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c'mon guys let's be honest. We all know that we have a red 'ctrail ON' button on the overhead panel that we have to push when instructed on a special military frequency so let's not try to hide it anymore. Clearly somebody has been talking too much so now the public is aware of it there's no more reason to cover it up. I find it more and more difficult to push the button now I have childeren so maybe by bringing it out we can stop it. If any journalist or ophrah winfrey wants to interview me about it, please contact me because this has to stop for the future of our childeren. Oh and BTW, I heard it's all the fault of Ryanair who started this just to make some extra money.....
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this is from 1953... and we are still alive? 
Rails and Jet Trails, Roseville, California | Ansel Easton Adams | Collection Database | Works of Art | The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York
...and the metropolitan is involved in it??
Rails and Jet Trails, Roseville, California | Ansel Easton Adams | Collection Database | Works of Art | The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York
...and the metropolitan is involved in it??
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<< I've tried sensible arguments, but you just can't through to loonies. >>
I know what you mean, Director - but in our time, it was dealt with by putting them all on the same watch, remember?
I know what you mean, Director - but in our time, it was dealt with by putting them all on the same watch, remember?
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Well I'm with dukof on this - I can see chemtrails in the whole sky from my window all day long ( well, the parts that aren't hidden by the bars).
We know it's over the entire planet, because we can see all the way to the edge of the world ( no pesky curvature to interfere with the view, y'see).
Elvis agrees with me, too, doncha? (he said 'Uh, Uh uh uh, yea, yea')
We know it's over the entire planet, because we can see all the way to the edge of the world ( no pesky curvature to interfere with the view, y'see).
Elvis agrees with me, too, doncha? (he said 'Uh, Uh uh uh, yea, yea')
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chemtrails?
A friend recently told me about the chemtrail conspiracy theory and I thought that what he said was bonkers. However, it did cause me to start observing the sky with new eyes and observing the extraordinary patterns created by the vapour trails and the way they spread across the sky.
Of course I have also looked at a lot of the material on the net, and seen the claims made that some sort of worldwide programme is going on for various dark purposes not conducive to our wellbeing, which does seem totally crackpot.
I am not a pilot or a weather expert and have no idea what is contained in these trails, but I am curious about them and the reason I sought out this site is that I would like to get some expert advice from pilots.
This is what I would like to ask (and I realise these are general questions which will have to be answered with a generalisation, by that's the nature of the situation in discussing, rather than observing this):
1) I regularly see an intricate crisscrossing of lines, arcs and parallel lines covering the sky. What is the explanation for this? What types of flights are they? (ie, it's quite clear they are not passenger airlines as these flights are clearly recognisable and follow set paths) Where are they going to and from and for what purpose?
The reason I ask this is that the flight paths look crazy and start at low altitude, some going almost vertical, some diagonal, and there also seems to be a relationship between the lines that form in the sky on a day when there is a lot of vapour, as if they are working in harmony, to a set pattern as a formerly blue sky becomes covered in white haze.
2)Why is it that this phenomena of a huge amount of lines and aircraft-generated clouds has only been seen in the last 15 or so years? Is there some kind of new technology used in planes now that explains this, or are people who don't recall seeing anything like this years ago mistaken?
3)I understand that possible explanations for some of these things are that they could be down to different climactic conditions, like temperature, wind speed and humidity etc.. but on a day when there have been a lot of trails, how is it that I have seen one plane leaving a big trail behind it and another flying at what seems a similar altitude, ie close to or below other persistent trails, leaving no trail at all?
4)A question on the subject of consistency and apparent relationship between flights: on most days there are very many of the sort of flights I have described, and from my observations, most of them leave trails that linger rather than quickly dissipating. How is it explained then, that there are periods when no such trails or flights are observable at all? For instance, before the royal wedding there was a whole week of natural blue skies, with the only clouds being of the natural fluffy variety?
I'm not saying it means there is, but logically it does seem to suggest there is some sort of orchestrated programme going on. For if the flights we see are just routine commercial or military flights, why would there be nothing at all for a whole week?
Soon after this, the flights were back in huge numbers again, and so was the milky haze over the sky.
Would greatly appreciate any insights on this. Thanks
Of course I have also looked at a lot of the material on the net, and seen the claims made that some sort of worldwide programme is going on for various dark purposes not conducive to our wellbeing, which does seem totally crackpot.
I am not a pilot or a weather expert and have no idea what is contained in these trails, but I am curious about them and the reason I sought out this site is that I would like to get some expert advice from pilots.
This is what I would like to ask (and I realise these are general questions which will have to be answered with a generalisation, by that's the nature of the situation in discussing, rather than observing this):
1) I regularly see an intricate crisscrossing of lines, arcs and parallel lines covering the sky. What is the explanation for this? What types of flights are they? (ie, it's quite clear they are not passenger airlines as these flights are clearly recognisable and follow set paths) Where are they going to and from and for what purpose?
The reason I ask this is that the flight paths look crazy and start at low altitude, some going almost vertical, some diagonal, and there also seems to be a relationship between the lines that form in the sky on a day when there is a lot of vapour, as if they are working in harmony, to a set pattern as a formerly blue sky becomes covered in white haze.
2)Why is it that this phenomena of a huge amount of lines and aircraft-generated clouds has only been seen in the last 15 or so years? Is there some kind of new technology used in planes now that explains this, or are people who don't recall seeing anything like this years ago mistaken?
3)I understand that possible explanations for some of these things are that they could be down to different climactic conditions, like temperature, wind speed and humidity etc.. but on a day when there have been a lot of trails, how is it that I have seen one plane leaving a big trail behind it and another flying at what seems a similar altitude, ie close to or below other persistent trails, leaving no trail at all?
4)A question on the subject of consistency and apparent relationship between flights: on most days there are very many of the sort of flights I have described, and from my observations, most of them leave trails that linger rather than quickly dissipating. How is it explained then, that there are periods when no such trails or flights are observable at all? For instance, before the royal wedding there was a whole week of natural blue skies, with the only clouds being of the natural fluffy variety?
I'm not saying it means there is, but logically it does seem to suggest there is some sort of orchestrated programme going on. For if the flights we see are just routine commercial or military flights, why would there be nothing at all for a whole week?
Soon after this, the flights were back in huge numbers again, and so was the milky haze over the sky.
Would greatly appreciate any insights on this. Thanks
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Bill.. I have been watching the skies avidly as an aircraft spotter since I was about 6 and I am now 66. I was an air traffic controller for 35 years, during which time I watched the skies with my eyes and with radar. For 31 of those years I worked in the busiest UK airspace. With that in mind I'd jujst say that I do not accept that "chemtrails" exist in UK airspace.
Contrails have been around as long as I can remember but they are not always visible. It all depends on the atmospheric conditions and the altitude of aircraft so there may be several days at a time when contrails will not appear, but the aircraft will still be there.. The various lines usually follow published air routes which may be seen on easily obtainable aeronautical charts. Remember that commercial and military aircraft are usually under radar control so they may be directed off the usual "straight-line routes" if necessary, thereby producing curved lines.
There is nothing at all unusual about what you have seen.
Contrails have been around as long as I can remember but they are not always visible. It all depends on the atmospheric conditions and the altitude of aircraft so there may be several days at a time when contrails will not appear, but the aircraft will still be there.. The various lines usually follow published air routes which may be seen on easily obtainable aeronautical charts. Remember that commercial and military aircraft are usually under radar control so they may be directed off the usual "straight-line routes" if necessary, thereby producing curved lines.
There is nothing at all unusual about what you have seen.
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Also it is nearly impossible to judge the altitude of a plane from the ground just by looking at it.
What you see as two planes at the same altitude could be separated by several thousand feet and thus experience very different humidty /temperature/wind conditions
What you see as two planes at the same altitude could be separated by several thousand feet and thus experience very different humidty /temperature/wind conditions
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So, how many bothered to research "geoengineering" since my last post? Right... If you want to understand any real truths about how the world ticks, you should start to use your OWN brain cells, instead of hiding in the comfort of mass delusion.
I note that not a single one of you commented on the actual content of my post, like:
"Geoengineering"
"Germany admitted chemtrail operations in 2007"
"Owning the Weather in 2025" (1996 report by USAF Center for Strategy & Technology)
Instead, the only thing you are able to do is to make jokes, and poor attempts to ridicule the discussion. Very mature.
Well, if you didn't want to comment that, maybe you like to comment this Guardian article?
Millions were in germ war tests | Politics | The Observer
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"The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country."
...Or maybe you don't like to comment that either? Then I guess you like to comment this one from BBC:
BBC NEWS | UK | England | 'Millions exposed' in 1960s experiments
or this one from Times Online:
US planes sprayed Wiltshire with Sarin - Times Online
Well, if you don't like to comment that either, then why don't you just enjoy a look at our beautiful contrails:
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
I note that not a single one of you commented on the actual content of my post, like:
"Geoengineering"
"Germany admitted chemtrail operations in 2007"
"Owning the Weather in 2025" (1996 report by USAF Center for Strategy & Technology)
Instead, the only thing you are able to do is to make jokes, and poor attempts to ridicule the discussion. Very mature.
Well, if you didn't want to comment that, maybe you like to comment this Guardian article?
Millions were in germ war tests | Politics | The Observer
QUOTE:
"The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country."
...Or maybe you don't like to comment that either? Then I guess you like to comment this one from BBC:
BBC NEWS | UK | England | 'Millions exposed' in 1960s experiments
or this one from Times Online:
US planes sprayed Wiltshire with Sarin - Times Online
Well, if you don't like to comment that either, then why don't you just enjoy a look at our beautiful contrails:
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
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See for example a news report from German RTL: Germany admitted chemtrail operations in 2007:
They talk about chaff (German: "Düppel").
Same in the next video you linked to, where Accuweather is also only talking about chaff.
So your "daily dose of truth" appears to consist of youtube videos which use (intentionally?) incorrect translations or which don't even mention the stuff you are talking about.
I'll go back to the TV then, tyvm.
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They are even spraying here in Slovakia. I saw 5 today. This is a big operation to kill off most of the worlds population. Only the rich people that stay in their Mansions will survive.
I also bet that that is not the real president Obama we see, just a double. The real one is in his presidential bunker so as not to get affected by the spray.
HR thanks for starting this thread, most fun I have had in ages.
I also bet that that is not the real president Obama we see, just a double. The real one is in his presidential bunker so as not to get affected by the spray.
HR thanks for starting this thread, most fun I have had in ages.
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Instead, the only thing you are able to do is to make jokes, and poor attempts to ridicule the discussion. Very mature.
For example:
1) I regularly see an intricate crisscrossing of lines, arcs and parallel lines covering the sky. What is the explanation for this? What types of flights are they? (ie, it's quite clear they are not passenger airlines as these flights are clearly recognisable and follow set paths) Where are they going to and from and for what purpose?
The reason I ask this is that the flight paths look crazy and start at low altitude, some going almost vertical, some diagonal, and there also seems to be a relationship between the lines that form in the sky on a day when there is a lot of vapour, as if they are working in harmony, to a set pattern as a formerly blue sky becomes covered in white haze.
The reason I ask this is that the flight paths look crazy and start at low altitude, some going almost vertical, some diagonal, and there also seems to be a relationship between the lines that form in the sky on a day when there is a lot of vapour, as if they are working in harmony, to a set pattern as a formerly blue sky becomes covered in white haze.
- Aerosol interactions and vapour nucleation
- Atmospheric conditions and how they vary subject to many many influences
- ATC procedures and routings
- Parallax and other visual effects which distort the trails.
is simply not worth the effort... even after explaining it all we're only going to be accused of being a government apologist or have our thorough understanding challenged by someone quoting some utter nonsense from a random source on the internet.
Finally, seeing as to be taken seriously you have to have an arty-farty quote at the bottom of your post:
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"The internet is full of idiots who haven't got a clue what they're talking about and only a fool even attempts to stem that tide"
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Hmmmmmmmm...
WillDAQ,
I too was of opinion con/chem trails were anomally of natural physics of jet combustion, exhaust, and high altitude meteorologic conditions.
Have you ever on a enroute weather report seen artificial rain? I have. Granted tough concept to grasp, however, terraforming/geoengineering have already been admitted by the do gooders in Washington DC.
Barrium sulfates, Aluminum dioxides found in "droppings". The Chem/con trails in the Western USA, create full overcast skies in the Las Vegas Area of West Coast, as a/c departing KLAX climb to altitude.
Naturally the dogooders in Washington DC care so much about people, that they are protecting us from increasing radiation levels caused by Ozone depletion, so the story goes.
As such please continue to consider me imbecile/moron, etc...,
and plan to pay your Cap & trade taxes for the CO2 you exhale on a daily basis.
Safe Journies All...Sushi
I too was of opinion con/chem trails were anomally of natural physics of jet combustion, exhaust, and high altitude meteorologic conditions.
Have you ever on a enroute weather report seen artificial rain? I have. Granted tough concept to grasp, however, terraforming/geoengineering have already been admitted by the do gooders in Washington DC.
Barrium sulfates, Aluminum dioxides found in "droppings". The Chem/con trails in the Western USA, create full overcast skies in the Las Vegas Area of West Coast, as a/c departing KLAX climb to altitude.
Naturally the dogooders in Washington DC care so much about people, that they are protecting us from increasing radiation levels caused by Ozone depletion, so the story goes.
As such please continue to consider me imbecile/moron, etc...,
and plan to pay your Cap & trade taxes for the CO2 you exhale on a daily basis.
Safe Journies All...Sushi
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WillDAQ,
I would please ask that you don't mix my quote, with another quote of a different poster, as you did above. It clearly looks like that is also my quote, which is quite a deceptive strategy you make by doing so. I have strong objections to the views of that poster. I don't look up in the sky, or take any video as any evidence, as such is not a serious way to either investigate or understand anything.
How can you use that as basis for arguing "a fact", when we very well know that similar activity as many of you here exclude, has been officially admitted to have occurred in programs over several decades, both in the US and UK, up to no more than 30 years ago?
Are we really to believe only what is confirmed by our governments, when we at the same time know that secret programs of the type we discuss will obviously not be admitted or information declassified until typically 30-60 years later? Shall we wait to 2040 for official documents to understand what happened in the 1990s?
Do you think there are no hidden government truths to be discovered in today's "modern world"? I don't say this to say something fancy, I really think this is a serious question to consider.
It's not science to accept only the already accepted. No breakthrough can happen on any field with that position.
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
I would please ask that you don't mix my quote, with another quote of a different poster, as you did above. It clearly looks like that is also my quote, which is quite a deceptive strategy you make by doing so. I have strong objections to the views of that poster. I don't look up in the sky, or take any video as any evidence, as such is not a serious way to either investigate or understand anything.
"contributors from all over the world of aviation both civilian and military. They know full well that the chemtrail conspiracies are nonsense".
Are we really to believe only what is confirmed by our governments, when we at the same time know that secret programs of the type we discuss will obviously not be admitted or information declassified until typically 30-60 years later? Shall we wait to 2040 for official documents to understand what happened in the 1990s?
Do you think there are no hidden government truths to be discovered in today's "modern world"? I don't say this to say something fancy, I really think this is a serious question to consider.
It's not science to accept only the already accepted. No breakthrough can happen on any field with that position.
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Dukof, you are a dumkopf.
I don't need to ridicule you, you do that yourself.
Chemtrails... Dear God, what will the fruitloops come up with next?
It's rubbish, that's all you need to know.
I don't need to ridicule you, you do that yourself.
Chemtrails... Dear God, what will the fruitloops come up with next?
It's rubbish, that's all you need to know.
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Apparently it is not nonsense for the US Government. Can you find "chemtrails" spelled in the US bill H.R.2977.IH. "Space Preservation Act of 2001"?
Official link: Bill Text - 107th Congress (2001-2002) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Or, we could perhaps look at some patents, like 1991 US Patent 5003186, "Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming";
Official link: United States Patent: 5003186
QUOTE:
"One proposed solution to the problem of global warming involves the seeding of the atmosphere with metallic particles. One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude."
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Official link: Bill Text - 107th Congress (2001-2002) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Or, we could perhaps look at some patents, like 1991 US Patent 5003186, "Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming";
Official link: United States Patent: 5003186
QUOTE:
"One proposed solution to the problem of global warming involves the seeding of the atmosphere with metallic particles. One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude."
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
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