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ATC VOLUNTARY OVERTIME BAN: Dublin Flights Delayed 25th January

Old 3rd Mar 2008, 16:40
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very poetic

Very poetic Robot1

but it's the sword of Damocles.
It doesn't swing, it hangs.
and more importantly; it's an allusion to the ever-present peril faced by those in positions of power.

Stop acting like your educated and get educated.

Demacles is a class of battleship.
It's also a misnomer for Demades from Greco-Roman histories, a friend of Alexander if I'm not mistaken.

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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 18:06
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Just what we need in our time of peril. In-house griping about literary allusions.

Still, there's not much else we can talk about, is there?

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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 18:07
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Bring on James Joyce
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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 18:12
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Maybe now's a good time to start squabbling about spelling.
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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 21:36
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united we stand

lol, robot, thought you were being programmed by DFC.

Still not accepting deals till i get what I want.

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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 21:53
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and while I'm on the subject of MOL poking his nose in

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusin...10009167.shtml

practice what you preach MOL and stick to penny pinching
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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 22:06
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thought you were being programmed by DFC
No Thorisgod, I'm one of the greedy, underworked infidels.

Though perhaps I should make my posts a little less cryptic.

But, hey, that's paranoia for ya
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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 22:29
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Do you have a link to that Union Syndicale report?
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Old 4th Mar 2008, 09:14
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No it was sent as an e-mail.
I will send you a PM later, not at work 'til this afternoon.
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Old 4th Mar 2008, 18:04
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Wink Train Drivers

Trains cancelled and passengers stranded after train drivers refuse to work extra duties claiming they are under staffed.
Sound familiar?
Why aren't their bosses insulting and slandering them in the press I wonder?
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Old 4th Mar 2008, 21:11
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atc voluntary overtime ban

Hear on the grape vine that there is a new deal on the way . Info meetings to be held tomorrow . Does anyone know whats happening and whats been agreed ? Hard to get any info from the usual sources. All comments welcome....
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Old 4th Mar 2008, 23:10
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"The end is not yet nigh..."

Yes I'm afraid you're quite right... just hope the majority realise this tomorrow and not accept some half hearted package just to get a resolution, I for one will be keeping all ears to the ground and will await round 2 with baited breath...I urge everyone to think carefully what they vote on as it will have serious consequences... Here's to the ATCO's and the lads working hard for us on the NEC..
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Old 5th Mar 2008, 17:25
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stick together

i for one will not be doing any call ins until this ballot is passed by all 3 stations although i do think the union has done a good job after attending todays meeting.
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 13:06
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I'm really not sure there will be the numbers for the standby scheme to work. Leaving aside any bad feeling and looking at it from a totally pragmatic point of view, standby has implications for staff that adhoc didn't.

From the point of view of planning family life, the standby duty must be viewed as a full rostered duty.

I really want this situation resolved at this stage, but don't want to feel pressured into signing up just to make it work.

However, I'm getting ahead of myself a little, the ballot hasn't even gone through yet.
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 13:40
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robot 1 remember its voluntary you can vote for the package but you dont have to sign up for the call in !
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 14:30
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Anyone have the details of the latest situation?
PM me if you wish.
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 18:49
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Yep, anyone pm me the latest details also. I've been away for a few days and don't know what's goin on

Has anything changed from the first union meeting? Has management agreed to everything on the list? When does the ballot take place?
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 22:25
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the package.........

Not official, just my understanding, but if you have the print out of the list from the BIG info meeting, I think almost everything is agreed except the "Annual Leave versus Projects" section.( This concerns 3 ATCOs in SHA and 2 in DUB to be permanently assigned to each team to provide A/L and guarantee a certain number of applications for each day)

Both night shifts will be finishing before 0830 but some swings will have to start 0830 (till 1630) instead of 0930 (till 1730)

I think there is negotiations to start a smaller SCP8 earlier if not enough Direct Entries are obtained.

Standbys have to be used before "Old Style" call-ins can be used.
And OT will be capped. 12hrs per cycle and 24 total in a year (might be wrong about the figures.

I'm sure I will be corrected if any of this is wrong

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Old 7th Mar 2008, 00:42
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Is this related?

From Eurocontrol CFMU AIM...

CLOSURE DUBLIN AIRSPACE
Valid from: 2008-03-06
until: 2008-03-07
Released: 2008-03-06 20:29:01


CLOSURE OF DUBLIN AIRSPACE
--------------------------
.
REGULATION ID: EIDWG07 FROM 06/2330 UTC UNTIL 07/0630 UTC
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DUE TO LACK OF STAFF NO TRAFFIC WILL BE ACCEPTED
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AO'S ARE INVITED TO UPDATE THEIR FLIGHTPLANS OR SENT A
CANCELLATION MESSAGE IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO OPERATE
PLS DO NOT CALL THE HELPDESK FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE
ABOVE MENTIONED REGULATION
.
CFMU OPERATION DIVISION BRUSSELS

Is this related to lack of overtime, or something else?

Cheers,
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Old 8th Mar 2008, 23:24
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all quiet

ballot postponed til next week. Dub management have thrown a ''spanner''(ie kevin) into the works. Roster changes at the 11th hour.
tune in next week.
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