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BW . . . sorry never did LATCC other than as a visitor . . a frequent one back in the days of the radar calibration unit.
I recall once drinking at The Cherry Tree and then The Railway Arms after a hard day in the ops room . . my colleague left me at the station just up the road where I merrily boarded the train home towards the metropolis in the daylight . . . only to awake to find myself facing the other way somewhere godforsaken in the darkness . . SH1T
Vapourer . . . sorry Nope . . . I was born in Thornton Heath and left London circa 1970. You are maybe thinking of Sid ?
Surely PB or Pickey have a master EGLL list ?
(I gave my book away before having a chance to read it . . to a good friend who had spent a while in SDH (Salisbury District Hospital) burns unit having survived a post-crash fire in the Pa28 (EFATO)
Very sadly . . . one of the 3 POB did not make it.
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I recall once drinking at The Cherry Tree and then The Railway Arms after a hard day in the ops room . . my colleague left me at the station just up the road where I merrily boarded the train home towards the metropolis in the daylight . . . only to awake to find myself facing the other way somewhere godforsaken in the darkness . . SH1T
Vapourer . . . sorry Nope . . . I was born in Thornton Heath and left London circa 1970. You are maybe thinking of Sid ?
Surely PB or Pickey have a master EGLL list ?
(I gave my book away before having a chance to read it . . to a good friend who had spent a while in SDH (Salisbury District Hospital) burns unit having survived a post-crash fire in the Pa28 (EFATO)
Very sadly . . . one of the 3 POB did not make it.
TC
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HD . . . I must be there somewhere.
I recall cycling from EGLL to Paris for Guide Dog No3 named "Lucy" . .
. . . If only I could still do so now !!
I have been more closely working with WH 99 these days . . ?
ID by PM at some point . . if you get close.
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I recall cycling from EGLL to Paris for Guide Dog No3 named "Lucy" . .
. . . If only I could still do so now !!
I have been more closely working with WH 99 these days . . ?
ID by PM at some point . . if you get close.
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Well maybe you have sent me barking up the wrong tree (or barking mad!), I've been through 'The Book' and found 5 ATCOs who started at LL in '76. Of course I've assumed you were an ATCO and not an ATCA - or is it back to the history again?
Mike Male I think is too young - he's younger than his old mate Bob Hillyer who is not yet 57.
Richard Harrison came onto LATCC C Watch when I was there, '76 ish.
Steve Lambert - bit of a footie man, don't know his age.
Brandon Chapman - ?????
and finally the lovely Wendy MacD - Crystal Palace fan ??? - age could be right.
Should Salibury District Hospital ring a bell? I used to go so often to Rheumatology they almost gave me my own parking slot.
Come on Bren, it's down to you!
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Mike Male I think is too young - he's younger than his old mate Bob Hillyer who is not yet 57.
Richard Harrison came onto LATCC C Watch when I was there, '76 ish.
Steve Lambert - bit of a footie man, don't know his age.
Brandon Chapman - ?????
and finally the lovely Wendy MacD - Crystal Palace fan ??? - age could be right.
Should Salibury District Hospital ring a bell? I used to go so often to Rheumatology they almost gave me my own parking slot.
Come on Bren, it's down to you!
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OOOps . . . my mistake it was of course TB10 Tobago . . ex HH
(In my logbook) . . apologies chaps.
No, not the Lovely Wendy . . . (Sorry John etc)
I recall that I may have done my APR course with Wendy before going to PF for endorsement . . and of course worked many a D1, D2, D3, D4 shift with her at LL later on
Don't believe Brandon, Steve or Rich flew still.
The list . . ? did Steve H not also start in 76
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(In my logbook) . . apologies chaps.
No, not the Lovely Wendy . . . (Sorry John etc)
I recall that I may have done my APR course with Wendy before going to PF for endorsement . . and of course worked many a D1, D2, D3, D4 shift with her at LL later on
Don't believe Brandon, Steve or Rich flew still.
The list . . ? did Steve H not also start in 76
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It' me again with more rubbish.
When the first London centre opened at Uxbridge to rule the Metropolitan control zone it was called a "listing buiding". It was not because it had any value as a building but beacause to keep it level it had to be raised up at one end using railway sleepers.
Even more rubbish to follow.
JP.
When the first London centre opened at Uxbridge to rule the Metropolitan control zone it was called a "listing buiding". It was not because it had any value as a building but beacause to keep it level it had to be raised up at one end using railway sleepers.
Even more rubbish to follow.
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Evenin JP . . .
Bit like the Scottish Centre Mk 2 then (after jolly old Redbrae and Gailes Radar - Type 7 - Type 14 - Type 7 - Type 14 etc ?) . . .
Oh no . . that was on a coal mine if we are to believe the rumours ?
Pardon . . Time for a glas of mulled wine.
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Bit like the Scottish Centre Mk 2 then (after jolly old Redbrae and Gailes Radar - Type 7 - Type 14 - Type 7 - Type 14 etc ?) . . .
Oh no . . that was on a coal mine if we are to believe the rumours ?
Pardon . . Time for a glas of mulled wine.
Cheers
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Hello again.
If we ever loose these little bits of information we will never know the real history of our ATC service.
There is so much that needs to be exposed and without your help I will not be able to do it.
During the early years of WW2 so many of the high officers who had flown during and after WW1 would not consider a that a person on the ground who would be able to help bomber crews to land at a safe airfield.
The official RAF history is very clever in covering up those who cost so many lives.
I have named them in my book so imagine the difficulties I have had getting it published. They don't want to know about all the dirty linen, but I want the truth to be told.I need all the help you can provide.
Help me in telling the truth.
JP.
If we ever loose these little bits of information we will never know the real history of our ATC service.
There is so much that needs to be exposed and without your help I will not be able to do it.
During the early years of WW2 so many of the high officers who had flown during and after WW1 would not consider a that a person on the ground who would be able to help bomber crews to land at a safe airfield.
The official RAF history is very clever in covering up those who cost so many lives.
I have named them in my book so imagine the difficulties I have had getting it published. They don't want to know about all the dirty linen, but I want the truth to be told.I need all the help you can provide.
Help me in telling the truth.
JP.
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Fresh (!!!!) back from a cycle ride in the Wye Valley,back to the detective work.
The biggest clue has to be flying then - I've discounted Cossie, John Cant and Roy Hendry cos' they are all about my age.
Sid would fit the bill, apart from the footie team - sure he is The Charlton supporter.
Barnesy didn't start at LL until '82 ( by the way Hobbsie was c'81 ex ScATCC).
Jez 'Dear Boy' Cooke, c'81.
I feel I'm getting close,
the clues don't fit Paul Wilson, the secret spotter so I believe.
Hows about Keefie Miller?
Otherwise it's back to the drawing board!
BW
The biggest clue has to be flying then - I've discounted Cossie, John Cant and Roy Hendry cos' they are all about my age.
Sid would fit the bill, apart from the footie team - sure he is The Charlton supporter.
Barnesy didn't start at LL until '82 ( by the way Hobbsie was c'81 ex ScATCC).
Jez 'Dear Boy' Cooke, c'81.
I feel I'm getting close,
the clues don't fit Paul Wilson, the secret spotter so I believe.
Hows about Keefie Miller?
Otherwise it's back to the drawing board!
BW
JP
The RAF was way behind the times between the wars; everything being run by the '2-winged Master Race'. I don't say that as a form of envy, having been a nav, but as a statement of how it was.
Commissioned pilots would do one flying tour and then have to choose a 'specialisation' such as engineering,navigation, instructing etc. In fact the only other branches were Medical,Padre type ones.
I've just finished a great book by Dickie Richardson, entitled 'Man is not Lost'. He joined as a pilot in 1933 and then four years later went onto a nav' course. He wrote the AP1234 Navigation Manual, bit like a Part 2, in 1941.
Because navigation had been poorly understood and taught it meant at the start of WW2 virtually no senior officers knew anything about it, this meant the necessary aids to help Bomber and Coastal Commands find their targets and their airfields on their return, were not in service until 1943.
So JP you can see why ATC was late being developed.
I gather that it is almost back to the bad old days now as everyone relies on GPS - can that fail, I don't know? What happens if it does?
BW
Commissioned pilots would do one flying tour and then have to choose a 'specialisation' such as engineering,navigation, instructing etc. In fact the only other branches were Medical,Padre type ones.
I've just finished a great book by Dickie Richardson, entitled 'Man is not Lost'. He joined as a pilot in 1933 and then four years later went onto a nav' course. He wrote the AP1234 Navigation Manual, bit like a Part 2, in 1941.
Because navigation had been poorly understood and taught it meant at the start of WW2 virtually no senior officers knew anything about it, this meant the necessary aids to help Bomber and Coastal Commands find their targets and their airfields on their return, were not in service until 1943.
So JP you can see why ATC was late being developed.
I gather that it is almost back to the bad old days now as everyone relies on GPS - can that fail, I don't know? What happens if it does?
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Brian.. Have you seen the book The Complete Air Navigator by my old boss Pathfinder Bennett? Back in those dark, Dalton Computer, days it was the standard reference but I suspect things have come on a bit since then!
Still nothing on I99. He has sent me some clues, but they mean nothing to me..
Still nothing on I99. He has sent me some clues, but they mean nothing to me..
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Oh Dear . . I'm off to rehab again shortly . . but in response to yours . .
> as for Chris, John and Roy . . yep they flew a bit (especially C & J) and both have a few years on me . . hope they are all doin OK.
> John, Al and Captain Cooke . . all arrived after moi (in 76), some came to D Watch and they all flew a bit yes but they are not moi I am afraid.
> PW . . not a lot of people knew that
> Kieth . . bumped into him again when he was in SRG . . nope.
Steve Hall circa 76 (not Hobsie) went on to KK . . so not him either although we met a couple of years back on the A36 . . !!?
So . . whilst "getting warmish - Yes Atco " a few more leads to follow.
Oh . . and not M ingles should you be looking at the list and likewise D Shaw who did not fly so far as I can remember.
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Oh Dear . . I'm off to rehab again shortly . . but in response to yours . .
> as for Chris, John and Roy . . yep they flew a bit (especially C & J) and both have a few years on me . . hope they are all doin OK.
> John, Al and Captain Cooke . . all arrived after moi (in 76), some came to D Watch and they all flew a bit yes but they are not moi I am afraid.
> PW . . not a lot of people knew that
> Kieth . . bumped into him again when he was in SRG . . nope.
Steve Hall circa 76 (not Hobsie) went on to KK . . so not him either although we met a couple of years back on the A36 . . !!?
So . . whilst "getting warmish - Yes Atco " a few more leads to follow.
Oh . . and not M ingles should you be looking at the list and likewise D Shaw who did not fly so far as I can remember.
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Eric, I thought that except he had already left LL when I arrived.Mind you I think the use of 'old bean' which I first heard Trickett using, originated with either him or his 'opo' (name escapes me) who went to KK. They came through Stornoway when I was there, '81?, in a light a/c on their way back to PB.
Bren,
My intended's parents bought me a copy for my 21st in Sept'67,having given me his old Zenit SLR a couple of months before. They were determined I would stick to the plan and marry their 18yr old daughter in December and whisk her away to Singapore. Freedom for them was looming!
It's still on the shelf, Bennett's book that is, not my lovely wife who is making lots of cooking noises in the kitchen!
I think 'Complete Air Navigator' proved that civil aviation was ahead of the RAF in that respect then.
Brian
Bren,
My intended's parents bought me a copy for my 21st in Sept'67,having given me his old Zenit SLR a couple of months before. They were determined I would stick to the plan and marry their 18yr old daughter in December and whisk her away to Singapore. Freedom for them was looming!
It's still on the shelf, Bennett's book that is, not my lovely wife who is making lots of cooking noises in the kitchen!
I think 'Complete Air Navigator' proved that civil aviation was ahead of the RAF in that respect then.
Brian
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Nice story Brian.. From my point of view, it was just a shame that AVM DCTB was such an arrogant, detestable human (?) being. I've no idea what it must have been like to serve under him - worse than hell I imagine!
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Back in 1971 the training section and the original computer for Shanwick were about the only things in Atlantic House.
The building and the fire escapes had separate foundations and the building was sinking faster than the stairs resulting in the doors being changed to open inwards and the increasing gap at the bottom (already about a foot at that time) being boarded up.
another name from the past. The Danair Pilots' Delight, Daphne Donkin
The building and the fire escapes had separate foundations and the building was sinking faster than the stairs resulting in the doors being changed to open inwards and the increasing gap at the bottom (already about a foot at that time) being boarded up.
another name from the past. The Danair Pilots' Delight, Daphne Donkin