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Old 28th Nov 2011, 11:56
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Is this the first time LVNL is accepting non-dutch speakers.?
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Old 28th Nov 2011, 19:02
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Interesting.....!

I wonder how many (if any of course) they will steal from Eurocontrol.
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Didn't they borrow some British controllers in the 80s? I guess they must have learned a bit of Dutch while there. Or does this not count?
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Are there any shift working allowances (or something else) on top of these salaries?
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Old 28th Nov 2011, 21:03
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Of course shift allowances will apply
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Why would they be taking anybody away from Eurocontrol??? Eurocontrol pay is far better.
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Old 29th Nov 2011, 05:40
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Yep, they took nine for a three year period but those selected had to do an intensive six week course in Dutch. No problem with the civil controllers but the Mil would only coordinate in Dutch
 
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Depending on allowances and how much you can claim back from the Dutch Tax office on mortgage relief, the salaries are probably far closer than you think.

Plus you havent got the hassle of the company trying to take great chunks of your salary every year
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LVNL is recruiting experienced Air Traffic Controllers in the Netherlands.
The length of this (full time) training will depend on your previous experience and is mainly geared to further developing your personal skills.
You should not be older than 30 years
Funny.....
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Also with taxbreaks (Normal Dutch income-tax for amounts above €55,000 is 52%), the net. takehome from Eurocontrol is far better. Even as a Dutch national without the expat allowance you are better of at Muac.

This however is not the first time they are taking on expats, there are quite a few here. Only thing is, you will have to learn Dutch.
Luckily the Dutch language really isn't that hard to master as most Dutch people would like you to believe.

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Fair enough, Surferboy.

Problem is, every time you open your mouth, with a foreign accent, you get English straight back. Makes learning the language a real pain.

Fijne avond jonge
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Welcome in Holland, where everyone wants you to know that they speak english "Reely goed"

However on the workfloor after the first few months most of them will start talking dutch to you if you've mastered it good enough!

Ook een fijne avond!
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Old 29th Nov 2011, 19:22
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No more than 30 years of age
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought our European cousins were even more anal about Human Rights Regulations than we Brit's - age discrimination being one of them....
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This would be mere formality. They could've still disregard any CV with age above 30,just a lot more work to do.

What is retirement age for controllers in the Netherlands?
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Old 30th Nov 2011, 22:26
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Back in the 1960's there was a Welsh bloke in Schiphol Tower. His English was so hard to understand everybody asked him to speak Dutch.

What is retirement age for controllers in the Netherlands
Nominally 55 at Euro.

the Mil would only coordinate in Dutch
Something new?
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They want experienced controllers, yet the language in the ad seems written to appeal to a school leaver.
You like to take rapid decisions, but you’re definitely no gambler. You’re on top of things and act swiftly and confidently. You’re into aviation. Does this sound like you? Then maybe becoming an Air Traffic Controller at LVNL is your thing. Reach your peak and be all that you can be as an Air Traffic Controller.
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Nope, newjoiners have 58 as retirement age. And indeed, most of the ad is copied from the ad for ab-initios!
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Too bad about the age limit. At Brussels ACC or APP most new controllers are at least 30 before they finish OJT. All because (up till now) everyone went to a tower before becoming ACC or APP.
On the upside, almost everyone speaks dutch and has ADV, ADI, APS and ACS on their licence. (some even have APP and ACP)...
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Nope, newjoiners have 58 as retirement age.
Thank you.
What about pay? Those numbers mentioned in the ad probably are before tax? Not that much for a newcomer than after all taxes
Taking all this and age limit,probably won't be many candidates.
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The link doesn't seem to work, has the ad been removed?
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