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Old 25th Jun 2015, 23:19
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There are significantly greater expectations put on us in terms of de-conflicting VFR and IFR traffic, fulfilling a duty of care towards all airspace users, as well as different restrictions put on how and when we can reduce separations between IFR and IFR.
Let's face it: The FAA pushes more traffic, more types of traffic, has less incidents per flight hour and at less cost per flight hour. The environment is complex but flight safety and efficiency rankings are still at the top of the league.

I thought improving flight efficiency and the removal of gold plating and over-regulation was something that the UK CAA aspired to? Some of it is really within its control such as the manuals printed for ATCers. Others ain't.

For these reasons I still think one must still be able to draw comparisons with different major airports across the world. Use 'crude' metrics if you wanna use that word. Not doing so is like turning a blind eye to what the rest of the world is doing. An analogy is like saying why traffic lights in London roads are always out of sync causing traffic to move so slowly. But Washington synchronizes their traffic lights so they move more traffic! But ah, you can't just compare these traffic lights with Washington, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

So anyone who dares to draw any comparisons are told they shouldn't and the London continues to have its own traffic problems while refusing to draw any expertise from abroad.

Ain't ideal and about time the regulators are pushed.
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 04:20
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Can anyone tell us why SH650 has been allowed to return?
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 06:52
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Well at least the mods let him bring his petard back with him.
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 08:06
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The sad thing is that what started as a simple compliment for EGLL ATC has turned into the usual pointless anti CAS net war.

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Old 26th Jun 2015, 11:21
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There's a bloke on Flyer Forums with a similar viewpoint to SH650 and I'm wondering if it's the same person.
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 11:58
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What I witnessed last night for the 10 minutes we were at the holding point for 27L, having flown world-wide, LHR and London is the best ATC in the world as far as I'm concerned - fantastic job by the lady on the TWR frequency in 'interesting' circumstances!
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 11:22
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I'll be flying, VFR into LHR airspace this afternoon, and yesterday flew in IFR, I always enjoy the service and like all regulars you get to know the voices in your ears and which ones like a laugh and when. I was in the New York area last week and rate both sets of controllers very highly in very different, but equally busy airspace.

One question though, I've been to a couple of meetings at Swanwick, how the hell do you go there daily? I'd go mad after a couple of days (if not hours!)

SH650 really is rather strange, but the ignore button can be your friend.

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 06:56
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One question though, I've been to a couple of meetings at Swanwick, how the hell do you go there daily? I'd go mad after a couple of days (if not hours!)
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 19:49
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Yes. Lots and lots of coffee, and here's me in the break room with herbal tea trying to not give me a crash before the next break, it's a vicious circle Anyway back on topic and each man back to their own.
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 21:17
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Comment on two recent assertions from Soaringhigh650:

''We don't have any Class A airspace below 18,000ft.''

Correct : BOSH F16 vs PA28.

''London continues to have its own traffic problems while refusing to draw any expertise from abroad.''

Correct: We don't need any lessons, especially from the USA.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 22:00
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https://vimeo.com/132804154

Where was it you were planning on flying VFR at 7,000ft??
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 22:16
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Originally Posted by soaringhigh650
I am just trying to challenge anyone who think us 'clockwork mice' are dangerous or do nothing but interrupt airliners and therefore should be better kept out of airspace.
Those who really know the airspace are seldom a problem. Those who think they know the airspace...

http://flyontrack.co.uk/radar-replays/
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 09:51
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Anyway back on topic...........
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Old 28th Jul 2015, 09:42
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Fully agree,the controllers are working extremely professional and the are friendly to ,but it's common for UK ATC !!
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