Go-around at LHR this morning (14 Jul)?
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Go-around at LHR this morning (14 Jul)?
Anybody know anything about the aircraft that did a missed approach going in to 27R at Heathrow at about 0625L this morning?
It broke away from the approach and came south over Twickenham, still with the gear down, and climbed away to the south-east. Only got a brief glimpse but I'd guess a B767...?
Thanks.
It broke away from the approach and came south over Twickenham, still with the gear down, and climbed away to the south-east. Only got a brief glimpse but I'd guess a B767...?
Thanks.
For heavens' sake, ithaca, if you don't know anything about aircraft operations, please get off this site.
Don't create a drama out of a completely standard procedure and possibly attract an equally ill-informed press.
Wrt your comment, mhk77, might I suggest both engage brain before contributing to a professional site ?
Oh, and also before you feel you must react as well……..
Me too, Yahoo!®
What do we have to do ??
Don't create a drama out of a completely standard procedure and possibly attract an equally ill-informed press.
Wrt your comment, mhk77, might I suggest both engage brain before contributing to a professional site ?
Oh, and also before you feel you must react as well……..
Me too, Yahoo!®
What do we have to do ??
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For heavens' sake, ithaca, if you don't know anything about aircraft operations, please get off this site.
Don't create a drama out of a completely standard procedure and possibly attract an equally ill-informed press.
Wrt your comment, mhk77, might I suggest both engage brain before contributing to a professional site ?
Oh, and also before you feel you must react as well……..
Don't create a drama out of a completely standard procedure and possibly attract an equally ill-informed press.
Wrt your comment, mhk77, might I suggest both engage brain before contributing to a professional site ?
Oh, and also before you feel you must react as well……..
And why shouldn't a member of the public with a genuine interest in aviation ask questions of the professionals via this site?
The only person showing a lack of professionalism is you. I take pride in my job as an ATCO of over 12 years and when people have questions about our industry, whether here or in 'the real world', I'm happy to answer if I'm able to do so and it is appropriate to do so.
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mhk77. Point is that such posts appear with monotonous regularity so after a while they become tiresome. I spent over 35 years in ATC and was always glad to answer questions but there has to come a time when you think "Not again"!
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Why HD?
How are people supposed to know whether something comes up with regular monotony?
And if the reaction to someone asking a very straightforward question is, 'Not again', then hit the back button on the browser and move on to the next thread. No one forces anyone to reply to posts.
It's the small price we pay for a public forum.
How are people supposed to know whether something comes up with regular monotony?
And if the reaction to someone asking a very straightforward question is, 'Not again', then hit the back button on the browser and move on to the next thread. No one forces anyone to reply to posts.
It's the small price we pay for a public forum.
Maybe these questions show with monotonous regularity.....if that is the case (which I don't think it is) just ignore the post! Takes more effort to post a pointless and unhelpful reply!
Oh, dear, HD.
I think we may have been around too long and seen and heard too much
I feel I must bow to mhk77's long experience whether this is actually a professional forum or not.
Btw, we must have spoken many times during my STARs/DEPs from LHR.
Could even have been that we colluded during a couple of G/As that I may have done over my 50+ year career just because someone was a bit slow to clear.
I've also learned it's a different mindset these days so I'll just remember flying has become far more dangerous and check out……
I never trusted an AP anyway.
I think we may have been around too long and seen and heard too much
I feel I must bow to mhk77's long experience whether this is actually a professional forum or not.
Btw, we must have spoken many times during my STARs/DEPs from LHR.
Could even have been that we colluded during a couple of G/As that I may have done over my 50+ year career just because someone was a bit slow to clear.
I've also learned it's a different mindset these days so I'll just remember flying has become far more dangerous and check out……
I never trusted an AP anyway.
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Interesting spread of opinions here.
All ATCO's need to be very careful making comments which can easily be misquoted.
Best course is to say to yourself "not again" and just click on next thread.
All ATCO's need to be very careful making comments which can easily be misquoted.
Best course is to say to yourself "not again" and just click on next thread.
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The only reason I mentioned the number of years I've been an ATCO, sleeve wing, is because you implied in your initial post on this thread that I am not worthy of expressing an opinion on this a 'professional' forum.
Now, granted 12 years isn't 35years or 50+ years, but I do believe that has given me the right to express an opinion on this site. You don't have to agree with an opinion but that by the same token, nor do you need to respond in such a condescending or patronising manner.
I can only apologise if the subtlety of the point I was trying to make escaped you.
But as myself and a couple of others have suggested on this thread, if you don't want to be helpful or you think a question has been posted constantly, then just ignore it and move on.
I would bet that there is a sizable number of readers and posters on this forum who aren't 'professional' pilots or ATCOs. Maybe they're just amateur pilots with a PPL. Maybe they only play flight simulator games or just build model planes or whatever. But unless you want to create a PRIVATE forum solely for ATCOs or pilots, then try and be a little more patient and be glad that you can potentially be of help to someone who is showing an interest in a career and industry that you were or are lucky enough to be a part of and have been for over 50 years.
Now, granted 12 years isn't 35years or 50+ years, but I do believe that has given me the right to express an opinion on this site. You don't have to agree with an opinion but that by the same token, nor do you need to respond in such a condescending or patronising manner.
I can only apologise if the subtlety of the point I was trying to make escaped you.
But as myself and a couple of others have suggested on this thread, if you don't want to be helpful or you think a question has been posted constantly, then just ignore it and move on.
I would bet that there is a sizable number of readers and posters on this forum who aren't 'professional' pilots or ATCOs. Maybe they're just amateur pilots with a PPL. Maybe they only play flight simulator games or just build model planes or whatever. But unless you want to create a PRIVATE forum solely for ATCOs or pilots, then try and be a little more patient and be glad that you can potentially be of help to someone who is showing an interest in a career and industry that you were or are lucky enough to be a part of and have been for over 50 years.
itacha asked a reasonable question. It might be a bit tedious to go over the same points again & again, but to Ithaca it was a serious, yet innocent, question.
There is no need to get upset that this question has been asked, again. People outside of the profession have questions which they want to ask. We should take it in good grace & give them the appropriate answer, if we have it, without getting on our high horses.
We have the knowledge & experience, they don't, & are curious as to why things, which we find mundane, happen.
Next question please.
There is no need to get upset that this question has been asked, again. People outside of the profession have questions which they want to ask. We should take it in good grace & give them the appropriate answer, if we have it, without getting on our high horses.
We have the knowledge & experience, they don't, & are curious as to why things, which we find mundane, happen.
Next question please.
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Flight performance reports show that on average there are about 50 go-arounds a month at LHR (597 in 2013 and around that level in Jan and March 2014; but Feb 2014 was higher with 120).
If no-one gives an answer here, have a look on webtrak tomorrow morning when the data from 24 hours earlier will become available.
WebTrak: Heathrow
If no-one gives an answer here, have a look on webtrak tomorrow morning when the data from 24 hours earlier will become available.
WebTrak: Heathrow
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I've been controlling for 44 years 6 months and 3 days.....and I agree with your comments and point of view 100%. Politeness costs nothing...and if we can help someone on any particular point....why not?
Best regards.
...kcockayne......I think you're in the right groove too!
Best regards.
...kcockayne......I think you're in the right groove too!
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055 etc.. Then why on earth haven't you retired long ago? Life is very, very short so enjoy what you have left... and that surely doesn't involve work?
Sleeve Wing. Hope I didn't stitch you up too often. Happy landings..
Sleeve Wing. Hope I didn't stitch you up too often. Happy landings..
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Looking at webtrak. the original question seems to have been about Kenya Airways flight KQ102 from Nairobi.
It appears to me that it was landing during the routine TEAM period between 0600 and 0700 when landings occur on both runways and looking at the flight track I surmise that it should have lined up for 27L but actually slotted in between two planes going for 27R.
Over Barnes, it turned left (to try to find the 27L approach ?) but perhaps it was too late to join and crossed the glidepath and did a big loop starting to pick up height as it flew over the Star and Garter gate of Richmond Park (1900 ft) to Teddington Lock (2300) back over the Thames to Surbiton (3200) and Worcester Park (3900). The loop continued to join the normal arrival stream at Beckenham, Dulwich and it turned onto the 27L glidepath above Clapham and continued on to a normal landing over Richmond.
It appears to me that it was landing during the routine TEAM period between 0600 and 0700 when landings occur on both runways and looking at the flight track I surmise that it should have lined up for 27L but actually slotted in between two planes going for 27R.
Over Barnes, it turned left (to try to find the 27L approach ?) but perhaps it was too late to join and crossed the glidepath and did a big loop starting to pick up height as it flew over the Star and Garter gate of Richmond Park (1900 ft) to Teddington Lock (2300) back over the Thames to Surbiton (3200) and Worcester Park (3900). The loop continued to join the normal arrival stream at Beckenham, Dulwich and it turned onto the 27L glidepath above Clapham and continued on to a normal landing over Richmond.