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NATS interview process

Old 22nd Oct 2008, 12:49
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gonna have to second steffi on this one:

whilst i appreciate it was beneficial for you during your interview process, making a general sweeping statement that it is possible for all to visit Heathrow tower is likely not the best idea.

I dont know whether you had to wait a long time for the ID to be issued at the ID centre, but that can be an absolute pain at the best of times, even where the building is now by the Queens building. So when they imminently move it to Heathrow house which is miles away... exponentially worse. I remember the wait when i was getting my airside pass for work

The amount of time it takes the person escorting the visitor as well, the length of the walk through the terminal is bad enough twice a day, let alone 4 times...

To alleviate any misconceptions, I dont have a problem with people visiting up here, I just think the strain it puts on the person dealing with them when they have loads of work on their plate already is unnecessary. By all means visit towers and centres during application, but maybe try and pick landside towers to keep it easy for everyone. If and when you get to college, I know my watch management are more than happy to welcome college visitors on weekend afternoon shifts, I myself was a beneficiary of this a while back. Also in terms of learning this may well be a better time to visit as you understand more of whats going on.

I appreciate when people think of a tower to visit, Heathrow is likely one of the first if you live in or around London. But its not as easy as your post seems to imply, far from it...
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 16:12
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One and a half hours and a visit to three different ID centres later.........I finally got my temporary pass for Heathrow!!!

So I'll third that!
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 17:01
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ATC Visit

Hi guys,

after failing the online personality test last year I have passed this year and been invited to a stage two interview. I have not visited an ATC centre, aerodrome or area, and donít plan to until I get through my stage two. Prior to any stage three interviews, I would definitely visit at least two different centres.

Is this a mistake, should I go before my stage 2?

Briefly, my rationale is that I donít feel the need to visit to know this is the choice for me, and from what I read, the stage two is predominantly HR as apposed to what you know about the job (stage three). I know I would find it useful, but donít think it essential, will lead to me being even more depressed were I to fail this stage.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 18:10
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Dont worry about a visit before stage 2. They wont ask you about it at the interview. The interview is about 50 quick fire questions about how you deal with certain situations. At stage 3 I got asked if I had visited a unit and luckily I managed to get a visit to Gatwick the day before so I had lots to talk about.
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 19:17
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I was just pondering, i've recently failed my stage three exam will i have to endure all stages of this process all over again or am i permitted to advance through any stages?
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 19:23
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If you don't do the visits, how do you know ATC is the job for you? I did a couple of visits before I even applied.
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 19:39
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Hey SACrIGGER

I know what your saying, and donít get me wrong I havenít just stumbled upon NATS. I researched and read up about the job for more than a year before my initial application, and have used the year between applications to make sure itís what I really want. I just wanted to make sure with regard to the application that at this stage it is not essential, i.e. am not going to be asked why I havenít visited or attempted to visit, or am expected to have experiences about visiting a site. It was certainly my understanding from the ATC who spoke at stage one that NATS werenít really bothered prior to stage three.

Like I say, once I get through stage two, I will attempt to visit at least two just to be finally sure.

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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 19:46
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Well if your happy that's fine, I was leaving a career behind and so I really wanted to make sure that I was making the right decision, and finally 18 months after starting with NATS it was, apart from being in Wales, but that is another matter, which i'm sure quite alot of people on this thread know about!

Good luck with the rest of your application.
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Old 24th Oct 2008, 12:57
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I am studying for stage 2 at the moment and the page of designators.... I am sure they are right but some seem so illogical?!
I would think EGGW would be Gatwick... but is Luton
And IL52 is an Ilyshin 62 ?!

Are these right and I am just thinking too much into it?
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Old 24th Oct 2008, 15:44
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EGGW is certainly Luton, but an Ilyushin 62, according to ICAO Doc 8643, is IL62.
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Old 26th Oct 2008, 11:34
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Well, only 3 days til my 2nd stage and have gone through the whole of this thread again since Friday!!

I'm actually feeling slightly and weirdly excited about the day!!!

Anyone want to give me any last minute advice or confidence boosters, please feel free!!


I also called Swanwick to try and arrange a visit whilst I was down, seeing as I'm not going to be back down there until my 3rd stage interview, hopefully!! Unfortunately, I was told by HR that it is new policy that prospective students cannot visit until after they have passed their 2nd stage.
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Old 27th Oct 2008, 19:23
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For the stage two interview are the questions to be answered using examples from your experiances eg "can u give me an example of when you have demostrated...or when you have shown...".
Or are they more along the lines of "what would you do in this situation?" where u simply have to answer theoretically.

I only ask because i'm worrying about my lack of good examples to demonstrate various skills.

I'm getting ahead of myself a bit as i've not even done stage one yet, but its just something thats been on my mind.
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Old 27th Oct 2008, 20:48
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Hi roar00

if you look back at previous posts i am sure you will find some examples, but as far as i know, and i have not done my S2 yet, you are expected to give examples of when you have shown leadership or quick thinking etc etc.

You may be given hypothetical questions but only from an HR point of view (what would you do if you went to work and thought your boss was drunk) nothing theoretical with regard to actual ATC situations, that is more S3.

i am sure ppl who have actually done S2 will perhaps give bttr insight tho, as i am only repeating what has bn said previously on here.

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Old 28th Oct 2008, 20:40
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Stage 2 is a structured interveiw, so is probably unlike any interview you have had before. It consists of a series of questions (around 50 if I remeber correctly) of which the interviewer is looking for a particular answer. Sometimes this could simply be a yes/no answer, such as "Are you a determined person?" Then you may get asked why, where you can start to elaborate, but generally the interviewer will stop you when they have the answer they require.

Stage 3 is when you get the chance to really show who you and elaborate to your hearts content!
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Old 29th Oct 2008, 11:21
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Stage 3

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to know as my stage 3 is coming up next week, how many aircraft your expected to be learning.

Obvious answer being there's no such this as too much, but I've gone through the aircraft in the packs, some of it sticks, others don't (worrying somewhat with the career I'm pursuing!). has anyone got anyone got any tips to learn these effectively??

Also as I'm not coming dorectly from Uni or college, will I be looked on unfavourably in light of being slightly older and from essentially a dead end job for the past 7 years??
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If you're not feeling confident about the aircraft it's worth making an effort- go through wikipedia for the long list in the first pack and make notes on what they are- twin engine long range widebody etc... There's lots of images and keep refelecting on the differences- Airbus and boeing use different winglets etc. There's a recognition quiz at Airliners.net Aircraft Recognition Quiz but don't get too obsessed with it- find where your weaknesses are- you should know the differences between all the different boeings. If you just can't get differences between 737s and a320s then don't worry too much! You might get recognition questions, you might not (I didn't!) but it's worth being confident so that you don't stumble over any you get.

For the seven years- make sure you can explain why you've stuck at it and have good examples from it- teamwork etc, don't be negative about it. They will ask about this- they wanted to know why I'd done an English degree rather than something more science or theory based. Good luck!
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Following onÖ I just got the Yes email! I just thought Iíd share my experience and add to the mass of information here thatís helped me out a lot. Iíve got through first time round and it has taken two months. Iíll try and break down the stages and explain a few things I found beneficial without repeating all the previous posts too much!

Stage one-

The SHL practice data checking questions are great practice. Do it a few times and you will speed up.

For the cubes- instead of trying to visualise the whole thing I concentrated on a specific side. Each side has a different pattern, and from what I remember there is always a black triangle (or inverted) on one side. For each net I figured out what the Ďpointí of the triangle pointed towards, and what was on the Ďbaseí side. This worked for meÖ

For the diagramming- Use the scrap paper- especially when it gets to resequencing the final order it makes it foolproof and probably quicker in the long run with lack of confusion!

And the motivation test- itís been said a million times- learn the document. Itís not that hard, and you have to know it in the next stages. The only other thing is have a general awareness of distances between UK cities/European cities. Specifics arenít needed but basic geographical knowledge isÖ


Stage two-

For the motivation paper here I say learn it, and learn it well! Itís a much tougher test than the one at stage one. If your maths is a bit rusty then do a few D/S/T practice questions. Half the challenge with these is knowing what to do with the data that youíre given.

I was nervous about the HR interview as Iíd recently failed an interview for a part time job which I thought I should get no problem. To calm my nerves here I went back to one of the interviewers and asked for some feedback. She was lovely and gave me a couple of pointers but was basically positive and said Ďbe yourself, youíll be great.í Iíd also say make use of a careers advisory service if itís available to you. Iím probably in the minority in that Iím still at university and have a lot of guidance readily available. I booked a meeting with a careers advisor and told her the outline (structured questions, situational, examples and skills). She gave me a lot of help with how I could talk about my own experiences and make them impressive. A piece of advice that can be passed on is how the British have a tendency to downplay our achievements and somehow make them sound negative- ĎI just did thisÖí ĎIíve only really got thisÖí etc. Even if you donít have a school or university careers service there will normally be a Connexions office nearby who Iím sure would help.

Literally write a list of the things youíre involved in and what skills you have gained from this. And believe it. Thereís no point being in a sports club and saying that this makes you a good team player, improves judgement, gives you responsibility etc etc whatever, if youíre just saying it because it sounds good. Write it down- Where do the skills come from and give an example- you work well in the team because you donít hog the ball, but you can recognise your chance and you will take it. Youíve been responsible for bringing water to a match, for boosting morale, whateverÖ You have to recognise your skills and be enthusiastic. Enthusiasm can get you anywhere

Useful posts:
-Keywords post on page 22 (Edvin76). Donít just try and get them all in, but pick the ones that you know are relevant to the things you do. Itís just realising your own potential!
-Nokioís massive post on page 35. It brings everything anyone has ever said about stage two all together.

Stage three-

Iím repeating posts again, but preparation is the key. You really canít blag it. Have something to say when youíre asked how youíve prepared. Know the aims of the company and know how it works, what it does, etcÖ Find an element that youíre interested in that you know you can talk about for hours (if only you were allowedÖ ). I was ready for a half hour rant about the sustainable aviation program that NATS support, but thatís because Iím from a family of environmental nuts and I was excited to find something that proved my dream career path wasnít completely dedicated to destroying the world. The NATS Media Centre link will lead you to endless information which you will never ever be able to process.

I mentioned this in the above post- I was terrified about aircraft recognition and found the following useful (and also horribly addictiveÖ beware!): http://www.airliners.net/quiz/
Looking at endless pictures of Boeings vs. Airbusí really works! Itís all in the tail and the wingletsÖ!

Another thing Iíd point you towards is an old thread: http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/78751-got-nats-interview-read-here-first.html

This is good for more interview-specific information. However Iíd also say donít get too wrapped up in pprune accounts of peopleís interviews. Yours will be different. Yours will be about you. Take time rereading the motivation material from stages one and two- you WILL be asked on it, and in detail, and itís not multiple choice this time!

Lastly Iíd say try and enjoy it. I was a grinning fool on the way home from stage two as it had been such a good day, despite not being confident about passing at all. Donít be a quivering worrying wreck- youíre there to show the recruitment lot why you believe you can do the job- believe in yourself!

(I love cheese!)


Good luck!

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Old 29th Oct 2008, 15:39
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Best post Ive seen on here. I couldnt sum it up any better. Motivation and preparation, if you know you've prepared for every possible question/scenario then nothing will phase you. Knowledge is power after all.
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Old 29th Oct 2008, 17:40
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I was going to do the same but...

... I guess there's no need after Abi's great post. I subscribe to everything it has been said there... my experience was very similar.

Congratulations Abi! I also found out today that I passed stage 3, I wonder how Chris, Gareth and David did.

Cheers,

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Iím from a family of environmental nuts and I was excited to find something that proved my dream career path wasnít completely dedicated to destroying the world
it's not exactly aiming at saving the world either, is it ?
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