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Another nail in the MACC morale coffin.

Old 11th Jan 2008, 14:48
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Another nail in the MACC morale coffin.

So, as well as the prospect of losing staff in numbers from the unit, a morale boosting new set of initiatives seem to be being pursued by some managers/ supervisors at MACC.

- restrictions on summer leave.
- re-juggling the summer leave period.
- extending the sub-roster.

- NICE ONE! - just what we needed.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 15:04
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Mahaba,

Would this not be better placed in the NATS private forum?

Surely the local union reps will have an input to the proposed changes though?
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Another nail in the MACC morale coffin

anotherthing,
Surely this should be posted on a public forum. NATS afterall is a Public Private Partnership is it not? The government are the biggest shareholder, and in a democracy is that not "Government of the people, by the people, for the people?"
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 15:59
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Zooker... Are you joking? The UK is not a democracy and hasn't been for years. The PM is a Dictator in this place....
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 16:21
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Don't apply for a posting to TC then, 1 and 3 happen there as well!
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 16:32
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Join the club.

1 and 2 at our Unit. (Probably 3 as well if I knew what a sub roster was!)

You know what to do - get your Union reps to sort it out if your not happy.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 22:01
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What is a sub-roster?
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Sub-roster - alternatively know as "the sh*tty stick roster".

Lots of day shifts and not your regular 6on, 4off pattern - we do 5on 2off, 4on, 3off.

It's basically a way for management to screw more days work out of you and to make you eat up your leave quicker - you need to take 9 days leave to get a 2 week break instead of 6 when you're on a regular roster.

Before anyone jumps down my throat - I know the hours work out about the same as a regular pattern but it sure doesn't feel like it.
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Old 12th Jan 2008, 18:41
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That's not what I thought was meant by sub-roster, we don't do that at TC fortunately, so scrub 3 from my earlier reply!

Prospect must have agreed to it though mustn't they otherwise why are you doing it?
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When we dropped one controller off nights for a month last year we found when we weren't on nights we would be working 6 on, 2 off, 1 on, 1 off before coming back for the 6 on. This has always been the case with the non nightshift cycle, but I agree with Chimaera - it feels like you have less time off. That said, we must get more days off than the majority of other professions so I can't complain too much!!


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Old 13th Jan 2008, 11:51
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Mahaba, I don't know where you got that from, but it seems an unfounded rumour.

For those that don't know our sub roster is Mon - Fri, and we work 4 shifts of 7 hours. So in effect we work a 28 hour week and have every weekend off. We do it twice a year at most and most people volunteer to do it as it saves taking leave at a weekend. You do it for anywhere between 3 - 6 weeks at a time.

As for it reducing your leave, I don't know where that comes from. I have never had to take leave from the sub roster, I get put back on shift so I get the full 14 days off as per normal.

Personally, I like it and I know many others do as well. I have spoken with our reps and they know nothing about it other than managers would like to change it so we do more hours (don't they always?), but nothing is planned, and anyway we would get a vote.

The redifining of the summer leave was an initial discussion to help out the ATCO's as there was simply too many of us and not enough leave lines. So as to ensure everyone got their full summer leave (and their was talk of 'junior' ATCO's only being allowed 2 cycles instead of 3) a redefinition of Summer was proposed. A good thing I would suggest.

Morale is all relevant, some people are insuch a state of permanent angst round here they have become almost paranoid!
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 14:51
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28 hours a week and no nights for the same money, where do I sign?
 
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Togo Dawn.

Sorry, can I just confirm that. You work effectively 4 on 3 off, 7 hours a shift? Guaranteed weekend off?
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 16:19
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Gonzo, not necessarily 4 on 3 off. You have to work any 4 shifts from 5 in a working week, so you might get a Monday or Friday off or even a Wednesday - just depends on how it falls. Oh and instead of 2 til 10 on an afternoon its 2 til 9.

Notared - nail head hit. Some people round here moan about anything.
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 16:29
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You have to work any 4 shifts from 5 in a working week
Sorry, yes, that's what I meant.

Hmmm, interesting.
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Hate to pi$$ on your fire but for at least the last 5 years in AC Swanwick, summer leave is only 2 cycles and then an additional 2 to 4 days depending on your seniority (ie have you gained the additional days for doing 8 or 10 years service) and only if spaces allow the additional days to be taken. Summer leave period runs from 1st May to 30th September which was "re-juggled" about 4 years ago so only 5 months and could be different to other units. I know there is a maximum number of days we can take in this period should the rare chance occur for spaces to be available and think its 18 days (3 cycles). Don't know ANYONE that has had this approved other than for extreme circumstances. Still waiting to book my additional days for this year's summer period and it looks like May, May or May, as for booking a holiday based on that.....
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Very interesting!!!!!!!!!
 
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5miles, it only makes my point "of looking a gift horse inthe mouth" more relevant ...
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Old 14th Jan 2008, 10:46
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Togo Dawn

You must be blind, you have it all wrong, can't you see.

It's MACC, therefore they are being seen off, whatever the issue. That's the only fact you need to know
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Would this not be better placed in the NATS private forum?
I heard of someone who posted an unfavourable comment on the NATS intranet and got a good telling off.
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