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Old 15th Mar 2010, 18:38
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Scottish ATC

Hi guys,

Has anyone heard owt about problems with the above- tonight?


many thanks

nitro
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 18:43
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Not good...


NFO
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THE RADAR FAILURE IN EGPX AND EGCC HAS BEEN SOLVED AND THE
CAPACITY WILL BE GRADUALLY BACK TO STANDARD.
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CFMU OPS/BRUSSELS

TACT/CASA MESSAGE: XCD-ZERO RATE
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REF : XCD ZERO RATE
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REG ID : EGPXG15
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VALID : 1755 UTC UNTIL: 2200 UTC
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REMARKS : ATC EQUIPMENT
TOTAL RADAR FAILURE
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CFMU OPS/BRUSSELS
TACT/CASA MESSAGE: XCD-ZERO RATE
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REF : XCD ZERO RATE
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REG ID : EGCCG15
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VALID : 1800 UTC UNTIL: 2200 UTC
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REMARKS : ATC EQUIPMENT
TOTAL RADAR FAILURE
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CFMU OPS/BRUSSELS

Hope it didn't cause too many 'oh ****' moments for my chums north of the border.
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 20:56
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<<The organisation said all aircraft had been accounted for and in voice contact with air traffic control centres. >>

Well that's a relief...... so easy to lose a few here and there..
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 22:03
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This is the quote I'm seeing everywhere.
"The organisation added all aircraft were accounted for and in voice contact with control towers"
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 22:38
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Exclamation

I believe an engineer selected shut down all radar monitors by mistake. I would have thought there would have been a fail safe choice like..........

"are you really sure you want to do this ?"

I also believe "bonuses were never compromised and at no time was there any danger of management ever getting it right"

thank god for that

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Old 16th Mar 2010, 09:31
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At least the BBC didn't waste any more licence fee money chartering a helicopter to flog around under the TMA so Brian Hanrahan could say "I counted them all out and counted them in again" !
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 11:06
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i'm sure its a one in a million years type event , i'm sure its ok now........
hmmm better grab the mats pt 2 and remind myself of those backup procedures again
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 11:09
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<<i'm sure its a one in a million years type event >>

Yeah..... I've had a few of those. After one "frightener" I was assured that it would be OK for the next 999,999 years.
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 11:35
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There were plenty of "chocolate fire guards" in suits ( without ties ) milling around trying to pretend they were justifying their jobs..........
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 13:03
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hmmm better grab the mats pt 2 and remind myself of those backup procedures again

I've looked, there is no contingency, it'll never happen!
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 13:14
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1 in million????

Try twice in 3 or 4 years!!

But nope, it'll never happen again!

Until the next time.......
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 16:16
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It was fun on the other side of the fence too, at least we still had radar!
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 16:30
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Will they never learn? What happened to the culture of safety?

FWIW somebody pulled the plug at Maastricht UAC back in the 1970s with similar results luckily on a weekend IIRC so no great panic from La Belle Étage.
It became the first study case on safety evaluation courses
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 17:17
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I think this possibility for total radar failure (14 minutes in this case ) was highlighted previously when the new equipment was installed and tested at PC.
No doubt "risk management" decided that there was only an extremely remote chance it would happen .

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Old 16th Mar 2010, 19:26
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Will they never learn? What happened to the culture of safety?
That went out the door to be replaced by a culture of business and profit management.
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 21:10
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When I did my Area Procedural oral board exam @ Hurn in 1973, the first question Malcolm Lucas asked me was " why are we bothering to teach you procedural control when we're already going into a radar environment". Says I "so when the radar fails, we know what to do ". With a grin from all the board members , he said " but the engineers say that won't happen". I think I got several brownie points when I replied " that's what they thought at New York Centre until it dropped out last month!"
Funny how things havn't changed in 37 years isn't it ?
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 21:43
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Brings back memories for me Eric....

Hope the EFPS thingy still works when the plug gets pulled.. Within days of one move I made into a new ops room the whole place died. That is, all except the bits of paper we had with funny scrawls on. Those and some standby R/T kept a lot of people alive that day.
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 22:27
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Malcolm Lucas 1973?
I was in the bar at the South Western one night in 1973 during my Area course; chatted to this pleasant bloke who looked like Alistair Sim the film actor. My [email protected] cadet course mates never warned me who he really was!!
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 00:47
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I assume that the regulators will be asking for explanations and maybe calling for heads to roll. We'll see how serious they are about safety now.

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Old 17th Mar 2010, 09:28
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Especially when it was known already that one mouse click could shut down every radar monitor in the ops room.
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