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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 13:33
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Hi, I'm a Spaniard, 22 years old, who did a Basic and ADI course in Cwmbran 2 years ago with an ICAO 5, and I haven't been able to get any OJT. I've phoned, and applied for many positions, including ATCA positions, in the biggest companies and private towers in the UK but nothing.... I also tried NATS, but unfortunetely didn't have a good day on the cubes. (although I'm not bad at spatial reasoning).

My education qualification is Selectividad in Spain, equivalent to A-Levels in the UK with grades B in Maths and A in English.

I'm a very hard-working person, who always puts effort in everything I do and who tries his best, I'm quite ambitious. I also absorb and understand information quickly and I'm good at multi-tasking and in working under pressure.


I would like to know anyone that could help me get OJT or an ATCA position or any position related to ATC that suits me. Pay doesn't really matter at this stage, and I'm willing to relocate. Also any advise on options that could improve my employability are welcome. Please PM or answer me.


Thanks in advance.

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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 14:46
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https://baesystems.taleo.net/careers...2341&emid=3640

It says you need assistant experience but an ADI rating might help.
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 14:48
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Also, have you tried HIAL?
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Old 22nd Jul 2013, 21:16
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Could try this?

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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 14:02
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Hi there,

just to cover all possibilities and since your spanish won't be a problem, have you tried applying at FerroNats (mainland Spain) or Saerco (Canary islands)?
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 21:26
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https://baesystems.taleo.net/careers...2341&emid=3640

It says you need assistant experience but an ADI rating might help. Also, have you tried HIAL?
Thank you! I will try. And yes, I tried HIAL.

Thank You so much! I'll try.

Hi there,

just to cover all possibilities and since your spanish won't be a problem, have you tried applying at FerroNats (mainland Spain) or Saerco (Canary islands)?
Yes, Ferronats was my first option, but I didn't pass the selection process, I was out on the first part (personality interview, bad day :c) and didn't have the chance to prove my competency on a simulator. We were 200, and they've only selected around 50. Also Saerco did their own aptitude tests and course, and I realized late. I tried contacting them, and I was in touch with them on a monthly basis, but always got negative answers, and they asked me not to call them back in the mid-term as there weren't going to be any changes.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 07:12
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If you dont mind relocating to Sweden, the swedish atc college often look for simpilots. Entry Point North - Job Opportunities
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 07:47
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If you dont mind relocating to Sweden, the swedish atc college often look for simpilots. Entry Point North - Job Opportunities
I don't mind, but do I have to know Swedish?
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 08:30
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I've just applied.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 09:16
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 09:17
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So you failed the selection process twice... A bit of a warning to all of you thinking about self-sponsored route, I'm afraid.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 10:09
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I was told NATS had won again.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 10:29
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Hadn't heard but you're probably right.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 11:27
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I was told NATS had won again.
They did. I read a NATS press release last week, although I can't for the life of me find it now.
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Swedish language might not be a requirement, worth a shot.

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Old 25th Jul 2013, 14:41
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 06:51
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From what I hear from both Saerco and FerroNats the average performance of the new atcos has been well past dreadful. For both of these companies there have been cases where a student failed his/her 3 attempts at OJT and they just transfered that person to another tower to start there the whole process again.

Mind you, I heard about a month ago that FerroNats had reconsidered that practice and was not going to relocate a dude who failed 3 times at LEVC. There also seems to be a guy at LEZL who also failed the tird time but I'm not sure if they plan on reposition him.

In any case I know that both FerroNats and Saerco have started operations at several towers with less than the minimum amount of atcos approved by the spanish air safety agency (think of any serious, respected and independent institution... this one is the opposite ) claiming that the "excess" atcos where in order to allow for vacations and enough rotations but that they can start with fewer and hire more on the go. Call me a cynical (I do it every morning to the mirror as a sanity exercise ) but I don't expect that once the own staff of FerroNats/Saerco is responsible for training the next batch there will be a single drop-out, all will pass brilliantly.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you are desperate enough you could try again applying with both FerroNats and Saerco as they will need new hires, you already have their negative. Nevertheless I'd suggest you carefully read both their terms and conditions and the legal framework you will be bound to and then decide if you REALLY are that desperate.

Did you know that to quit the job you have to give them notice 7 months in advance? Or that you can be fined 4,5 MILLION for not attending an english exam or similar trifle things? As said, read carefully before your sign over your soul.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 08:53
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Why would you not attend an English exam if your employer instructs you to? Is a certain level of demonstrated proficiency in English not a regulatory requirement? Doesn't sound like a 'trifle' to me.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 09:58
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Is a certain level of demonstrated proficiency in English not a regulatory requirement
Yes

Why would you not attend an English exam if your employer instructs you to?
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Or that you can be fined 4,5 MILLION for not attending an english exam or similar trifle things?
I believe the point that Daermon ATC is making relates to a Spanish law which makes it illegal to refuse to "cooperate" in ATC.

The problem that has arise is that they law seems to be very vague on specifics.

Hence the comment comparing the requirement to be proficient in English to any minor issue which suddenly finds the full force of the law behind it.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 14:58
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Apologies for not being too clear on my previous post.

English proficiency is certainly a vital requirement for international aviation to work. However if for whatever reason I can't attend to a scheduled exam and instead would have to wait for the next one... say a week later and months before my current rating expired, I COULD be charged within the current legal framework.

Here is a link to the current law (spanish, sorry).

On all the towers that were privatized the controllers got letters informing them that they had to "voluntarily" request the OJTI rating or risk being charged with "obstructing provider change" as stated on that law.

As said before, the information is available to the general public, read it and decide if you really need that job so badly.
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