Gatwick arrivals
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Gatwick arrivals
Why do the approach controllers for LGW seem intent on funnelling as many arrivals as they can over the towns of West Kent? It would be quite easy just to move the flow a few miles west rather than over 60000 people.
The UK AIP states that aircraft should fly a CDA but the details disappeared from the UKAIP years ago, and the commercial chart providers do not publsh this information ,hence a lot of operators do not bother.
The UK AIP states that aircraft should fly a CDA but the details disappeared from the UKAIP years ago, and the commercial chart providers do not publsh this information ,hence a lot of operators do not bother.
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I suggest you visit Swanwick and watch the Gatwick approach controllers, then watch TMA south, then you will have all the required information to answer your question.
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The arrivals still fly over the towns in the early hours when traffic is slack. I remember being taken downwind for a 18 mile final when I was the only arrival in the sky. When I questioned why ,I was told by the atco that this was just the way she did it! A waste of fuel and time in the middle of the night.
Your suggestion still doesn't explain why the CDA information has been purged.
Your suggestion still doesn't explain why the CDA information has been purged.
Last edited by tubby linton; 12th Apr 2015 at 22:51.
On the contrary, there are plenty of references to the requirement to perform a CDA in the EGKK AIP.
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I think tubby linton is referring to the detail on the mechanics of how to perform a CDA, rather than the requirement to do so.
These details have been gradually removed over the year as CDO has become more prevalent, perhaps based on the assumption that most pilots are now familiar?
These details have been gradually removed over the year as CDO has become more prevalent, perhaps based on the assumption that most pilots are now familiar?
Nothing wrong with the way the Gatwick Directors do things. They controlling some of the busiest airspace in the world.
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Always a pleasure checking in with the London Controllers & Gatwick (Director, Tower, Ground & Delivery) - couldn't ask for a more reliable & professional service.
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highflyer 40. When I first moved to this part of West Kent over twenty years ago you never saw an aircraft fly over the town, but over the years the arrival stream has been pushed further and further eastwards. It was also quite common to be offered a visual around the back of East Grinstead during quiet periods. This never happens now and from experience you still fly the full West Kent arrival in quiet periods.I certainly did not afford to buy my house cheaply because it was blighted by aircraft noise, because there wasn't any noise!!
I have talked to some of the chart providers and they do not include CDA information on their charts because it isn't explicitly described in the AIP and until it is they refuse to include it. I had an email discussion about it with somebody at Nats who was trying to shift the blame of the failure to republish the information onto the DfT.
For clarity the charts I have examined are Jeppesen ,Lido and Navtech
Until the information is republished, and the chart producers then react accordingly, we will continue to see emirates A380s and others flying along at 3000ft twenty miles out.
I have talked to some of the chart providers and they do not include CDA information on their charts because it isn't explicitly described in the AIP and until it is they refuse to include it. I had an email discussion about it with somebody at Nats who was trying to shift the blame of the failure to republish the information onto the DfT.
For clarity the charts I have examined are Jeppesen ,Lido and Navtech
Until the information is republished, and the chart producers then react accordingly, we will continue to see emirates A380s and others flying along at 3000ft twenty miles out.
Last edited by tubby linton; 13th Apr 2015 at 12:49. Reason: Added Navtech
I'd just like to add that a similar situation is happening now in Redhill. When I moved here in 1990 just about the only time aircraft from Gatwick were experienced was on the occasional Saturday. Now - especially in the evening and Sunday afternoons - we get aircraft fairly frequently. I'm not complaining, just saying. Having said that, the police helicopter makes a hell of a racket when it goes overhead late at night.
Gatwick's most recent quarterly report quotes 92.58% of arrivals as having achieved a CDA (very similar to Heathrow's stats, in fact), which is hard to reconcile with the proposition that "a lot of operators do not bother".
