NATS Lose Gatwick Contract (Split thread)
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Yep, and it is time For the Gatwick controllers to unite and negotiate themselves the best deal they can. If the planes aren't moving on the first day of the DFS take over then the proverbial hits the fan.
Stand firm boys and girls, kick prospect out, form your own union and demand mega bucks, they will pay, they have to.
Stop training new controllers, make yourselves essential. Also the closer to the take over, stop OJTI, UCE, and any other extras.
From now on when asked to do anything your first words have to be "how much"
Stand firm boys and girls, kick prospect out, form your own union and demand mega bucks, they will pay, they have to.
Stop training new controllers, make yourselves essential. Also the closer to the take over, stop OJTI, UCE, and any other extras.
From now on when asked to do anything your first words have to be "how much"
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Yep, and it is time For the Gatwick controllers to unite and negotiate themselves the best deal they can. If the planes aren't moving on the first day of the DFS take over then the proverbial hits the fan.
Stand firm boys and girls, kick prospect out, form your own union and demand mega bucks, they will pay, they have to.
Stop training new controllers, make yourselves essential. Also the closer to the take over, stop OJTI, UCE, and any other extras.
From now on when asked to do anything your first words have to be "how much"
Stand firm boys and girls, kick prospect out, form your own union and demand mega bucks, they will pay, they have to.
Stop training new controllers, make yourselves essential. Also the closer to the take over, stop OJTI, UCE, and any other extras.
From now on when asked to do anything your first words have to be "how much"
What's to stop Swanwick, Aberdeen, Heathrow or Wattisham doing the same? Or Ibiza, Valencia, Seville, Alicante?
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What's to stop Swanwick, Aberdeen, Heathrow or Wattisham doing the same? Or Ibiza, Valencia, Seville, Alicante?
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'Why 'kick Prospect out' when they seem to have been pretty effective at Birmingham?'
Where are you getting your info? Certainly not the feeling at the unit.
If I was at Gatwick I'd be worried.
Where are you getting your info? Certainly not the feeling at the unit.
If I was at Gatwick I'd be worried.
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The staff at Gatwick should certainly make it abundantly clear that unless their T&Cs including pensions are guaranteed for the length of the DFS contract then it will be an extremely rocky road.
Actions speak louder than words and they should start the negotiations with a bang and let the new management know they mean business.
Actions speak louder than words and they should start the negotiations with a bang and let the new management know they mean business.
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Reading this thread makes me dread ATC privatization. I never thought I'd be saying this, but I rather have the FAA as my employer than any private company.
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I always find it funny that in Europe politicans are saying that privatisation is great. It will save costs and make the market more efficent.
Another thing that is very popular is comparing the European ATC system to the US system. The US system is often listed as having higher productivity and a lower cost base (although I believe ATC delays are higher than in Europe).
However, the US ATC system is run by the FAA, a goverment agency. If the US system is so good, why was the European system privatised?
I think however there's a fundamental error above, I'm trying to apply logic to politicans
Another thing that is very popular is comparing the European ATC system to the US system. The US system is often listed as having higher productivity and a lower cost base (although I believe ATC delays are higher than in Europe).
However, the US ATC system is run by the FAA, a goverment agency. If the US system is so good, why was the European system privatised?
I think however there's a fundamental error above, I'm trying to apply logic to politicans
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As far as I am aware only the UK has privatised their air traffic control. The rest of European ATC is run by governments.
Consequently there are a stupid number of centres in Europe. Even in the UK we have two. I've lost count of how many the French have.
Consequently there are a stupid number of centres in Europe. Even in the UK we have two. I've lost count of how many the French have.
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The pre-privatisation National Air Traffic Services may have been good for the Air Traffic Controllers but the now privatised NATS has delivered reductions in costs to the airlines which in turn benefits Joe Public all without compromising safety.
I know it's trendy to knock the privatisation of Government bodies but no one at NATS is starving and the customers are getting a better deal.
I know it's trendy to knock the privatisation of Government bodies but no one at NATS is starving and the customers are getting a better deal.
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Mantovani, what is the real difference between a single ACC centre manned by 300 ATCOs, compared to two ACCs manned by 150 ATCOs each?
Yes, politicians are telling us that we should have as few "ATC centers" as Americans do, but they forget to mention that the job has to be done, tin pushed through no matter how we organise it.
Yes, politicians are telling us that we should have as few "ATC centers" as Americans do, but they forget to mention that the job has to be done, tin pushed through no matter how we organise it.
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The overheads: buildings maintenance, management, support staff, support services, means it costs more to run two centres than it does to run one.
Of course any ATC centre needs a backup in case of a catastrophic event but the Prestwick centre could not handle the Swanwick business and visa versa.
That may well change should NATS's management ever realise their dream of virtualisation but that is some years off yet and way off the original topic.
Of course any ATC centre needs a backup in case of a catastrophic event but the Prestwick centre could not handle the Swanwick business and visa versa.
That may well change should NATS's management ever realise their dream of virtualisation but that is some years off yet and way off the original topic.
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All those people involved in building maintenance, support services, etc...
So, you put them out of work........
The non-starving ATCO's left have to pay more tax to subsidise the 'dole-money' for the folks who are now unemployed.
How would you sort the salaries out for a single U.K. centre, bearing in mind that Swanwick and Prestwick ATCOs/ATSAs are are on different salary scales?...For doing the same job.
"Virtualisation". That's a new word added to my vocabulary. Today has not been wasted after all.
P.S.......What does it mean?
So, you put them out of work........
The non-starving ATCO's left have to pay more tax to subsidise the 'dole-money' for the folks who are now unemployed.
How would you sort the salaries out for a single U.K. centre, bearing in mind that Swanwick and Prestwick ATCOs/ATSAs are are on different salary scales?...For doing the same job.
"Virtualisation". That's a new word added to my vocabulary. Today has not been wasted after all.
P.S.......What does it mean?
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Virtualisation
By now everyone who works for NATS should have had a briefing on this new golden dawn.
It's the next big thing.
By now everyone who works for NATS should have had a briefing on this new golden dawn.
It's the next big thing.