Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Ground & Other Ops Forums > ATC Issues
Reload this Page >

UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours

Wikiposts
Search
ATC Issues A place where pilots may enter the 'lions den' that is Air Traffic Control in complete safety and find out the answers to all those obscure topics which you always wanted to know the answer to but were afraid to ask.

UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22nd Aug 2011, 17:18
  #2301 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: USA
Age: 66
Posts: 2,183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I've yet to see a mutiny on PPrune translate to a NO vote. You'll take it...you know you will...
eastern wiseguy is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2011, 08:58
  #2302 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Very little mention anywhere of how 2011 leavers get shafted in the deal... No arrears will be paid to people who left between January and July.

That's a first time - and unwelcome - addition
Me Me Me Me is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2011, 13:19
  #2303 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Very little mention anywhere of how 2011 leavers get shafted in the deal... No arrears will be paid to people who left between January and July.
Is this applicable to all Nats be they ATCO, ATSA, ATCE etc?
Scot Cabin is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2011, 09:55
  #2304 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Only PCS grades
Me Me Me Me is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2011, 11:12
  #2305 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: UK
Age: 94
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I voted no. Management clearly do not value engineers. On my own personal work to rule and overtime boycott now.
Frank Disclosure is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2011, 07:14
  #2306 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cheshire, California, Geneva, and Paris
Age: 67
Posts: 867
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I am happy to be corrected, but I understood that the no compulsory redundancy agreement was more an "understanding" than a formal agreement.
DC10RealMan is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2011, 18:36
  #2307 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Somewhere nice
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Dispute resolved through discussion - Latest Rail and Train Travel News from First TransPennine Express

Congratulations to ASLEF and RMT who have demonstrated what a union with some nuts can achieve. Derisory 2% offer lifted to a 5% offer for ALL staff.
Rocket_Science is offline  
Old 30th Aug 2011, 09:43
  #2308 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: looking out of the window
Posts: 555
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yet at 5.2% and 5% next year our offer was crap?

Sometimes its worth accepting what is a sensible offer...
whitelighter is offline  
Old 30th Aug 2011, 17:24
  #2309 (permalink)  
Disappointed
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Scotland
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any idea when the results are released?
Ceannairceach is offline  
Old 30th Aug 2011, 17:46
  #2310 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Somewhere nice
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yet at 5.2% and 5% next year our offer was crap?
You seemed to have confused me for a greedy ATCO.

If I was offered the same, I would rip your hand off!

The offer on the table for PCS grades is the "crap" offer to which I refer. The same "crap" offer that has funded the more generous offer to another trade group by the wholesale reduction of our T&Cs.
Rocket_Science is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2011, 09:26
  #2311 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LONDON England
Age: 52
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any news on PCS and ATSS ballots?
autothrottle is offline  
Old 9th Sep 2011, 07:13
  #2312 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Eyjafjallajokull
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any news on PCS and ATSS ballots?
Results are due today I believe - normally by midday ....

UPDATED:

For rejection of the offer - 15.3%
For acceptance of the offer - 84.7%
Total ballot papers received - 71.7%
Akasaka is offline  
Old 9th Sep 2011, 13:57
  #2313 (permalink)  
Disappointed
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Scotland
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Which branch are those figures for?
Ceannairceach is offline  
Old 9th Sep 2011, 15:07
  #2314 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LONDON England
Age: 52
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The result above was for PCS.
autothrottle is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2011, 08:46
  #2315 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: In my garden shed
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
August RPI 5.2%
hold at SATAN is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2011, 08:48
  #2316 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: behind the fruit
Posts: 233
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
August RPI 5.2%



A GOOD DEAL BETTER
LEGAL TENDER is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2011, 15:46
  #2317 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So that equates to a real terms 0.2% pay cut for all NATS ATCOs and for NSL ATCOs previously in receipt of Met contingency payments a 2.2% real terms cut.

"RPI capped at a maximum 5% from Jan 1st2012 (August 2011 RPI
figure) on basic pay only;"
and NATS ATCEs get a real terms o.8% pay cut this year and a real terms 1.2% pay cut next year. Nice one Prospect.
Scot Cabin is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2011, 16:34
  #2318 (permalink)  
Disappointed
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Scotland
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A massive capitulation from the PCS membership there. Surprising.
Ceannairceach is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2011, 17:12
  #2319 (permalink)  

 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 796
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Inflation is still forecast to go higher as well.

If you voted yes to any of the deals though there's no point complaining now.

And don't blame the Union for putting a deal on the table, even if they recommended it. It's ultimately down to the membership to accept/reject.
Roffa is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2011, 17:35
  #2320 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Harrow
Age: 61
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I voted no (to the PCS deal), but I accept the result as we all live in
a demoracy don't we? (tongue in cheek that part!). However there are certain things that I've been involved in up until now that I won't be doing in future and managment can get an ATCO out of the Ops room to do them!
EGLL19791986 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.