Turn Right 10 degrees
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All I think on the matter is that I really hope that "CRM" "Captain" and "I got into a bit of a pissing contest with a lady way to high on her horse on my flight today" aren't all true.
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And somehow they manage to safely and efficiently push the tin without a mindless slavish addiction to European radio pedantry......go figure
US= lowest airline accident rate than everywhere else by a significant margin
US= highest capacity ATC system than everywhere else in the world
And somehow they manage to safely and efficiently push the tin without a mindless slavish addiction to European radio pedantry......go figure
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"Turn right ten degrees" and "turn right ten degrees report new heading" require completely different responses so reporting the heading when not asked for it is neither correct nor required, It may be confusing as the controller will not be expecting it and may talk over it. Indeed, have heard bollockings handed out on busy London and German freqs for just that. After all, you wouldn't think of telling them the heading for "direct XXXXX" unless they ask for it. Would you???
Basic RT discipline, I'd have thought.
Basic RT discipline, I'd have thought.
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US= more airline traffic than anywhere else by a large margin.
US= lowest airline accident rate than everywhere else by a significant margin
US= highest capacity ATC system than everywhere else in the world
And somehow they manage to safely and efficiently push the tin without a mindless slavish addiction to European radio pedantry......go figure
US= lowest airline accident rate than everywhere else by a significant margin
US= highest capacity ATC system than everywhere else in the world
And somehow they manage to safely and efficiently push the tin without a mindless slavish addiction to European radio pedantry......go figure
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One knew this had to come at one point or the other.
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Originally Posted by Agaricus bisporus
"Turn right ten degrees" and "turn right ten degrees report new heading" require completely different responses so reporting the heading when not asked for it is neither correct nor required, It may be confusing as the controller will not be expecting it and may talk over it. Indeed, have heard bollockings handed out on busy London and German freqs for just that. After all, you wouldn't think of telling them the heading for "direct XXXXX" unless they ask for it. Would you???
Basic RT discipline, I'd have thought.
Basic RT discipline, I'd have thought.
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US= more airline traffic than anywhere else by a large margin.
US= lowest airline accident rate than everywhere else by a significant margin
US= highest capacity ATC system than everywhere else in the world
US= lowest airline accident rate than everywhere else by a significant margin
US= highest capacity ATC system than everywhere else in the world
I think #2 is wrong for starters.
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@nelson
As an active radar ATCO, to me it's not as lame as asking about possible residential law changes in the UAE
As an active radar ATCO, to me it's not as lame as asking about possible residential law changes in the UAE
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Since the original poster is in the US, here's the FAA guidance:
JO 7110.65
JO 7110.65
5-6-2. METHODS
a. Vector aircraft by specifying:
1. Direction of turn, if appropriate, and magnetic heading to be flown, or
PHRASEOLOGY-
TURN LEFT/RIGHT HEADING (degrees).
FLY HEADING (degrees).
FLY PRESENT HEADING.
DEPART (fix) HEADING (degrees).
2. The number of degrees, in group form, to turn and the direction of turn, or
PHRASEOLOGY-
TURN (number of degrees) DEGREES LEFT/RIGHT.
a. Vector aircraft by specifying:
1. Direction of turn, if appropriate, and magnetic heading to be flown, or
PHRASEOLOGY-
TURN LEFT/RIGHT HEADING (degrees).
FLY HEADING (degrees).
FLY PRESENT HEADING.
DEPART (fix) HEADING (degrees).
2. The number of degrees, in group form, to turn and the direction of turn, or
PHRASEOLOGY-
TURN (number of degrees) DEGREES LEFT/RIGHT.
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I have a problem when ATC gives me those kind of instructions ... it seems
dangerously vague to me. Is it even allowed? In the "ATC for dummies" class I
had to take in college, they always taught me that a vector has 3 numbers.
Turn right one - zero degrees ... sounds to me like a right turn to a
heading of 010.
So I got into a bit of a pissing contest with a lady
way to high on her horse on my flight today, what do you guys think on the
matter?
What she said differs only in that she would say "Turn right/left (number of degrees) degrees", as opposed to the phraseology specified above, "Turn (number of degrees) degrees right/left."
Further, she explained (without my having mentioned the term), that "group form" means the number of degrees (10) would be spoken as "ten". Headings would be spoken as the individual numbers, i.e. zero-one-zero.
Therefore, it would seem that the lady in question, if she gave a right turn of "one-zero degrees" was not using proper phraseology.
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