Airservices Australia Psychometric Testing

[Plazbot]

Thanks Pete, I never went to Canadia but took the UAE ACC gig a couple of years ago. I just landed back in D-Town from Brisbane this morning after twenty of my sixty days days leave. Hearing what I hear, seeing what I see and reading what I read not just about AsA but the country in general, I might just stay put. I kept associate membership of Civil Air so read the forums there from time to time. Some pretty disappointing stuff that I wont bore the readers with on both sides of the fence. Applicants will be best served to just believe what they want and find out for themseles.

[DirtyPierre]

Plaz,

So you went to Aisle 5! Mate, if you want to come back, you could tell those above me where you'd like to go. We are short everywhere.

Drop me an email from time to time mate. It would be good to catch up.

DP

[hiltonbaby]

ask23

While I am not an assessor or involved in any way with the recruitment process I have been in for a decade or two and I at least I have learn't to know how to take advice. If you carry your attitude with you to the learning academy and then, should you make it through into the field I would suggest that your chances are slim. An explosive approach to advice will be contrary to the help you will desperately need. Suggesting advice is offensive has got an enormous tag of ' I do not belong here'. I'd save my 300 bucks and go see centrelink. Your circumstances have been seen a thousand times before and while applicants aren't as thick on the ground as people think there are still plenty of choices.

[le Pingouin]

ask23, read what willadvise said again & think very hard.

Fly down on the day & there's a very good chance you'll arrive late for the test, even if the flight arrives on time. Rushing around like a blue @rsed fly (& you certainly will be) isn't good preparation for anything let alone a full on day of testing.

The choice is yours but seriously, you're not doing yourself any favours.

[Fatty182]

ask23, while "utter madness" might be a bit harsh, willadvise is pretty much bang on otherwise. 8.05 will be the time the plane touches down (if you're lucky), not when you get off the plane. By the time you taxi to the gate, file off the plane, run through the terminal to the cab rank, you'll be lucky if it's earlier than 8.25. I'm in Melbourne on the course at the moment and I fly home a bit, and I tell my wife to show up 20 minutes after the arrival time, as that's usually when I'm standing out the front ready, and that's at 10, 11 at night even.

Having said that, if you persist with that particular flight, it'd be lucky to be a 5-10 minute cab ride. It's not far, just by the time they weave their way through all the morning traffic at the airport, and get to ASA, you're gonna be late no matter which way you slice it

As you said, we don't know your circumstances, but we do know the testing. I would in the strongest way suggest getting there the day before if you can to give it your best shot.

[ask23]

Red Eye Flight

Thanks for all the advice guys. My initial response was a bit harsh I presume. My apologies to willadvice. I rescheduled my flight and am looking for a cheapish place to stay near the airport in Brizzie. Suggestions are most welcome!

[Plazbot]

Formula 1 Motel is just outside the Airport area and is $89/night the sign I saw said. You could opt to stay further away and catch the Train to avoid an expensive taxi fare. The train is (was?) not all that cheap but is not robbery like Brisbane cabs. There is a train station at the domestic terminal and you can(could?) easily walk to the centre if that is where the interviews are.

[Spider27]

Update

Applied for:
Job ID: 492434 – People & Change - Air Traffic Controller in Training 2011 - Nationally

Early July: submitted my job application, including resume.
Early August: Completed online SHL tests.
Was really happy with how I went, except for the numerical reasoning test.
Currently Mid August: Waiting for a Email regarding Phone interview.
Does anyone know if we didn't get through to the phone interview, will we still receive an email informing us of this?
Thanks and good luck all

Update: Received an email, Success! Woot
Notified to keep an eye on my email for an invitation to select a time and date for the phone interview.

The email suggests that the phone interview times are dependent on location.
"We arrange telephone interviews based on your location and when we are holding assessment centres in that location next."

Thanks, and hope everyone in my postion also had a happy outcome.
Cheers

[ask23]

Hotel

Tnx Plaz, booked the Formula 1, much appreciated. Anyone else here who
is gonna stay there for the test in the second week of September? we might be able to catch up the day before the test.....

[mikethepomme]

People & Change = HR

Terminal to ASA is about 500-1000m depending on what terminal u come out from. You'd be able to walk it pretty easily in 5 minutes. Head towards the tower.

[sjonly1]

Hi all,

So glad that I found this forum :-)
I recently applied for the ATC program.. (hopefully in Melbourne)

Early July: Application in
Early August: Email invitation for online assessment
Early August: Online assessment completed
Mid August: Email received advising of successful online assessment

So now I am waiting on the next email regarding phone interview times.
I believe the whole process up to this point has been quick compare to others in this forum.

Still very excited about passing the online assessment stage and very eager to progress!

Anyway, best of luck to all of us!

[jetdownunder]

Hi Ask,

Good run in you had there with your Dutch background (being very direct, upfront, defensive etc. Often perceived as rude, too strong and outspoken in Australia). I know, I've been there many times. But good on you for taking the advice so swiftly. I know you absolutely meant well and didn't mean to be so defensive...I still get caught by the differences in communication etc from time to time and have learned so much in that regard, especially professionally.

Absolutely much better idea to come the day before. For myself, I want to have done everything I can to peak perform today.
Yes, it's today!!!! I'm very excited and slightly nervous.
Keep sending the good vibes!!
I'll let you all know how I went.

[jetdownunder]

Test day over.
Tired
I gave it everything, cldnt have done different
Just very hard to know how I did.
Results in appr 4 weeks.
Ohhh, I want this so badly!
Will keep you posted.

[ELone]

Success! :)

Woo hoo just got an offer for the tower course starting 21st November. So excited, now just have to get medical done.
For anyone who wants to know I attended the assessment centre in Melbourne on July 19 so offer came just over a month after. Hope others attending the same week as me have had some good news as well. Good luck to all.

[ergaster2]

ELone:
Congratulations on getting into the tower course. Did you specifically apply for Tower, as opposed to Enroute, or did you go through the same process as everybody else and then get asked to do Tower?

Let us know what the process is for Medical, I heard it can take up to three months (can't see why, no matter how many tests one has to get done - perhaps it's for the CASA paperwork?) I do have a couple of medical concerns that from what I read on the CASA site shouldn't disqualify me but I'm still a bit nervous about them, so I'm wondering if it's worth trying to begin the process now to save time if (when!) I get the offer (I wouldn't want to quit my current job until my ATC offer was definite).

jetdownunder: yeah, i feel the same way. I think I could have done better on one of the tests, but hopefully we all did well enough to get in :-)

[ELone]

ergaster2: Same application process for both enroute and tower, I was simply asked when I got the offer which course I wanted to be placed on.

I think most of the time involved in the medical is CASA taking their time with paperwork. You will also be required to undergo a drug and alcohol screening for Airservices Australia. I also had a minor concern about the medical, but I rang CASA and spoke to one of the doctors who approves the medicals and was assured it would not be an issue. I would not try to start the medical process yet as Airservices Aus. will give you someone to help you organise it all, just their procedure I guess.

Also try not to worry too much about how you did on the tests, I felt exactly like that, that there were some things I could have done better. They are not looking for perfection, just testing whether you have the right aptitudes for the job.
Good luck and I hope you have some good news soon.

[Fatty182]

Egraster2: if it's not too personal, what concerns do you have? I had concerns regarding my hearing for example, but for my own peace of mind, I went and had a test done myself to prove I was fine (to myself at least )

I didn't have any problem with my medical other than CASA sending me a letter saying they weren't going to process it without payment (which ASA is supposed to pay) so I just paid it and got reimbursed when I started. But yeah, if there is a delay, it does seem to be with CASA.

[ergaster2]

Fatty: Thanks for your answer. I have a congenital kidney condition. I don't see why that should be a problem for ASA as it certainly doesn't mean I'll die suddenly (or young). What I read (briefly, a while back) on the CASA website seemed to say that it shouldn't disqualify me but I'd need to go for further tests (because it can sometimes be associated with other problems).

I also had slight concerns about my hearing, but if you're saying it's not that difficult I should be fine. It's not normally a problem for me, unless they try to run the Control out of a crowded pub.

Was the test expensive? Seems like it couldn't hurt to try to get it.

So to clarify, basically you knew for certain that you were in at the end of your visit to the DAME (doctor), as you'd already have had an emailed offer, and a verbal OK from the DAME (but just not the paperwork)?

[Fatty182]

Ah ok, yeah a kidney thing is a bit more serious than mine, but if you've had a look through the CASA stuff, you should be ok. It's been a while since I had a look at that stuff, and when I did, I was scanning it with an eye out for things affecting me :P

With regards to the hearing, they listed specific levels of hearing loss that were the cutoffs, and I was close on some (having had hearing problems since I was a child) so I had a hearing test which showed I would pass the CASA requirements. I actually did that before I applied even since I didn't want to get disappointed if I was ineligible from the start! That only cost me $60 at an audiologist, but unless you know you have a diagnosed hearing problem already, you'd probably pass easy, the limits aren't too restrictive. I don't know where you live, but there is a place we had in QLD called Bay Audio that had a basic hearing test you could do for free which would tell you if you needed a further test. If you passed something like that, you'd definitely be fine.

By the time they ask you to go for a medical, they've offered you a job (well for me it was at least). Then they organise your visits to the DAME and an ophthalmologist, and the drug test. Given they pay for all that, I guess they don't want to bother on people they don't want :P

[mclovin2]

@ergaster2: I do live in Melbourne so I'd be hoping to get to that day in October. I'm in no worry at all as i'm giving it my best and will continue to persevere. Hopefully I will hear something in the near future.