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Not so many vacancies it seems
I've been 'pushing the doors' and trying in vain to secure an ATCO post in the UAE. The impression I'm getting is that there isn't necessarily a big demand for ATCOs there at the moment. So far, I've discovered that there are around 20 applications from ATCOs seeking a job at Abu Dhabi and only 2 vacancies. Ras Al Khaimah are introducing radar this summer but are fully staffed. I got no joy from Dubai either.
I'm told that there may be opportunities at Sharjah which is Tower only but I'm really looking for a Tower/APR mix. It seems that the number of units where you can do both is forever reducing.
For those who are controlling in the sand pit, how easy is it to move between units? Would it be worthwhile considering a post in Sharjah for a few years with a view to making the side-ways step to the likes of OMAA or OMDB after a while or is this very unlikely?
Any suggestions or advice appreciated.
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I'm told that there may be opportunities at Sharjah which is Tower only but I'm really looking for a Tower/APR mix. It seems that the number of units where you can do both is forever reducing.
For those who are controlling in the sand pit, how easy is it to move between units? Would it be worthwhile considering a post in Sharjah for a few years with a view to making the side-ways step to the likes of OMAA or OMDB after a while or is this very unlikely?
Any suggestions or advice appreciated.
Feel free to PM.
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Desert Hunter - I wouldn't bank on a move from unit to unit, but it has been done before. I know of moves from Al Ain and Abu Dhabi to Dubai, and a current Sharjah guy is apparently moving to Dubai, all on the ex-pat side. At least one local has moved units too, and for them that's a change of employer.
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Sharjah sign you up for a 3year contract and you stuck there. GCAA only allow 3year inactive license and then it expires, so the 3 years they make you sign, is actually a catch, cos there is no guarentee for a transfer and they will use that as an excuse to keep you there. salary for new recruits is 20000dhs/month takehome, 90000dhs/pa housing and a 30000dhs for furniture. All controllers working for few years dont even get 90000k for housing, only between 55k and 90k. Each and everyone gets a different allowance. And all the filthy old furniture that were in storage, were given to the older staff as a bonus. They still waiting on the increase that was due in January.
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Just be informed that recently a Yank has been told very nicely that, it's most probable that he won't get an offer due to his age.........
Although he was indirectly told this, he was also told that you never know what the future holds......
Perhaps SERCO are already gearing up for the mass exodus in the coming future.....
Oh how ......
INDISPENSABLE........................
Although he was indirectly told this, he was also told that you never know what the future holds......
Perhaps SERCO are already gearing up for the mass exodus in the coming future.....
Oh how ......
INDISPENSABLE........................
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Addendum Re the six from the east (Malaysia): Two were ready for validation, two didn't think it was a worthwhile exercise and two would not have validated.
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I have a feeling their OJTI's will disagree quite strongly with you on this
Handing my license in at the start of each shift in a hope of getting it back at the end was the norm, and I supposedly had one of the best ones with 22 years on the job to his name!!
Personally, I would have scrubbed him end week 2, that would have saved my hair loss and drinking problem setting in (no comments from the cheap seats
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Verci
Fox3
I believe I rest my case, Verci!!
Maybe you were too busy thinking about Theakston's instead of actually paying attention to what was going on at your unit
On what information do you base your interesting supposition re the 'six malaysians?'
Handing my license in at the start of each shift in a hope of getting it back at the end was the norm, and I supposedly had one of the best ones with 22 years on the job to his name!!
Personally, I would have scrubbed him end week 2, that would have saved my hair loss and drinking problem setting in (no comments from the cheap seats )!!
Personally, I would have scrubbed him end week 2, that would have saved my hair loss and drinking problem setting in (no comments from the cheap seats )!!
Maybe you were too busy thinking about Theakston's instead of actually paying attention to what was going on at your unit
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I appreciate your concern for details, but it seems I have to repeat myself already:
I don't really care what the DG or other managers at the time thought, I think the comments from people who actually worked with this group (OJTI's) speak for themselves.
The 'six' were the responsibility of the unit training section and I only repeat the information that was given to me at the time. The DG of the time will confirm that he was given this brief as well.
I would suggest that you pursue your case and seek full details either with the then training section or the aforementioned DG.
I would suggest that you pursue your case and seek full details either with the then training section or the aforementioned DG.
I have a feeling their OJTI's will disagree quite strongly with you on this
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@ Fox3snapshot
Hei mate, I guess you'd better focus on the experiment from the East, down @ your ACC, as you don't have any idea wats gonna happen up the road, next door!
And I stand to agree on what has been posted, by prowler, & that you'd be surprised on the personnel planning to walk out & away from the pit!
Although we are told that we are sort of 'over-staffed', we will still need to RETAIN personnel from resigning, either goin back home or else......off to ASA.......
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Perhaps SERCO are already gearing up for the mass exodus in the coming future.....
You really don't have a clue do you prowler
Perhaps SERCO are already gearing up for the mass exodus in the coming future.....
You really don't have a clue do you prowler
And I stand to agree on what has been posted, by prowler, & that you'd be surprised on the personnel planning to walk out & away from the pit!
Although we are told that we are sort of 'over-staffed', we will still need to RETAIN personnel from resigning, either goin back home or else......off to ASA.......
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Vercingetorix:
Who knows? Maybe you should direct that question to the manager in charge of operations at the time. He should be able to answer you quite quickly
Why no SMS case?
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And I stand to agree on what has been posted, by prowler, & that you'd be surprised on the personnel planning to walk out & away from the pit!
Probably best get that cleared up before I restate my position cause it ain't the consensus at mine
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Tin-Bullet,
I assume you are referring to Dubai. Would you like to enlighten us all as to why there are people planning to walk?
RD
I assume you are referring to Dubai. Would you like to enlighten us all as to why there are people planning to walk?
RD
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The ACC is well behind Dubai in either the understanding of, or the implementation, of an ICAO standard Safety Management System
, time will show if anything will change for the better. Make mine a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
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Out for a while
I think it is enough!!!!!
In FAA/NATS they do not recognise or give opportunity to any foreign national. But the problem with ME is that the opportunities are given to controllers from few selected countries;;; unfortunately by the persons who are from these countries and are in decision making postions. Personally I would not prefer to go to ME . But I certainly wish this monopoly is done away with.
I think it is unfair to quote case of Malaysian controllers; I know there will be numerous examples of controllers from the selcted countries;;; not reaching the standard. Controllers are good or bad independent of where they come from. I know if you come and handle traffic in India ( I am sure that time will also come) ; you will also struggle to meet the Standard or QRs.
It is a clear case of internal/international politics;;; you wanted to prove yourselves right.
Already a sense of insecurity.
In cricket it takes only one ball to get world's greatest batsman out;; Likewise in ATC it takes only one lapse of concentration to lose your license, however good you have been in your whole career. There are no best/worst controllers; it is an art by which you apply ICAO standards. These standard are same everywhere i.e. 3 or 5 miles in radar are same everywhere. All controllers share same passion and pride in their work.
CHEERS AND GOOD LUCK
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I sympathise with those not considered for jobs here due to the country they are from. It of course wouldn't happen with big companies like NATS or the FAA... oh hang on my license isn't recognised there so I can't get a job with them.
As I said not there fault but to say that the Malaysian experiment was anything other than a complete disaster (that put a lot of OJTIs licenses on the line for no good reason (not to mention the safety of the flying public)) is taking the mickey big time
My understanding was that the training section management at the time did not want this experiment to happen but if they protested too much it would be taken as expats just protecting their own fat pay packets, so instead they had to let nature run it's course (which it did).
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Hei mate, I guess you'd better focus on the experiment from the East, down @ your ACC, as you don't have any idea wats gonna happen up the road, next door!
worlds best ATCO's don't have a clue what cricket is!
CHEERS AND GOOD LUCK
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