NATS Pay Rise for 2009
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Well you might wonder, Del Prado.
What water is muddied where I have been, exactly?
Concentrate on the task at hand and let's see what's muddied and what's not, shall we?
What water is muddied where I have been, exactly?
Concentrate on the task at hand and let's see what's muddied and what's not, shall we?
So you're unwilling to divulge your aviation background or experience?
I'm not asking you to identify yourself, just your level of knowledge so I know how much credence to give your posts.
As for the waters that are being muddied, a quick look at your previous posts should give a clue, I seem to remember you had quite an arguement with the Heathrow guys on here about the safety of their operation after the BBC's 'expose'. You have since inflammed many experience posters in the BA emergency descent thread to the point their (and your) posts were deleted.
Are you in any way involved in commercial flying, air traffic control or an employee of NATS?
I'm not asking you to identify yourself, just your level of knowledge so I know how much credence to give your posts.
As for the waters that are being muddied, a quick look at your previous posts should give a clue, I seem to remember you had quite an arguement with the Heathrow guys on here about the safety of their operation after the BBC's 'expose'. You have since inflammed many experience posters in the BA emergency descent thread to the point their (and your) posts were deleted.
Are you in any way involved in commercial flying, air traffic control or an employee of NATS?
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Del Prado, is this an official 'collar' or are you simply self-appointed Lions' Den police? I take it the toxic Rainboe is an experienced mate of yours, one not predisposed to being inflammed (sic)? 
Does one in fact need aviation experience to comment on NATS bit of CAAPS, or indeed to comment on the fate of one of the few good defined benefit schemes left in the UK?
I repeat what water is muddied when I comment out of the ether? Happens all the time old chap in aviation, and ATC folks tend to be the best at making sense of unidentified transmissions
So then, Negative Transponder to you, Sir ... and no reg, type, departure, destination, altitude or heading ... identifying turns only ... I am sure you can cope with that? It's not controlled airspace, is it ?
Does one in fact need aviation experience to comment on NATS bit of CAAPS, or indeed to comment on the fate of one of the few good defined benefit schemes left in the UK?
I repeat what water is muddied when I comment out of the ether? Happens all the time old chap in aviation, and ATC folks tend to be the best at making sense of unidentified transmissions
So then, Negative Transponder to you, Sir ... and no reg, type, departure, destination, altitude or heading ... identifying turns only ... I am sure you can cope with that? It's not controlled airspace, is it ?
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Various forum posts( below) confirm probably not ATCO/NATS
http://www.pprune.org/search.php?searchid=3826135
But it's a public forum.....so I guess we should not attempt to judge "slip and turn"
I think the RED BARRON has done a good job (bonuses) of muddying the waters since his reign
And remember this, he will jump ship with a shed load of money after he has shafted us
http://www.pprune.org/search.php?searchid=3826135
But it's a public forum.....so I guess we should not attempt to judge "slip and turn"
I think the RED BARRON has done a good job (bonuses) of muddying the waters since his reign
And remember this, he will jump ship with a shed load of money after he has shafted us
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I am flattered, Air Farce. You guys crack me up
You're like children in a playground - is there any hope of anyone ever working out how to use the dry powder or surviving a thousand cuts when you scuttle around lke this?
oo..er..look at DP now getting out of her pram two posts below this one ... amazing stuff from a member of the breed
You're like children in a playground - is there any hope of anyone ever working out how to use the dry powder or surviving a thousand cuts when you scuttle around lke this?
oo..er..look at DP now getting out of her pram two posts below this one ... amazing stuff from a member of the breed
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Lets hope so 
but I might not be NATS or ATCO either 
Which reminds me of a story where a guy joined a Medical forum and ended up giving Medical lectures to students in the good old USA. He made a successful career till it was discovered his only medical expertise was taking an asprin !
but I might not be NATS or ATCO either Which reminds me of a story where a guy joined a Medical forum and ended up giving Medical lectures to students in the good old USA. He made a successful career till it was discovered his only medical expertise was taking an asprin !
Slip and Turn, Rainboe is not a 'mate' of mine although he does seem to know what he's talking about.
A quick glance at the "Heathrow Separation" thread from March shows you arguing with zkdli, anotherthing, roffa and pointseven. (There maybe more but I stopped skimming at page 4.)
As far as i can tell they are all NATS controllers yet you still tried to argue with them when you don't seem to have the fainest grasp of basic ATC. If you want to contribute you could at least have the good grace to listen to the experts.
I should just find the 'ignore' button as so many of my colleagues seem to have done.
Sorry for the thread hijack folks.
A quick glance at the "Heathrow Separation" thread from March shows you arguing with zkdli, anotherthing, roffa and pointseven. (There maybe more but I stopped skimming at page 4.)
As far as i can tell they are all NATS controllers yet you still tried to argue with them when you don't seem to have the fainest grasp of basic ATC. If you want to contribute you could at least have the good grace to listen to the experts.
I should just find the 'ignore' button as so many of my colleagues seem to have done.
Sorry for the thread hijack folks.
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@777 & AF: Slip and Turn may wind you up but it doesn't seem to take much to do that, now does it? Any news on pensions or powder, or just twiddling your thumbs waiting to be spoon-fed?
I must say that guy looks happy in his work and ready for something - there's a lot to be said for both outlooks
I must say that guy looks happy in his work and ready for something - there's a lot to be said for both outlooks
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Well I guess that's as good as its gonna get in my direction, Vercingetorix, thank you! Anyway, good luck with the pensions chaps. I am just a teenzy bit envious, but I don't want to see your scheme damaged as that might be the beginning of the end for so many others' pension prospects, and not just in aviation.
Would be interesting to see the gist of the NTUS statement, however.
Would be interesting to see the gist of the NTUS statement, however.
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To the layman it seems fairly simple.
If the Red, Red, Barron comes bob, bob, bobbing along, and gets a 12% pay rise, then NATS employees should expect nothing more, nothing less than this figure.
He is your leader and allegedly trumpets a 'leadership model'.
Follow the leader.
If the Red, Red, Barron comes bob, bob, bobbing along, and gets a 12% pay rise, then NATS employees should expect nothing more, nothing less than this figure.
He is your leader and allegedly trumpets a 'leadership model'.
Follow the leader.
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I hope that the higher band units that are finally getting a taste of the very nasty medicine that has been dished out to the lower band units,get a grip here.Now is the chance to square up to this Nats management lot.The lower band units haven't been able to because we have been out voted.
If the higher band units kowtow to this,then we are totally F
ked.
It's up to the units with the muscle to show that,for once.Don't let everyone else down.
If the higher band units kowtow to this,then we are totally F
ked.It's up to the units with the muscle to show that,for once.Don't let everyone else down.
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Pensions are more important than any payrise
But this is a NATS Pay Rise thread
As far as I'm aware, our pay deal for next year isn't being negotiated subject to any agreement over the pension.
And it never fails to amaze me that the people who criticise anyone who has the audacity to mention banding tend to be sitting in their ivory towers on a nice Band 5 salary.
The day that Banding was accepted was the day that management saw they could divide us because that's exactly what it has done.
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It may be entitled "2009 payrise" but, for whatever reason, 99% of the discussion has turned to pensions. If you don't like it I suggest you start another thread rather than trying to get the mods to make this an exclusive payrise thread. Get it edited and see what remains of the thread...most people, yourself excluded obviously, couldn't give a toss about the payrise...they want the pension sorted.
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If you don't like it I suggest you start another thread rather than trying to get the mods to make this an exclusive payrise thread.
Mr 777,
Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I was always under the impression that when a thread had a title, then the conversation within that thread tended to relate to the title.
If you want a Pensions thread, then might I respectfully ask that you start one.
I don't think your speaking for the majority of people when you say that people
couldn't give a toss about the payrise
However, what your missing is that this thread was started with reference to Pay negotiations NOT pension negotiations. And if a thread is started about Pay, then it would suggest that, actually, people COULD give a toss about the pay negotiations.
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So does anybody who's visited Planet Earth recently (apologies to Captain Blackadder) really believe that an RPI + 4% - 6% pay offer can be negotiated...? And if there is a strike, I just hope Prospect's coffers are deep enough to subsidise its striking members for long enough...
