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Old 29th Jun 2009, 13:56
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My post was purely about ATCOs, not the NATS union membership as a whole. I never said the rest of us 'CTC monkeys' were any brighter (I did vote NO myself).

It's not like anyone else on this thread chooses what stats to ignore in their posts......

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Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:01
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Fair point. Neither am I blaming the whole fiasco on everybody else apart from ATCOs...we, as a whole, have capitulated on this issue....although i am still not convinced that Prospect is our future, at least not with the people running it at the top level that we currently have.

I see they have called for NATS to re-invest the profits made... stable doors and horses suddenly come to mind.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 20:29
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Ahh yes.

The Irish on strike
The French on strike
The Spanish earning 800k

The British accept carp pension reform
The British accept a carp pay deal
The British will sit back and let NSL be sold off and the staff screwed

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 20:54
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gotta love being british.
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 10:33
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As much as I'd love to blame Prospect, we're the mugs who voted.....
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 19:28
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And now I get paid in carp too it seems
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 21:13
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I always said there was something fishy about that pay deal.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 17:17
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I suspect there will be at least a new post once a month in this thread...
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 20:21
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Never mind a pay rise what about my 30 days a year they have just knicked......
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Old 17th Feb 2010, 08:51
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30 days a year, Whats all that about?
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Old 17th Feb 2010, 13:42
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Shortly before Christmas LXGB told Prospect/NATS to stuff their pay offer. Our Prospect rep has just come back from a union jamboree and reports that two months down the line no progress has been made whatsoever. Apparently the COO wanted to force a mere RPI increase on us (that's Gib RPI 2.8%). There are dark mutterings down here, with veiled threats of withdrawing from internal productivity deals which see Bird Control / Medical staff undertaking ATSA duties for what has been described as a 'paltry' extra sum.

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Old 17th Feb 2010, 14:04
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radarman,

Can you give us all the details of the deal that was turned down? I can only think that in the current climate it was close to a zero offer?

Was it a unit wide deal or just for the ATCOs? If not how did the other groups vote on it?

I should think most of us would jump at a 2.8% offer right now.
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Old 8th Mar 2010, 13:40
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radarman,

Surely the offer wasn't so good you can't share it with us?
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Old 30th Mar 2010, 15:25
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A nice 3.7% RPI announced for Feb 2010, against our 0% 2010 deal.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloa...onomy/Rp04.pdf

I wonder if they'll use August 2010 for our 2011 deal? It'll be at least 4% by then.
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Old 30th Mar 2010, 17:23
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ifacts deal!

See the union have driven another hard bargain! managed to negotiate a 15% reduction in real terms for our extra attendances during Ifacts training compared to the figure paid for similar days when we moved to swanwick! This working together lark really is paying dividends, well for the management team it is.
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Old 30th Mar 2010, 17:51
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iFACTS deal

Originally Posted by blueskythinking
See the union have driven another hard bargain! managed to negotiate a 15% reduction in real terms for our extra attendances during Ifacts training compared to the figure paid for similar days when we moved to swanwick!
Same deal as PC got for EFD, £850 for a day doesn't seem bad to me.

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Old 30th Mar 2010, 18:55
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I am sure the previous two posters think it is a good deal. Can't really be bothered to get into an argument about it as you were probably happy to wave goodbye to your pension rights too. Any deal that gets you less money for the same thing as we did ten years ago can't be seen as driving a hard bargain. Simple enough for you?
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Old 30th Mar 2010, 21:05
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Can someone please summarise what was said at the briefings please as 3 of the 4 were days off & today just isn't a good day.

Another poor performance from the union and that was just in disorganising 4 briefings....

Ps Heard about the AAVA + TOIL offer = £880 (so I thought £550 + £330?) & have read the e-mail last week but know nothing more
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Old 31st Mar 2010, 07:34
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Let me get this correct.

You will be asked to work on a day off, for which you will be paid £550 on top of your normal salary and then, because you have had to work on a day off, that day will be returned to you in the form of TOIL - net result to you is no lost days and £550 for every day you 'learn' iFACTS.

And some are moaning this is disgraceful, not a hard bargain etc!!

Sometimes, the greed of this profession beggars belief
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Old 31st Mar 2010, 08:42
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You could always go in to work on a day off for a briefing, as you expect your Union Reps to do. How many briefing are they expected to give? How much of their spare time are they expected to give up? And you can't be bothered to give up an hour or two of your own time.
Just plain lazy!
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