoon we regularly provided 8 mile gaps, a fair few 10 milers also. Plus we had the opportunity for 5 miles and 3 miles alternates, plus the 6 and 8 option also!!!
A real mixed bag as a single runway airport traffic dictates.
ADNID SID was brilliant gave the tower a minute split on Sam and ADNIDS(previously BOGNAS), TMA loved it as it facilitated a an earlier climb.Only complainer was a resident who loved in WARNHAM and stirred a lot of trouble, unfortunately the airport owners were not up for the fight and basically caved in, they did want bad press before they were awarded a second runway.
EGG ON FACES I PRESUME.
New ANSP, a few GAtwick controllers staying with NATS, a few joining DFS, 6 new DFS trainess started this month. Interesting times ahead.
A real mixed bag as a single runway airport traffic dictates.
ADNID SID was brilliant gave the tower a minute split on Sam and ADNIDS(previously BOGNAS), TMA loved it as it facilitated a an earlier climb.Only complainer was a resident who loved in WARNHAM and stirred a lot of trouble, unfortunately the airport owners were not up for the fight and basically caved in, they did want bad press before they were awarded a second runway.
EGG ON FACES I PRESUME.
New ANSP, a few GAtwick controllers staying with NATS, a few joining DFS, 6 new DFS trainess started this month. Interesting times ahead.
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Wow<><>all debate and those contributing appear to have been retired for at least 5 years.Your comments are welcome and you are respected,but random phrases about no respect for any non-atco managers speaks volumes of your individual lack of knowledge of atc today.
Keep up the comedy posts ! !
Keep up the comedy posts ! !
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As there are now going to be two different commercial enterprises involved how will departures and arrivals be prioritized? I would hope that landing traffic would have priority as they have less of a margin to play with, but equally departures need to know so that we can load an appropriate taxi fuel. If I were a LGW shareholder I would be spending money on more remote holds as the demand for them is only going to go up as airlines try to preserve their OTP.
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Tubby, with the airport running at capacity for much of the day we have to balance inbounds and outbound as far as possible. There may be periods when inbounds have priority (and times when outbounds do) but if inbounds always had priority the whole place would grind to a halt because there'd be nowhere to park them....and yes, it's happened. As for remote holds, they're quite frankly often a pain in the arse for ATC. The extra rt workload they generate is a problem and more often than not the aircraft moving to remote during peak times is just delaying other traffic during the move. And withe airport trying to increase the movement rates you can expect more of the same to come....
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Slight thread creep ... many thanks to LGW director for efforts on Friday 18th during Cb activity in the early evening .
I was one of the inbound EZY and we enjoyed great collaboration and professionalism from our Director controllers.
Many thanks guys .
I was one of the inbound EZY and we enjoyed great collaboration and professionalism from our Director controllers.
Many thanks guys .
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Just to clarify a point made earlier by the brotherhood, 8 mile gaps and larger is not just for the first rotation. Yesterday afternoon we regularly provided 8 mile gaps, a fair few 10 milers also. Plus we had the opportunity for 5 miles and 3 miles alternates, plus the 6 and 8 option also!!!
A real mixed bag as a single runway airport traffic dictates.
ADNID SID was brilliant gave the tower a minute split on Sam and ADNIDS(previously BOGNAS), TMA loved it as it facilitated a an earlier climb.Only complainer was a resident who loved in WARNHAM and stirred a lot of trouble, unfortunately the airport owners were not up for the fight and basically caved in, they did want bad press before they were awarded a second runway.
EGG ON FACES I PRESUME.
New ANSP, a few GAtwick controllers staying with NATS, a few joining DFS, 6 new DFS trainess started this month. Interesting times ahead.
A real mixed bag as a single runway airport traffic dictates.
ADNID SID was brilliant gave the tower a minute split on Sam and ADNIDS(previously BOGNAS), TMA loved it as it facilitated a an earlier climb.Only complainer was a resident who loved in WARNHAM and stirred a lot of trouble, unfortunately the airport owners were not up for the fight and basically caved in, they did want bad press before they were awarded a second runway.
EGG ON FACES I PRESUME.
New ANSP, a few GAtwick controllers staying with NATS, a few joining DFS, 6 new DFS trainess started this month. Interesting times ahead.
I know that its nor permissible under existing rules, but what would be the effect of operating the existing two runways as close parallels similar to Seattle when it had two runways or half an Atlanta (when it had four) or LAX?
I suspect that the declared hourly capacity would be increased and delays would be as great.
I suspect that the declared hourly capacity would be increased and delays would be as great.
what would be the effect of operating the existing two runways as close parallels similar to Seattle
Gatwick already has more passengers than Seattle in an airport half the size. I think they're doing alright with what they have.
I know that its nor permissible under existing rules, but what would be the effect of operating the existing two runways as close parallels similar to Seattle when it had two runways or half an Atlanta (when it had four) or LAX?
I suspect that the declared hourly capacity would be increased and delays would be as great.
I suspect that the declared hourly capacity would be increased and delays would be as great.
