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Agreed...I think that any money meant for an increase has been well spent already.....that's why we've heard no news except that there is no news.
Have to pay for those extra feet they want next year for the office jobs....must have more support staff than controllers!
Have to pay for those extra feet they want next year for the office jobs....must have more support staff than controllers!
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An e-mail from the new boss indicates that a pay rise has now been approved by the airport (the customer) and individual letters should be circulated soon 
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An e-mail from the new boss indicates that a pay rise has now been approved by the airport (the customer) and individual letters should be circulated soon
I would be VERY surprised if anything that has "been approved" turned out to be more than negligible and yes - I have heard the rumours. A few percent on "basic" is therefore only half of what it appears to be and a long way from what is needed if they wish to retain those that have an option of going elsewhere.
Plus ça change......
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Pay Rise?
Guy I cannot agree more - if the amounts I heard are true the only retention they are going to get are from my bowels. The pay increase however would keep an asian labourer in Dubai for the rest of his life - sweet.... I wonder what these guys are thinking!!
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Times must be very tough!
They gave us a 4% increase on basic. And we've been told that's it for the next two years. So effectively a 1% pa increase on basic from 2009-2013.
WAY below the inflation rate..
Spend wisely chaps.....and for those who are considering coming here-we don't have any grass
They gave us a 4% increase on basic. And we've been told that's it for the next two years. So effectively a 1% pa increase on basic from 2009-2013.
WAY below the inflation rate..
Spend wisely chaps.....and for those who are considering coming here-we don't have any grass
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Here we go AGAIN!
This farce is like a never ending story!
Not only we are discriminated on some 'Staff Travel' from our major carrier, but now same thing WITHIN the unit!
Some have got 5-7% & 'their' basic is much higher than ours, so definitely 'their' raise is much more than ours.........
Our salaries are split in 'basic' & "other allowances"...... then of course the 4% on our 'basic' does not result in any significant increase! How can we forget 2 years of no increase, when the inflation has shot up by a minimum of 8% yearly?
& IF the rumor of this 'Pay Rise' is for 2 years...then rest assured HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF!
The only question now, is not "if how many other units have better offers", it's certainly a matter of "WHEN there will be openings/vacancies", MANY will leave, & rest assured 7 of us will resign at one go!
Remember we are now being considered as 'Medium Controllers'...........
Not only we are discriminated on some 'Staff Travel' from our major carrier, but now same thing WITHIN the unit!
Some have got 5-7% & 'their' basic is much higher than ours, so definitely 'their' raise is much more than ours.........
Our salaries are split in 'basic' & "other allowances"...... then of course the 4% on our 'basic' does not result in any significant increase! How can we forget 2 years of no increase, when the inflation has shot up by a minimum of 8% yearly?
& IF the rumor of this 'Pay Rise' is for 2 years...then rest assured HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF!
The only question now, is not "if how many other units have better offers", it's certainly a matter of "WHEN there will be openings/vacancies", MANY will leave, & rest assured 7 of us will resign at one go!
Remember we are now being considered as 'Medium Controllers'...........
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Greener grass?
There isn't much grass in the desert, but where is the grass greener at the moment?
Pay awards of significance seem to be few and far between on a global basis.
The pay award at DXB may not be great, but there isn't that much money floating about for Dubai government organisations - there is still billions of dirhams in debt to pay off.
By the time you take into account basic pay & personal allowances, housing allowance, school allowance, family medical insurance, terminal gratuity & flights home is the average controller at DXB that badly paid? And of course it's all tax free.
Dubai is hardly a hardship posting, or perhaps to some it is?
If the grass is greener, people will undoubtedly move on. If sufficient numbers leave then the customer will react and there will be another large payrise (as per a few years ago). The customer takes a business view of life. Whilst the current package continues to attract sufficient numbers of suitably experienced controllers, the customer will struggle to understand why they should fork out for larger pay rises.
I don't think that this situation is typical of the DXB contract and applies across the board where you have an ANSP providing a service on a contract basis.
As the old story goes, there are 2 buckets.....
Pay awards of significance seem to be few and far between on a global basis.
The pay award at DXB may not be great, but there isn't that much money floating about for Dubai government organisations - there is still billions of dirhams in debt to pay off.
By the time you take into account basic pay & personal allowances, housing allowance, school allowance, family medical insurance, terminal gratuity & flights home is the average controller at DXB that badly paid? And of course it's all tax free.
Dubai is hardly a hardship posting, or perhaps to some it is?
If the grass is greener, people will undoubtedly move on. If sufficient numbers leave then the customer will react and there will be another large payrise (as per a few years ago). The customer takes a business view of life. Whilst the current package continues to attract sufficient numbers of suitably experienced controllers, the customer will struggle to understand why they should fork out for larger pay rises.
I don't think that this situation is typical of the DXB contract and applies across the board where you have an ANSP providing a service on a contract basis.
As the old story goes, there are 2 buckets.....
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Egg Zackery!
What Thirsty Camel said!
Where I work there is a queue of people waiting for their call from the ME - Dubai in particular. I know that's not ideal for the guys there to hear, but that's the way the world is. At the same time the "company" is telling us that there is queue that is there in the ME that want to come home? I guess it benefits us both ways!
What Thirsty Camel said!
Where I work there is a queue of people waiting for their call from the ME - Dubai in particular. I know that's not ideal for the guys there to hear, but that's the way the world is. At the same time the "company" is telling us that there is queue that is there in the ME that want to come home? I guess it benefits us both ways!
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We`re a fairly realistic bunch in Dubai and the main concern has more to do with the fairly dubious way in which individual pay awards have been decided rather than the amount.
Instructing supervisors to rate everyone at average in their assessments as it was just a starting point for the next year and wouldn`t mean anything and then turn round and state that the only thing pay rises were based on was this assessment is a pretty poor show.
Instructing supervisors to rate everyone at average in their assessments as it was just a starting point for the next year and wouldn`t mean anything and then turn round and state that the only thing pay rises were based on was this assessment is a pretty poor show.
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Never mind the two week 'basic' lump sum verses Emirates 12 weeks bonus! Or the fact most new staff members in last year get nothing!
I agree no problem 'ish' with amounts its the way its been done!
I agree no problem 'ish' with amounts its the way its been done!
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Tower Ranger, you make a good point. My understanding is that it was Dubai Airports that introduced the performance scheme and stated that it would be rolled out this year and would not be tied into any payments. This is what was cascaded throughout DANS. DA then subsequently turned around and said it would be linked to the pay award. I think that the whole of DANS was stitched up, probably along with several DA departments too. In other words, it was circumstances outside the control of anyone on the contract.
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Yaaawwwnnnn.....
Quite entertaining watching these threads, just another turn in the Middle East circle of life.... i.e same cr*p another year!
Dig up threads from days of yonder and bring back The Rat!! That'll spice it up a bit!!
I guess some of the greener folk here are not accustomed to the world of Middle East contracts
If you want to hang out here for more than 18 moths...get used to it!
Dig up threads from days of yonder and bring back The Rat!! That'll spice it up a bit!!
I guess some of the greener folk here are not accustomed to the world of Middle East contracts
If you want to hang out here for more than 18 moths...get used to it!
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Must be awful earning an insane tax-free salary in the land of infinite sunshine (and for some, "golden showers")!!! 
But maybe you guys would like to pay taxes again.....the EU and IMF will welcome you back with open arms.
Your still better off here (and yes, even with 4 school going kids) than most other places.....
Enjoy the sunshine while it last boys.
But maybe you guys would like to pay taxes again.....the EU and IMF will welcome you back with open arms.
Your still better off here (and yes, even with 4 school going kids) than most other places.....
Enjoy the sunshine while it last boys.
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greener Grass?? - Pay Rise??
There isn't much grass in the desert, but where is the grass greener at the moment?
The pay award at DXB may not be great, but there isn't that much money floating about for Dubai government organisations - there is still billions of dirhams in debt to pay off.
The customer takes a business view of life. Whilst the current package continues to attract sufficient numbers of suitably experienced controllers, the customer will struggle to understand why they should fork out for larger pay rises.
Is it worth all the hassle of recruiting more & more ATCOs replacing those who have resigned & are resigning, instead of merely keeping the present ATCOs happy & retaining stability at the same time?
We`re a fairly realistic bunch in Dubai and the main concern has more to do with the fairly dubious way in which individual pay awards have been decided rather than the amount.
Instructing supervisors to rate everyone at average in their assessments as it was just a starting point for the next year and wouldn`t mean anything and then turn round and state that the only thing pay rises were based on was this assessment is a pretty poor show.
Instructing supervisors to rate everyone at average in their assessments as it was just a starting point for the next year and wouldn`t mean anything and then turn round and state that the only thing pay rises were based on was this assessment is a pretty poor show.
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Hey you guys..
I was thinking of applying for any upcoming vacancies in the UAE but this thread is starting to put me off...
Are most of you based in Dubai, Abu Dhabi or elsewhere in the Gulf region? Or in other words, what ATC units should I avoid applying for?
I was thinking of applying for any upcoming vacancies in the UAE but this thread is starting to put me off...
Are most of you based in Dubai, Abu Dhabi or elsewhere in the Gulf region? Or in other words, what ATC units should I avoid applying for?
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I see an ad in Flight for what looks like a cadetship in Dubai.Serco are the employer and training to be done in Al Ain.That's a first for Serco as they usually poach.''No qualifications'' are required.
Sounds like FUN
Sounds like FUN