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Management = slightly worse than your average large company.
By all means if it interests you, have a crack. The job is awesome. Just have a good plan B. I.e, if you can take LSL or leave without pay for 6 months, something like that.
By all means if it interests you, have a crack. The job is awesome. Just have a good plan B. I.e, if you can take LSL or leave without pay for 6 months, something like that.
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So much spin and so little facts!
I can only add to the chorus that AsA was the worst employer I have had. The best job, for the worst employer.
As to your situation: In banking, you would be well versed in risk. The sort of facts you could apply in making an assessment are
- you haven't even passed testing, interviewing etc, so are a way from making a decision
- older candidates will struggle (to make it thru the process), given the amount of service you have left in you, and the difficulty of the course
- historically, something like 50% of the candidates who start training will end up as ATCers. That is a biggie. If your starting the course is a 'point of no return', then ponder this point deeply.
You sound like you will have regrets if you do not move this forward, so, personally, I would say try it, but do a lot of work on your plan B from here on. If you consider that staying in your present position is not an option, then you won't regret changing course, whether that results in you becoming an ATC or a coffee shop owner. But I digress. Meeting actual current employees is probably the best thing you can do at this point.
the rest is as bad as bad gets.....i read on here long ago about how bad it was, thats not true-ITS MUCH WORSE!
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planesense,
Obviously on the most part, all you will find here is a helluva lot of opinion and very little fact. My two cents worth is that I believe the difficulty of the course is highly exaggerated. It really is not as hard as people on here tend to make out. Air traffic control basically just requires quick, clear thinking and the application of common sense, something that is missing when it comes to AsA management - but that is another story. (On that point, it is best to not get involved and worked up with things that don't directly affect you!) However, as others have suggested, it is wise to have a solid Plan B in place - just in case. I really find it difficult to explain why the failure rate is so high - particular during the college phase, this is not rocket science for goodness sake.
Financially speaking, it can be a burden and something you seriously need to consider - particularly if you have a family to look after. All going to plan you would be on a touch under 40k p.a for the college phase (about 11-12 months); 60k p.a for final field training (another 3 - 6 months) and 80k on gaining your initial endorsements and then jumping about 10k p.a as you progress up the salary scale.
Definitely factor all that into your decision. (based on the March 2011 salary scale - there are 2x 3% increases due by March 2012)
The job can be terribly, terribly boring at times - if you detest boredom like myself, you may not like this job. At other times (particularly during summer storms) it can be extremely challenging and mentally draining.
There are a high percentage of people who have only ever worked as an ATC and some of which can be very, very bitter and negative. This is nearly impossible to avoid when you get to the field but it is best just to entertain their misgivings and gripes and don't let yourself get sucked in to it all. Some of their complaints are fair, but a lot of the time things are blown out of proportion due to their contempt towards AsA.
I certainly don't think AsA should win any awards for being a good employer - but I do think they are better than what people here make out. As I said, a lot of these guys have only ever known this employer! IMHO, a lot of the 'issues' stem from the Certified Agreement between AsA and Civil Air being very grey in nature and open to interpretation. Only the union can be blamed for that, although the member's don't see it this way.
All in all, I guess I am trying to give you a more favourable opinion of the place - these things always tend to trend towards the negative. The happy and content generally don't bother themselves with getting involved and expressing their opinions! My personal feeling is ATC is an interesting, different and rewarding job that allows you to be part of a team, yet exercise your independence and have a high degree of personal responsibility. When you unplug at the end of your shift - you go home without a worry in the world. No deadlines to meet, no reading to do, nothing to prepare for the next day! It is fantastic in that sense.
Good luck with your testing and I wish you all the best in whatever path you decide to take. Anymore specific details/questions - feel free to pm me.
Looking forward to my not so "happy, content" colleagues to have a go at me!
Obviously on the most part, all you will find here is a helluva lot of opinion and very little fact. My two cents worth is that I believe the difficulty of the course is highly exaggerated. It really is not as hard as people on here tend to make out. Air traffic control basically just requires quick, clear thinking and the application of common sense, something that is missing when it comes to AsA management - but that is another story. (On that point, it is best to not get involved and worked up with things that don't directly affect you!) However, as others have suggested, it is wise to have a solid Plan B in place - just in case. I really find it difficult to explain why the failure rate is so high - particular during the college phase, this is not rocket science for goodness sake.
Financially speaking, it can be a burden and something you seriously need to consider - particularly if you have a family to look after. All going to plan you would be on a touch under 40k p.a for the college phase (about 11-12 months); 60k p.a for final field training (another 3 - 6 months) and 80k on gaining your initial endorsements and then jumping about 10k p.a as you progress up the salary scale.
Definitely factor all that into your decision. (based on the March 2011 salary scale - there are 2x 3% increases due by March 2012)
The job can be terribly, terribly boring at times - if you detest boredom like myself, you may not like this job. At other times (particularly during summer storms) it can be extremely challenging and mentally draining.
There are a high percentage of people who have only ever worked as an ATC and some of which can be very, very bitter and negative. This is nearly impossible to avoid when you get to the field but it is best just to entertain their misgivings and gripes and don't let yourself get sucked in to it all. Some of their complaints are fair, but a lot of the time things are blown out of proportion due to their contempt towards AsA.
I certainly don't think AsA should win any awards for being a good employer - but I do think they are better than what people here make out. As I said, a lot of these guys have only ever known this employer! IMHO, a lot of the 'issues' stem from the Certified Agreement between AsA and Civil Air being very grey in nature and open to interpretation. Only the union can be blamed for that, although the member's don't see it this way.
All in all, I guess I am trying to give you a more favourable opinion of the place - these things always tend to trend towards the negative. The happy and content generally don't bother themselves with getting involved and expressing their opinions! My personal feeling is ATC is an interesting, different and rewarding job that allows you to be part of a team, yet exercise your independence and have a high degree of personal responsibility. When you unplug at the end of your shift - you go home without a worry in the world. No deadlines to meet, no reading to do, nothing to prepare for the next day! It is fantastic in that sense.
Good luck with your testing and I wish you all the best in whatever path you decide to take. Anymore specific details/questions - feel free to pm me.
Looking forward to my not so "happy, content" colleagues to have a go at me!
coneyisland, maybe you're a "natural" & found it easy but a 50% success rate from start of course to end of field training with most of the attrition in the college would indicate otherwise for many trainees.
It takes two to make an agreement & when there's no penalty for one party creatively interpreting that agreement, it doesn't matter how tight you make it. Management don't have to be like that but choose to be so. They don't have to be so combative & deliberately slow to negotiate agreements but they choose to be so. And it costs us big time - pay is frozen & there's no backdating to make up for it.
Come back when you've been through that cycle a few times & see if your rosy view is still there. It wears a bit thin once you've seen it repeated despite promises "this time will be different".
I think you'll find most controllers did something else before coming to ATC. It's certainly the case in my area. That said a lot have been controlling for a long time.
It takes two to make an agreement & when there's no penalty for one party creatively interpreting that agreement, it doesn't matter how tight you make it. Management don't have to be like that but choose to be so. They don't have to be so combative & deliberately slow to negotiate agreements but they choose to be so. And it costs us big time - pay is frozen & there's no backdating to make up for it.
Come back when you've been through that cycle a few times & see if your rosy view is still there. It wears a bit thin once you've seen it repeated despite promises "this time will be different".
I think you'll find most controllers did something else before coming to ATC. It's certainly the case in my area. That said a lot have been controlling for a long time.
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Has anyone heard about their current progress lately? My references were contacted last week so I'm hoping that's a good sign... The waiting is killing me somewhat though, just want a result one way or the other...
Good luck to everyone...
Kieran
update: my Application Details page now says that I'm on the merit list! when I did the testing day (mid Jan) Gemma said that the next course would probably be in April. Has anyone recieved any phone calls or emails?
Good luck to everyone...
Kieran
update: my Application Details page now says that I'm on the merit list! when I did the testing day (mid Jan) Gemma said that the next course would probably be in April. Has anyone recieved any phone calls or emails?
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YAHOOOO!!! I got my call today, on the enroute course starting on the 18th of April 
Gemma said she was trying to call all the other people on that course today, and provided she got on to everyone and they all accepted, she'd be able to get out the offer letters (emails) tomorrow before she heads off next week to another testing day in Sydney. So I guess if you didn't get a call today, or don't have a missed call from a blocked number, then you might not be on the April course 
Did anyone else get a call today? I'm looking to share a place down in Melbourne hopefully! Rather be with other people on the course than random strangers
Gemma said she was trying to call all the other people on that course today, and provided she got on to everyone and they all accepted, she'd be able to get out the offer letters (emails) tomorrow before she heads off next week to another testing day in Sydney. So I guess if you didn't get a call today, or don't have a missed call from a blocked number, then you might not be on the April course Did anyone else get a call today? I'm looking to share a place down in Melbourne hopefully! Rather be with other people on the course than random strangers
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AWESOME!
Spoke to gemma today and I'm through into the April 18th course! Now I just have to get my D&A test done and convert my medical into a class 3 and I'll be set! Congrats to Fatty182! Any word on who else is heading through?
kieran
Spoke to gemma today and I'm through into the April 18th course! Now I just have to get my D&A test done and convert my medical into a class 3 and I'll be set! Congrats to Fatty182! Any word on who else is heading through?
kieran
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Gday Fatty and Keiran,
Congratulations on getting in. Do you mind letting me know when you applied? I completed on-line testing in Sept 10 and all I know is to wait for a phone interview in the 'coming months.' Does anyone know when the next course after the April one is?
Cheers.
Congratulations on getting in. Do you mind letting me know when you applied? I completed on-line testing in Sept 10 and all I know is to wait for a phone interview in the 'coming months.' Does anyone know when the next course after the April one is?
Cheers.
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cheers for the congrats guys.
I first applied early Feb 2010, heard nothing until the online testing which I completed toward the end of September. My phone interview was (i think) in November and I did the testing day on 9th Jan 2011. offer was made early feb. Exactly one year form application to the offer being made...
From what I understand, if you haven't heard anything yet, you'll still be in the running... It seems to take a while to get through the system... Don't stress too much...
Regarding the testing day, we were asked not to inform other candidates about the datails of the day in order to keep it even keel for all... however, there's nothing to stress about. All the assessors (spelling?) are very friendly and happy to have a chat... During the day at lunch and morning tea I had the opportunity to talk to the other candidates and the assessors, I recommend you do this if you get the chance you should, and more importantly, listen to what they say (lots of good advice)...
Fatty, I guess they're not, keen to meet them though...
Cheers all
Kieran
I first applied early Feb 2010, heard nothing until the online testing which I completed toward the end of September. My phone interview was (i think) in November and I did the testing day on 9th Jan 2011. offer was made early feb. Exactly one year form application to the offer being made...
From what I understand, if you haven't heard anything yet, you'll still be in the running... It seems to take a while to get through the system... Don't stress too much...
Regarding the testing day, we were asked not to inform other candidates about the datails of the day in order to keep it even keel for all... however, there's nothing to stress about. All the assessors (spelling?) are very friendly and happy to have a chat... During the day at lunch and morning tea I had the opportunity to talk to the other candidates and the assessors, I recommend you do this if you get the chance you should, and more importantly, listen to what they say (lots of good advice)...
Fatty, I guess they're not, keen to meet them though...
Cheers all
Kieran
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this is a pretty general question, but when they refer to verification of original test results (the online cog stuff), does that mean you have to do that all over again???
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I applied November 2009, did the online testing some time around September, day of testing was 20th October and I heard that I had been successful in December, but only just got a place in a course this week. the process moves slowly, but they get there in the end
As for the day of testing, yeah we were asked not to share details, but about the verification of the online testing results, it's a shorter version of what you have done, they don't make you do the whole thing again
I agree that the assessors were all friendly and supportive (but they don't give you much indication how you're going ) and if you get the chance, have a chat to operational controllers that pass by, the ones I met were happy to have a chat and answer questions
Kieran, yeah hopefully they will give us a way to contact the others on the course, I'd like to see if anyone wants to share accommodation in Melbourne :P
As for the day of testing, yeah we were asked not to share details, but about the verification of the online testing results, it's a shorter version of what you have done, they don't make you do the whole thing again
I agree that the assessors were all friendly and supportive (but they don't give you much indication how you're going ) and if you get the chance, have a chat to operational controllers that pass by, the ones I met were happy to have a chat and answer questions Kieran, yeah hopefully they will give us a way to contact the others on the course, I'd like to see if anyone wants to share accommodation in Melbourne :P
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Meeting
Fatty 182, a couple of the Brisbane guys are going to meet at the Hammo at 5pm on Tuesday night. I am sure you were at teh last one so please join us again. Anybody else wanting to meet on Tuesday night in Brisbane at the Hammo please feel free to come along.
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I think this thread may have drifted some what from phycometric testing to ASA ATC recruitment in general...
So to get back to the stated phyc testing, there are ways increase your chances of successfully getting through... You can't cheat in a phycometric but you can teach your self the cognative skills required.
The secret to getting through is here at www.lumosity.com. There are a whole lot of simple games that you do each day that are designed and proven to improve you cognative skills, including problem solving, attention, memory, speed and flexibility.
You do have to pay for the site but I used it every day and it does do what it promises...
Worth checking out
Cheers
Kieran
So to get back to the stated phyc testing, there are ways increase your chances of successfully getting through... You can't cheat in a phycometric but you can teach your self the cognative skills required.
The secret to getting through is here at www.lumosity.com. There are a whole lot of simple games that you do each day that are designed and proven to improve you cognative skills, including problem solving, attention, memory, speed and flexibility.
You do have to pay for the site but I used it every day and it does do what it promises...
Worth checking out
Cheers
Kieran
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Hi everyone!
If you are looking for accommodation in Melbourne, me and my roommate have a spare room. We live in Taylors Hill, about 20mins from the academy. We are on course 37 so we could also help you a lot.
If you want to find out more, send me an email at [email protected]
Cheers, Simon
If you are looking for accommodation in Melbourne, me and my roommate have a spare room. We live in Taylors Hill, about 20mins from the academy. We are on course 37 so we could also help you a lot.
If you want to find out more, send me an email at [email protected]
Cheers, Simon