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"Passenger throughput at Dublin Airport exceeded 1.5 million in January, a 7% increase over the same month last year according to the Dublin Airport Authority."
Despite ATC staff shortages we are working hard...
"Passenger throughput at Dublin Airport exceeded 1.5 million in January, a 7% increase over the same month last year according to the Dublin Airport Authority."
Despite ATC staff shortages we are working hard...
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IMPACT take note of Mr Corry's words thats how you support you fee paying members.
For once in this issue i finally feel like someone out there has got a idea of what were after.
For once in this issue i finally feel like someone out there has got a idea of what were after.
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Fixers
Have to agree with the majority. As Air Traffic Controllers, it is in our nature to facilitate aircraft to the nth degree. That is how we are conditioned, to fix and make situations work, whilst remaining within the guidelines of safety , at all times. The controller used sound judgement to allow the aircraft to land after the curfew. A wise decision that did not in anyway detract from our cause and in reality probably strengthened our position in that our grievance is with the IAA not Pilots and the Travelling Public.
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On the Brink
We must not accept a lucrative OT deal ,until ...
The words lucrative and IAA are mutually exclusive.
The term brinksmanship has been used, and i firmly believe that this is the only way the IAA deals with issues such as this one. This begs one question - do the IAA think that this is the brink, or are they going to run it right to the wire, and see what the Union do if there is no deal
Experience should teach us all that this will go down to the wire.
My feelings about tomorrow are as follows ...
- the IAA will not admit to being short staffed, nor to the fact that the system is running on overtime
- they will claim to be seeking direct entries, but not through the normal channels
- IAA are going to make an offer for a formalised call in scheme, that will fall well short of the figures bandied around - in an attempt to try to keep the process going, and avoid being served with notice of an official stoppage
- the IAA will not be drawn into a time scale for the call in scheme
Remember, everything on the cheap - thats their mantra
Look at the retired staff coming back. they are currently being paid by the pension fund, and on top of that the IAA is going to give them 30% of the cost of a call-in (if anyone was doing them), as a per diem allowance.
Cheap labour from their point of view. Its win win for them.
This is how they value all staff - get it done on the cheap. i shudder to think of how many direct entries they are really going to get. Last i heard it was down to 1!
This is going to go to the wire
We Dont Want To Be The First To Blink!
Given the united front presented by ATCOs nationwide, i dont think we will
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News & Press Releases
Date: February 18 2008
Headline: Disruption to Air Traffic Services at Cork Airport.
Due to the continuing unofficial disruptive action by Air Traffic Controllers the Irish Aviation Authority has no alternative but to restrict traffic movements at Cork Airport between 0830 and 1800 hours tomorrow – 19th February, in the interest of passenger safety. This will result in some delays during the day.
The Irish Aviation Authority regrets the inconvenience to our airline customers and to the travelling public. Passengers are advised to contact their airline for further information. Talks are scheduled to take place tomorrow, the 19 February at the Labour Relations Commission between the Authority and IMPACT, the controllers union, in an attempt to find a resolution to the roster and call-in/overtime payment issues which are at the heart of this ongoing dispute.
ENDS
http://www.iaa.ie/corp_fin/show_news.asp?ID=452
Date: February 18 2008
Headline: Disruption to Air Traffic Services at Cork Airport.
Due to the continuing unofficial disruptive action by Air Traffic Controllers the Irish Aviation Authority has no alternative but to restrict traffic movements at Cork Airport between 0830 and 1800 hours tomorrow – 19th February, in the interest of passenger safety. This will result in some delays during the day.
The Irish Aviation Authority regrets the inconvenience to our airline customers and to the travelling public. Passengers are advised to contact their airline for further information. Talks are scheduled to take place tomorrow, the 19 February at the Labour Relations Commission between the Authority and IMPACT, the controllers union, in an attempt to find a resolution to the roster and call-in/overtime payment issues which are at the heart of this ongoing dispute.
ENDS
http://www.iaa.ie/corp_fin/show_news.asp?ID=452
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SoS.... same as it ever was...
Norby and irishatco - you know the score cos you've seen it before and yer call is spot on.
I sense a unity among controllers that perhaps wasn't there in my time to the same extent and for your sakes I sincerely hope so.
The major factor is that the ATCOs are the real professionals in this and you also have the commitment to providing a service that is as good as it gets in Europe. Your employer claims a lot (all?) of credit but you do the business.
Here's hoping that some sense will prevail tomorrow and let you guys get on with doing the job and getting the proper rest time, AL etc.
I sense a unity among controllers that perhaps wasn't there in my time to the same extent and for your sakes I sincerely hope so.
The major factor is that the ATCOs are the real professionals in this and you also have the commitment to providing a service that is as good as it gets in Europe. Your employer claims a lot (all?) of credit but you do the business.
Here's hoping that some sense will prevail tomorrow and let you guys get on with doing the job and getting the proper rest time, AL etc.
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The IAA is run by accountants. Everything is a 'business'.
A manager explained to a controller that as a stand alone business, Dublin centre lost money, so costs must be cut. The controller pointed out that if it was a business that lost money, it should be shut down. To which the manager replied, 'but you can't do that!'
Apply the same philosophy to the current staff shortage. Supply and demand. Let the market decide. Hold out for the best possible deal.
Applied to leave - wait until there is a guarantee of a minimum amount of leave to all staff per day (within reason of course!). This includes Annual, Parental and Maternity leave (the only guaranteed leave at the moment together with Sick leave!). Maybe even hold out for some of those 'family friendly policies' like Job Sharing, Career breaks and Unpaid Leave.
Applied to Working hours - wait until rosters are guaranteed to be no worse than they currently are and that fatigue breaks are always applied in every station.
Applied to overtime - wait until the price offered for your services is so high you can't possibly refuse.
Remember were the vast majority of the IAA's revenue and profit comes from.
A manager explained to a controller that as a stand alone business, Dublin centre lost money, so costs must be cut. The controller pointed out that if it was a business that lost money, it should be shut down. To which the manager replied, 'but you can't do that!'
Apply the same philosophy to the current staff shortage. Supply and demand. Let the market decide. Hold out for the best possible deal.
Applied to leave - wait until there is a guarantee of a minimum amount of leave to all staff per day (within reason of course!). This includes Annual, Parental and Maternity leave (the only guaranteed leave at the moment together with Sick leave!). Maybe even hold out for some of those 'family friendly policies' like Job Sharing, Career breaks and Unpaid Leave.
Applied to Working hours - wait until rosters are guaranteed to be no worse than they currently are and that fatigue breaks are always applied in every station.
Applied to overtime - wait until the price offered for your services is so high you can't possibly refuse.
Remember were the vast majority of the IAA's revenue and profit comes from.
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as the TWR ATCO who was all but named in a previous post, I would like to thank all my work mates and the union for their calls and posts of support. It really has made a difference.
as for the other individual, i would expect an apology but i suspect that the type of spineless person we are dealing with here won't crawl out from under their rock long enough to make one
keep the faith
as for the other individual, i would expect an apology but i suspect that the type of spineless person we are dealing with here won't crawl out from under their rock long enough to make one
keep the faith
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Roll on Super Tuesday, Good luck to all the negotiators!!!!
I just want to be able to get leave when I apply in reasonable amount of time for it. Like many others, I had over 22 AL applications unabled during the course of the year, yet management put us under pressure to use up our quota, I'd love the chance!!!!
I just want to be able to get leave when I apply in reasonable amount of time for it. Like many others, I had over 22 AL applications unabled during the course of the year, yet management put us under pressure to use up our quota, I'd love the chance!!!!
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Guys,
Best of luck tomorrow. We'll be watching closely. As I suspect will many a manager from various european ANSPs. I imagine their CANSO buddies are watching and waiting to see how the IAA dig themselves out of this (or not).
You appear to have done it so far ...... stick together, lads!
dub twr,
Good call, mate. Respect.
Best of luck tomorrow. We'll be watching closely. As I suspect will many a manager from various european ANSPs. I imagine their CANSO buddies are watching and waiting to see how the IAA dig themselves out of this (or not).
You appear to have done it so far ...... stick together, lads!
dub twr,
Good call, mate. Respect.
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More of the same
Having read through the most recent IAA Press release it becomes apparent that nothing much changes. it also leads me to wonder if there is any benifit to staff in renewing/continuing partnership. After all partnership is supposed to be mutually beneficial and all i am seeing is a one way street.
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On the eve of battle , i wish our negotiaters all the best for tomorrow.
May the force be with you and remember whats been said here.
To the IAA - dont play silly games and drag this out. Just put in place the plans needed. Otherwise you wont have any controllers left to tell what to do, and Bertie will be calling you into his office for a telling off.
Simple.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
May the force be with you and remember whats been said here.
To the IAA - dont play silly games and drag this out. Just put in place the plans needed. Otherwise you wont have any controllers left to tell what to do, and Bertie will be calling you into his office for a telling off.
Simple.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
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I hope you all realise that the deal that management offer tomorrow will be no where near what we are looking for. Everyone is talking the talk but when it comes down to it are you all prepared to take the next step if it arises. I sincerely hope so 
Best of luck to all of us, I think we're gonna need it
Best of luck to all of us, I think we're gonna need it
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Dub Twr. You did the wrong thing. There is no need for me to apologise as I did nothing wrong. Clearing an a/c to land when an airport is notamed with no ATC service was wrong. Anybody who says otherwise either is misguided or just not willing to tell you the truth.
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"Clearing an a/c to land when an airport is notamed with no ATC service was wrong. Anybody who says otherwise either is misguided or just not willing to tell you the truth"
the airport was notamed closed until 0630 and as QNHHPA has posted, service resumed at 0600 when rostered morning duties started.
was this wrong as well? are you going to slander the other ATCOs?
it has been posted numerous times that this action did not detract from our goals and in fact may have enhanced them. So an aircraft landed after 2330. 8 didn't.
I'm curious as to what is really going on here with 10 / 28. Does this guy 10 / 28 has a personal problem with dub twr?
Why, other than to cause personal hurt to the ATCO, would you post on PPRUNE. 10 / 28 is your life that sad and bitter that you have to try to cause pain in other peoples lifes.
I suppose i can only feel sorry for such a bitter and twisted individual.
By the way, it is also deflecting attention away from serious debate.
10 /28 is like an arsehole, everyone has got one
the airport was notamed closed until 0630 and as QNHHPA has posted, service resumed at 0600 when rostered morning duties started.
was this wrong as well? are you going to slander the other ATCOs?
it has been posted numerous times that this action did not detract from our goals and in fact may have enhanced them. So an aircraft landed after 2330. 8 didn't.
I'm curious as to what is really going on here with 10 / 28. Does this guy 10 / 28 has a personal problem with dub twr?
Why, other than to cause personal hurt to the ATCO, would you post on PPRUNE. 10 / 28 is your life that sad and bitter that you have to try to cause pain in other peoples lifes.
I suppose i can only feel sorry for such a bitter and twisted individual.
By the way, it is also deflecting attention away from serious debate.
10 /28 is like an arsehole, everyone has got one