ATC and flight crew errors

[Gonzo]

FT,

If we ask how long it takes before our stand becomes available doesn't always mean we are impatient. We got people in the back who we need to keep updated so if we can give them an approximate time that keeps them happy.

Oh I know, that's why I said that sort of request was at one end of the possible range of things crews might ask/request/suggest. Unless it's quiet, or I have an 'on the ball' Delivery or Lighting Op, I'm far too busy to find out myself. In fact, I might be just as eager to find out as you, as it may affect where I hold you.

[Bearcat]

I got a real bollokin from dub atc recently due speed below 10. previous controller was adv and we told this contoller what speed we were doing...then he asks what speed we were doing and then explodes.....i just went roger ...no point in floggin a dead horse.....on the flip side in dub recently a foriegn guy literally lost the rag with ground atc telling her how to do her job as there was a lot of back log on the ramp together with the terminal road works there....lady atc-er never lost the rag and calmly came back with her reasons. Nice to hear other aircraft when she transfered them say to her...good job. She appreciated it.

So it takes all sorts....Manchester grouind and Approach in Kennedy have had their moments recently.

[Roffa]

Bollockings on the r/t are a pointless exercise and say more about the inadequacies of the atco concerned more than anything else, in my not so humble opinion

[Scott Voigt]

Yup we all get testy with each other from time to time... From the ground, it probably has more to do with frustration with stupid pilot tricks that we see day in and day out with a GREAT lack of profesionalism from the cockpit of late. Not following what is on the chart and blindly following the FMS even though it was programed wrong and then getting testy when the controller in a loud voice tells you to turn immediately you are off course, and then issue traffic. The controller is probably using a crowbar to pry the seat out of his/her butt from watching someone turn into another aircraft. No call signs, not listening for weather being issued to EVERYONE who is departing and then five minutes after being given ride reports, the pilot states, it's getting bumpy any rides ahead <sigh>... It is stuff like this that just drives us NUTS!!! You can only take so much of it before you just shake your head and sound somewhat annoyed by it.

Then as stated, how about the folks who THINK that they have the flick of what is going on traffic wise and keep trying to help you run the sector. Then add in the added frustration of short staffing, screwed up watch schedules and such, and you have folks who are just not in their happy place anymore... You will hear the frustration... Sorry about that, but it is human for the most part...

[Engine3firehandle]

Nice example I heard when approaching Frankfurt 3 years ago from Frankfurt Radar:
An aircraft had a stuck mike and messed up everything in the approach.
After a while they found out by themselves and said how sorry they are.
Two minutes later, stuck mike again, same aircraft.
The female controller this time ( about 1 minute stuck mike only ), with a really strict voice, came with the immediate punishment and told the crew to make 360 degree circle at the present position and then continue.
This was definetely not for traffic flow but a little lesson for them.
we had a good laugh out of this one..