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It looks like this new staffing policy is subject to a lot of discussions...
This also sheds a new light on cancellation of international recruitments, the visa issue was perhaps only an excuse...
Has there been a change in management recently ?
How can it be possible that they made such a huge mistake in staffing numbers (previously or now) ?
Or is there something else ? Automation ? privatisation ?
This also sheds a new light on cancellation of international recruitments, the visa issue was perhaps only an excuse...
Has there been a change in management recently ?
How can it be possible that they made such a huge mistake in staffing numbers (previously or now) ?
Or is there something else ? Automation ? privatisation ?
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I completed the recruitment process and was deemed successful last October. Placed on a merit list waiting commencement of a course. Today I received an email saying they have moved the goal posts and I am no longer successful. I now have to tell my little girl that Daddy didn't get his new job and we won't get a new house. I am devastated. Thanks a lot you pack of arseholes.
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Keep your head up 50 50, I know it's disappointing but I'm sure the decision was made very high up in the chain. Given how long this recruitment process has spanned, maybe they have decided to start fresh for later this year, in which case you'd be pretty confident in your application considering how far you got last time.
On a separate note, and I hate to bring this up at such a time, but is there anyone controllers who could shed some light on typical rosters for tower controllers are at present? I know things have been posted in the past but we're talking 5+ years ago from what I can see.
Also, for those who have just completed training int the past 12 months, how successful were you with tower posting location preferences?
I'm looking at this as a potential career some time down the track and am curious as to how rosters and postings stack up against airline pilots, which was quite ad hoc and largely dependent on rank/experience.
Appreciate the help!
On a separate note, and I hate to bring this up at such a time, but is there anyone controllers who could shed some light on typical rosters for tower controllers are at present? I know things have been posted in the past but we're talking 5+ years ago from what I can see.
Also, for those who have just completed training int the past 12 months, how successful were you with tower posting location preferences?
I'm looking at this as a potential career some time down the track and am curious as to how rosters and postings stack up against airline pilots, which was quite ad hoc and largely dependent on rank/experience.
Appreciate the help!
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Re: Application – Air Traffic Controller Traineeship
Firstly, thank you for your application and sincere apologies for the delay in responding to you.
Airservices has undergone an operational transformation program which has delayed recruitment activities for all areas of the business.
As such, we wish to inform you as part of the transformation program, we have reduced the number of traineeships which has resulted in your application results being recalibrated against our key selection criteria.
Unfortunately on this occasion, you have been unsuccessful in your application.
We wish to acknowledge the calibre of applications received were assessed under our strict technical and competency criteria which meant that only a very small portion i.e. 3% of the candidate profile group were successful in their application.
We thank you for your time, effort and dedication in completing the online application, telephone interview, OPQ testing and attending the Assessment Centre.
We wish you every success with your future career endeavours and strongly encourage you to re-apply in the near future. We anticipate the next intake for the Traineeship Program will take place on or about late 2017.
Yours sincerely,
People Services
Airservices Australia Pty Ltd
Jack, the visa issue was coincident with the push to massively cut expenditure. ATC was removed from the list of eligible occupations making it much more difficult and much more expensive to obtain a visa, so recruitment of experienced foreign controllers would have almost certainly stopped regardless of the expenditure cuts.
No mistake in numbers required as we still need more in the long term - our age profile is rather top heavy with many set to retire in 5 to 10 years.
Such cuts go in cycles - new manager makes deep cuts to impress the bean counters then the organisation slowly expands over 15 or so years. Rinse and repeat.
50 50, to be fair those were about your odds of passing the course and gaining a rating. Bit premature talking about new job and new house.
No mistake in numbers required as we still need more in the long term - our age profile is rather top heavy with many set to retire in 5 to 10 years.
Such cuts go in cycles - new manager makes deep cuts to impress the bean counters then the organisation slowly expands over 15 or so years. Rinse and repeat.
50 50, to be fair those were about your odds of passing the course and gaining a rating. Bit premature talking about new job and new house.
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Jack, the visa issue was coincident with the push to massively cut expenditure. ATC was removed from the list of eligible occupations making it much more difficult and much more expensive to obtain a visa, so recruitment of experienced foreign controllers would have almost certainly stopped regardless of the expenditure cuts.
No mistake in numbers required as we still need more in the long term - our age profile is rather top heavy with many set to retire in 5 to 10 years.
Such cuts go in cycles - new manager makes deep cuts to impress the bean counters then the organisation slowly expands over 15 or so years. Rinse and repeat.
50 50, to be fair those were about your odds of passing the course and gaining a rating. Bit premature talking about new job and new house.
No mistake in numbers required as we still need more in the long term - our age profile is rather top heavy with many set to retire in 5 to 10 years.
Such cuts go in cycles - new manager makes deep cuts to impress the bean counters then the organisation slowly expands over 15 or so years. Rinse and repeat.
50 50, to be fair those were about your odds of passing the course and gaining a rating. Bit premature talking about new job and new house.
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There very well may be, but I have wasted enough of my time with these people. If this is the regard they have for people and their future then I think I will be better off elsewhere. Re applying would only invite a further waste of my valuable time. Good luck to those who prevailed. I have attached their heartfelt email for you perusal.
Re: Application – Air Traffic Controller Traineeship
Firstly, thank you for your application and sincere apologies for the delay in responding to you.
Airservices has undergone an operational transformation program which has delayed recruitment activities for all areas of the business.
As such, we wish to inform you as part of the transformation program, we have reduced the number of traineeships which has resulted in your application results being recalibrated against our key selection criteria.
Unfortunately on this occasion, you have been unsuccessful in your application.
We wish to acknowledge the calibre of applications received were assessed under our strict technical and competency criteria which meant that only a very small portion i.e. 3% of the candidate profile group were successful in their application.
We thank you for your time, effort and dedication in completing the online application, telephone interview, OPQ testing and attending the Assessment Centre.
We wish you every success with your future career endeavours and strongly encourage you to re-apply in the near future. We anticipate the next intake for the Traineeship Program will take place on or about late 2017.
Yours sincerely,
People Services
Airservices Australia Pty Ltd
Re: Application – Air Traffic Controller Traineeship
Firstly, thank you for your application and sincere apologies for the delay in responding to you.
Airservices has undergone an operational transformation program which has delayed recruitment activities for all areas of the business.
As such, we wish to inform you as part of the transformation program, we have reduced the number of traineeships which has resulted in your application results being recalibrated against our key selection criteria.
Unfortunately on this occasion, you have been unsuccessful in your application.
We wish to acknowledge the calibre of applications received were assessed under our strict technical and competency criteria which meant that only a very small portion i.e. 3% of the candidate profile group were successful in their application.
We thank you for your time, effort and dedication in completing the online application, telephone interview, OPQ testing and attending the Assessment Centre.
We wish you every success with your future career endeavours and strongly encourage you to re-apply in the near future. We anticipate the next intake for the Traineeship Program will take place on or about late 2017.
Yours sincerely,
People Services
Airservices Australia Pty Ltd
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Thank you for the responses, and my commiserations to those who have found themselves in a similar situation. I have today received a response from Air Services advising that they have undergone a significant change in program resulting in a reduction in the number of spots for the ATC traineeship program hence the reassessment against their key selection criteria - which they refer to as a 're-calibration process'. They are otherwise not in a position to provide any individual feedback in regards to which aspect of my assessments to date resulted in my 're-calibrated' results making my application now unsuccessful. They have 'understood' my disappointment, thanked me for my understanding and patience ,and strongly encouraged me to apply in the near future, with the next intake anticipated in late 2017.
I agree with previous posters that I have no issue with Air Services setting or raising the bar, but it is how they handled the issue in these circumstances where they had previously advised applicants that they had advanced in the recruitment process, to do an about face some 10 months later, due to their own internal operational issues (and arguably poor management).
I agree with LFVA's views that is is in bad taste, and reflects poorly on a prospective employer to treat people as discardable and replaceable in the circumstances that they have.
Overall though, I am happy to have received this insight into the organisation at this stage, rather than progressing to a traineeship or further and then discovering their standards and operating procedures.
Thank you again to all that have contributed to this thread, and also provided recent insight and commiserations in regards to be treated in a similar manner.
From a personal perspective I don't anticipate reapplying or otherwise pursuing any form of employment with Air Services in the foreseeable future.
I agree with previous posters that I have no issue with Air Services setting or raising the bar, but it is how they handled the issue in these circumstances where they had previously advised applicants that they had advanced in the recruitment process, to do an about face some 10 months later, due to their own internal operational issues (and arguably poor management).
I agree with LFVA's views that is is in bad taste, and reflects poorly on a prospective employer to treat people as discardable and replaceable in the circumstances that they have.
Overall though, I am happy to have received this insight into the organisation at this stage, rather than progressing to a traineeship or further and then discovering their standards and operating procedures.
Thank you again to all that have contributed to this thread, and also provided recent insight and commiserations in regards to be treated in a similar manner.
From a personal perspective I don't anticipate reapplying or otherwise pursuing any form of employment with Air Services in the foreseeable future.
50_50 You can take heart from the words "strongly encourage". That can be code for we think you have potential to make it next time around if you apply again.
But be careful of your choice of words. Your potential fit with the organisation's culture is also a consideration in the selection process. Bagging an organisation and displaying bitterness before they even hire you is a good way to shut the gate on yourself.
But be careful of your choice of words. Your potential fit with the organisation's culture is also a consideration in the selection process. Bagging an organisation and displaying bitterness before they even hire you is a good way to shut the gate on yourself.
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Hi everyone,
Sorry to steer away from the topic but are there any air traffic controllers that are currently working in Tower and can provide some information on the work roster and postings after the course? I understand there is information earlier in this thread but I suspect it may be out of date.
In particular, once you finish the course how likely would you be to get a tower basing in your own state? Also, with respect to roster, is it typically something like two mornings, two afternoons, two night followed by 2-3 days off? This seems to be a trend i'm seing for enroute.
Any feedback would be appreciated, I don't have any contacts in the industry.
Thank!
Sorry to steer away from the topic but are there any air traffic controllers that are currently working in Tower and can provide some information on the work roster and postings after the course? I understand there is information earlier in this thread but I suspect it may be out of date.
In particular, once you finish the course how likely would you be to get a tower basing in your own state? Also, with respect to roster, is it typically something like two mornings, two afternoons, two night followed by 2-3 days off? This seems to be a trend i'm seing for enroute.
Any feedback would be appreciated, I don't have any contacts in the industry.
Thank!
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Interesting, there was another post that has been deleted. It mentioned how the reduced number of trainees will result in a better 1 on 1 training ratio and hence, possibly, a better pass rate. Also indicated that it is a career for life and how 2 years for a recruitment process was a "drop in the bucket".
Perhaps, but it has already been just about 2 years, wait another 6 months for them to re-advertise, minimum 6 -12 months recruitment process and then an indeterminate wait we are talking a 4 year process to even start a course, then another 18-21 months before you "possibly" gain a license.
I'm 35 now, they won't even want me by the time that process is over. In the time I have spent waiting on their merit list I could have achieved a diploma in any other discipline. I'm ok with not meeting the standard but time is valuable to me. Money I can make, but I can't get back the wasted time.
It would seem I am not the only one that has been given the good news, and I genuinely feel for all of you. But I agree with at least one other poster, I will not be applying for any position with Airservices in the future.
Perhaps, but it has already been just about 2 years, wait another 6 months for them to re-advertise, minimum 6 -12 months recruitment process and then an indeterminate wait we are talking a 4 year process to even start a course, then another 18-21 months before you "possibly" gain a license.
I'm 35 now, they won't even want me by the time that process is over. In the time I have spent waiting on their merit list I could have achieved a diploma in any other discipline. I'm ok with not meeting the standard but time is valuable to me. Money I can make, but I can't get back the wasted time.
It would seem I am not the only one that has been given the good news, and I genuinely feel for all of you. But I agree with at least one other poster, I will not be applying for any position with Airservices in the future.
I agree it's a crappy way to treat applicants. Unfortunately for you, applicants aren't in short supply.
The problem is that the number of courses being run each year has been reduced considerably so assuming they kept the larger pool of trainees in the queue many of you would be waiting several more years for a course anyway.
With respect to age, there is no discrimination - you're judged against a standard which you either meet or don't. That said age is a disadvantage simply because the older you are the harder it is to keep up with the pace of the training.
The problem is that the number of courses being run each year has been reduced considerably so assuming they kept the larger pool of trainees in the queue many of you would be waiting several more years for a course anyway.
With respect to age, there is no discrimination - you're judged against a standard which you either meet or don't. That said age is a disadvantage simply because the older you are the harder it is to keep up with the pace of the training.
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Late 2017
Hi all
A very useful thread, many thanks. I understand that recruitment and training has slowed considerably with a few posts above indicating a 'late 2017' intake.
Does this proposed timeline pertain to the next training intake or the opening of recruitment to applications? I understand it is a lengthy process from there.
Thanks in advance.
CTO
A very useful thread, many thanks. I understand that recruitment and training has slowed considerably with a few posts above indicating a 'late 2017' intake.
Does this proposed timeline pertain to the next training intake or the opening of recruitment to applications? I understand it is a lengthy process from there.
Thanks in advance.
CTO
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Hi CTO,
I'm going to say applications in late 2017 since there hasn't been an application period since the beginning of last year. That's just my thought, but based on current circumstances I really don't have much idea.
Forrest
I'm going to say applications in late 2017 since there hasn't been an application period since the beginning of last year. That's just my thought, but based on current circumstances I really don't have much idea.
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Hi Forrest
Thanks for your thoughts, it's exactly what I was thinking but figured I'd ask the question.
I'll just keep a regular eye on the website and see what happens.
Thanks again
CTO
Thanks for your thoughts, it's exactly what I was thinking but figured I'd ask the question.
I'll just keep a regular eye on the website and see what happens.
Thanks again
CTO
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Air Traffic Controller Career Help
Hey guys,
I've spent the past 15 years in various areas of aviation and am really interested in Air Traffic Control. I'd really like to find out a lot more about it (other than what's on the forums and AsA website) but unfortunately I don't know any ATCs.
Is there anyone that would be kind enough to answer a couple of quick questions I have via email? Just things to do with the job details, rosters and career pathways.
Thanks, any help whatsoever would be really appreciative!
Scott.
I've spent the past 15 years in various areas of aviation and am really interested in Air Traffic Control. I'd really like to find out a lot more about it (other than what's on the forums and AsA website) but unfortunately I don't know any ATCs.
Is there anyone that would be kind enough to answer a couple of quick questions I have via email? Just things to do with the job details, rosters and career pathways.
Thanks, any help whatsoever would be really appreciative!
Scott.
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