Striking ATCOs: Governments Must Act!
Met GL for the first time in 26 years at a party in July.
'For interest', after 28 graduated he was an ASC ( wings ) at LATCC, resigned and went to JJ. After CAA lost Hurn contract in '79 to IAL,he moved there as a Twr/APP ATCO until IAL lost the contract in '86 ( IIRC ).
Been non-operational since.
'For interest', after 28 graduated he was an ASC ( wings ) at LATCC, resigned and went to JJ. After CAA lost Hurn contract in '79 to IAL,he moved there as a Twr/APP ATCO until IAL lost the contract in '86 ( IIRC ).
Been non-operational since.
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Don't be too hard on GL. he is only DG CANSO on paper , he writes and says what his masters tell him to , and there are some crazy hardliners in there believe me .But thre are aslo some good guys. If the "hardline CANSO " wins over, they will be find themselves side tracked and CANSO might implose.
GL is not a bad guy to have a drink with, quite the opposite. Some of his masters definitively are.
There is a curernt strong debate among IFATCA whether to continue or not working with them on some issues , like Safety/Just culture implementation or global standards for data link for instance, because of this last stance (almost a month old BTW) .
Supporting AENA , and recently the DFS during their industrial disputes does not bother me per se , it is their members after all, but going beyond the support to provoke Controllers and turn public opinion aginst controllers as they have done in Spain is not on, and will bite back.
If they continue on that path ,a reality check will fall at some point ,and they will be remembered that without staff they are nothing, just headless chickens. We have the operational knowledge, not them, and most importantly : we bring the money in , not them.
GL is not a bad guy to have a drink with, quite the opposite. Some of his masters definitively are.
There is a curernt strong debate among IFATCA whether to continue or not working with them on some issues , like Safety/Just culture implementation or global standards for data link for instance, because of this last stance (almost a month old BTW) .
Supporting AENA , and recently the DFS during their industrial disputes does not bother me per se , it is their members after all, but going beyond the support to provoke Controllers and turn public opinion aginst controllers as they have done in Spain is not on, and will bite back.
If they continue on that path ,a reality check will fall at some point ,and they will be remembered that without staff they are nothing, just headless chickens. We have the operational knowledge, not them, and most importantly : we bring the money in , not them.
Perhaps GL would like to turn his attention to some of the problems raised in the "Airfield departure times" thread relating to Spanish ATC, specifically as illustrated by one "Akhorahil" - see page 3.
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Sounds like a great excuse for a CANSO gig. Only issue would be the lication. Fiji, Tahiti, or somewhere else exotic ? 
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atceuc.org - Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination
click on the latest " communique " 31.08.2011.
Starts to get interesting....
click on the latest " communique " 31.08.2011.
Starts to get interesting....
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It seems he's made some friends lately...
His idea of removing controllers' rights to defend themselves is not a one-shot :
http://www.google.fr/url?q=http://ww...7P_H7lOCbzuEHA
Page 6 :
Isn't this against European work rules ?
I like the "wildcat" ! It shows the respect he gives us...
His idea of removing controllers' rights to defend themselves is not a one-shot :
http://www.google.fr/url?q=http://ww...7P_H7lOCbzuEHA
Page 6 :
o Laws that ensure consistent levels of service in airspace across Europe at all times
- Industrial Action should not be permitted to compromise monopoly ANSP service
- Industrial Action should not be permitted to compromise monopoly ANSP service
First amongst these tools is legislative support for ensuring that our services are not held to ransom by wildcat industrial actions.
Come what may.
Will we all be Spanish in a close future ?
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o Laws that ensure consistent levels of service in airspace across Europe at all times
- Industrial Action should not be permitted to compromise monopoly ANSP service
- Industrial Action should not be permitted to compromise monopoly ANSP service
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No Ron83, he's not smartest guy on planet...
If we create our own European atcos company, there will be no more industrial action... no need to be off sick... because we gonna rule the entire stuff... and guess who will be the smartest...
If we create our own European atcos company, there will be no more industrial action... no need to be off sick... because we gonna rule the entire stuff... and guess who will be the smartest...
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SAINTEX :
That is an interesring " vue de l' esprit " and certainly wishful thinking that beacause it will be your own company evrything will be such a paradise that there will be no need to do instrial actions anymore ...
If we create our own European atcos company, there will be no more industrial action...
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When childs rule...
That's right, Watcher.
Whoever is in charge, there will always be a management. Because we need coordination. They can't get rid of us, we can't do without a management.
The problem is that managers tend to slide towards the dark side of the force...
They sometimes need to be reminded what can be done and what can not. Hence the need for the possibility of industrial action (or threat of), when they can't manage negotiations. This is (kind of) a safety measure.
Only alternative would be to provide a downgraded service. Not because of industrial action : because of industrial misconception.
GL's argumentation seems to be based on the idea that ATC is "only" a service, that ATC must become and remain servile in front of our big masters : Aircraft Operators.
I wonder what they "produce" ? besides burnt fuel...
Whatever they "produce", we're here to help them do their job. And stop them if needed.
As parents would stop a child crossing a road in front of a car. Generally ends up in cries and tears, but there's a future...
Regulator/operator seperation was/is a nonsense.
Removing the regulation (police) power from ANSPs makes the childs (AOs) be the masters.
This will bite back someday.
World economic present situation springs to my mind, re lack of regulation and bite back...
Whoever is in charge, there will always be a management. Because we need coordination. They can't get rid of us, we can't do without a management.
The problem is that managers tend to slide towards the dark side of the force...
They sometimes need to be reminded what can be done and what can not. Hence the need for the possibility of industrial action (or threat of), when they can't manage negotiations. This is (kind of) a safety measure.
Only alternative would be to provide a downgraded service. Not because of industrial action : because of industrial misconception.
GL's argumentation seems to be based on the idea that ATC is "only" a service, that ATC must become and remain servile in front of our big masters : Aircraft Operators.
I wonder what they "produce" ? besides burnt fuel...
Whatever they "produce", we're here to help them do their job. And stop them if needed.
As parents would stop a child crossing a road in front of a car. Generally ends up in cries and tears, but there's a future...
Regulator/operator seperation was/is a nonsense.
Removing the regulation (police) power from ANSPs makes the childs (AOs) be the masters.
This will bite back someday.
World economic present situation springs to my mind, re lack of regulation and bite back...
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ATC watcher,
Our own European atcos company will have no need to do industrial action... like industrial action are done nowdays against our national ANSPs... this company is a total new concept for all of us ATC professionals... question of creating this company able to sell our ATC services to ANSPs/states/FABs/EU even more... leaving to them the responsability to maintain the necessary technical and administrative environment for our mission... the only actions which we would have to lead would be the ones to make sure of the smooth running of the material... may be not yet a '' paradise'', but a real big change speaking about European ATM... speaking about atco job...
A bit short but deliberate, try to think of it without keeping the mentality of former days... and we gonna speak again... if you want...
Our own European atcos company will have no need to do industrial action... like industrial action are done nowdays against our national ANSPs... this company is a total new concept for all of us ATC professionals... question of creating this company able to sell our ATC services to ANSPs/states/FABs/EU even more... leaving to them the responsability to maintain the necessary technical and administrative environment for our mission... the only actions which we would have to lead would be the ones to make sure of the smooth running of the material... may be not yet a '' paradise'', but a real big change speaking about European ATM... speaking about atco job...
A bit short but deliberate, try to think of it without keeping the mentality of former days... and we gonna speak again... if you want...
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Saintex2002,
Do you mean all atco's to resign from theirs ANSPs and join some "European ATCO recruiting bla,bla,bla"? And than this company will let out atco's back to ansps for appropriate pay?
which I think will become twice it is now. Smart idea
Do you mean all atco's to resign from theirs ANSPs and join some "European ATCO recruiting bla,bla,bla"? And than this company will let out atco's back to ansps for appropriate pay?
which I think will become twice it is now. Smart idea
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Ron83,
Not compulsory to resign... but compulsory to be part of this "European ATCO recruiting bla,bla,bla" of course... and as soon as the whole European atco collective is completed in it... time to begin to speak... with new real ways of thinking... and Ron83, you understood one of them...
Not compulsory to resign... but compulsory to be part of this "European ATCO recruiting bla,bla,bla" of course... and as soon as the whole European atco collective is completed in it... time to begin to speak... with new real ways of thinking... and Ron83, you understood one of them...
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Just read in the 'CANSO ATM Report & Directory 2011', that, "For CANSO, 2011 was a year of transition and growth". "A highly successful year for CANSO".
The other good news is that "2011 is a year of delivery", in which "CANSO will take an increasingly active role in coordinating the delivery of products and deliverables that will benefit the entire system".
Sounds like bullsh1t to me.
It's now September. Tick-tock, tick-tock....
The other good news is that "2011 is a year of delivery", in which "CANSO will take an increasingly active role in coordinating the delivery of products and deliverables that will benefit the entire system".
Sounds like bullsh1t to me.
It's now September. Tick-tock, tick-tock....
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I just had to come back to GL's speech in ATC Global Conference 2011...
He says he was a controller.
What kind of controller could say : "Come what may." when discussing job ?
He says he was a controller.
What kind of controller could say : "Come what may." when discussing job ?
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big fat ass ex atco working in organisation which encourages creativity in sense, that it looks like a lot is being developed, but in reality it is mainly pile of ****. (eurocontrol anybody?)...
that kind of atco.
that kind of atco.