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oh dear me what a mess old norwich is in getting rid of quality staff.was it really that bad and why so drastic.as a personal friend of the victim i was disgusted how dicky and b-meister behaved.think of the rest of us having to put up with poor managerial decisions and with morale at rock bottom too.anyone thinking of applying should beware of the back stab.
i will finish with this thought special agent,look what happened to the chosen one at chelsea.ha ha
i will finish with this thought special agent,look what happened to the chosen one at chelsea.ha ha
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^^^
I shouldn't comment too much as I've only heard the story about tenth hand and certainly wasn't there, but I suppose they didn't in a 'by the book' world.
Still a shame whenever someone loses their job.
I'll step out now I think....
I shouldn't comment too much as I've only heard the story about tenth hand and certainly wasn't there, but I suppose they didn't in a 'by the book' world.
Still a shame whenever someone loses their job.
I'll step out now I think....
I know that this is a rumour network, but it sounds as if what few hard facts might be available for semi-public consumption could usefully be shared - rather than continue the thread at the present level?
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2sheds - try MATS Pt1 Section 2, Chapter 1, Page 14
laughing cavalier - there are two very important rules to remember in ATC :-
1) don't break the rules
2) if you don't comply with rule 1, don't get caught !
Your friend did & he's paying the price - it must be bloody hard at a small unit to do the LCE job properly so fair play to those at EGSH who had the guts to stand up and be counted. You're not at Horsham St. Faith out in the sticks anymore - welcome to Norwich International in the ATC world of 2007 !
laughing cavalier - there are two very important rules to remember in ATC :-
1) don't break the rules
2) if you don't comply with rule 1, don't get caught !
Your friend did & he's paying the price - it must be bloody hard at a small unit to do the LCE job properly so fair play to those at EGSH who had the guts to stand up and be counted. You're not at Horsham St. Faith out in the sticks anymore - welcome to Norwich International in the ATC world of 2007 !
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it still seems bloody harsh to me.you can quote chapter and verse till you are blue in the face and as for the lce in question,i have it on good authority that he never even asked why but went for the jugular anyway.quite laughable really.you guys who are managers sitting in your ivory towers have to remember that occasionally someone will make a bad decision like they themslves have done in the past.you are dealing with peoples lives and careers,so perhaps a little thought wouldn't go amiss.
i will finish now and never reply to any more comments on this thread
i will finish now and never reply to any more comments on this thread
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No. 6 sums it up quite nicely.
L.C. - you are talking out of your Cavaliering hat, especially as your friend broke the law and could face a court appearance should the CAA deem it appropriate, I wonder who would be laughing then?
L.C. - you are talking out of your Cavaliering hat, especially as your friend broke the law and could face a court appearance should the CAA deem it appropriate, I wonder who would be laughing then?
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As a manager you may make bad decisions which will have consequences for others. That happens, it's part of life.
As an ATCO you may not knowingly break the law and rewrite local procedures. No matter what justification or mitigating factors you think there may be: law is the law - no matter if its murder, drink driving or a breach of the regulations. No licence = no ATCO job.
Perhaps the investigation process left something to be desired - but that's another topic.
As an ATCO you may not knowingly break the law and rewrite local procedures. No matter what justification or mitigating factors you think there may be: law is the law - no matter if its murder, drink driving or a breach of the regulations. No licence = no ATCO job.
Perhaps the investigation process left something to be desired - but that's another topic.
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perhaps we could encourage you to come out of retirement and admit that you are wrong in every respect, I am sure that you are monitoring the thread, so an apology for basing your thread on just one side of the story would be entirely appropriate.
No 7, et al.
Concur with most of what you've said except to say that the investigation process was completely above board and by the book, the vast majority of you will not be in possesion of the facts and as the case is open to appeal, it would be totally inappropriate to say anything more.
It's probably the most unpleasant thing a Manager could have to make a decision on, but in this instance he and the person who instigated the process were both absolutely correct and the Company made the right decision.
perhaps we could encourage you to come out of retirement and admit that you are wrong in every respect, I am sure that you are monitoring the thread, so an apology for basing your thread on just one side of the story would be entirely appropriate.
No 7, et al.
Concur with most of what you've said except to say that the investigation process was completely above board and by the book, the vast majority of you will not be in possesion of the facts and as the case is open to appeal, it would be totally inappropriate to say anything more.
It's probably the most unpleasant thing a Manager could have to make a decision on, but in this instance he and the person who instigated the process were both absolutely correct and the Company made the right decision.
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ok so i am back and still laughing at the small and empty brains you lot have.the person who broke the law is ulimately responsible to the caa who now will undergo their own investigation.he also had a responsibility to his own employer and the aircraft under his charge.you lot seem to think that he deliberately set about to break the law which is not so.it was a circumstance of many factors which were ignored.the law is specific but if you dumb lot read the papers,it is hardly a hanging offence.it is pretty obvious who the last two threads came from and they are trying to justify their positions as managers at norwich.they should also be aware that morale is rock bottom at egsh and the staff are disgusted in how a good controller has been hounded out of his position.good luck at the appeal.
i will now sod off and die.farewell those who ulimately care!!!!!!
i will now sod off and die.farewell those who ulimately care!!!!!!
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If you really do believe what you posted and you really are an ATCO then take a few minutes to reflect upon what you have written as the opinions you voice would reflect very poorly upon any controller's professional standards.
Clearly you aren't based at Norwich, (you'd know who I am if you were) you don't know the full story and if you did you'd be well aware that the last 2 sentences of your diatribe are complete crap.
Don't go away, we look forward to the next installment.
If you really do believe what you posted and you really are an ATCO then take a few minutes to reflect upon what you have written as the opinions you voice would reflect very poorly upon any controller's professional standards.
Clearly you aren't based at Norwich, (you'd know who I am if you were) you don't know the full story and if you did you'd be well aware that the last 2 sentences of your diatribe are complete crap.
Don't go away, we look forward to the next installment.
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Hopefully the next installment will have some spacing between the sentences, and a few Capital letters as well. But then what would a "small brain" like me know? If the morale really is at "rock bottom" as you suggest then the staff at Norwich ATC certainly don't show it. As a regular "customer" I have always had excellent service from them.
ILS - quite so. Since when was failing to comply with ATC procedures "breaking the law"?
Apart from those of us on the periphery wondering just what this is all actually all about and whether there are lessons to be learned, the thread seems to comprise an initial illiterate rant from the prisoner's friend - apparently his first posts ever on Pprune - and, if the implications of others are correct, quite inappropriate public comment from one or two persons from the "opposition". If the case goes as far as an employment tribunal, they could actually eventually find themselves in the wrong!
Apart from those of us on the periphery wondering just what this is all actually all about and whether there are lessons to be learned, the thread seems to comprise an initial illiterate rant from the prisoner's friend - apparently his first posts ever on Pprune - and, if the implications of others are correct, quite inappropriate public comment from one or two persons from the "opposition". If the case goes as far as an employment tribunal, they could actually eventually find themselves in the wrong!
