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Old 14th Aug 2020, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Runway26
As in, the unit the said trainees wanted to be posted at
My course, no one got the posting they wanted. People from the south coast ended up in Scotland, people from the midlands ended up in Scotland and the south coast.

Speculation that training will not return to the NATS college for a while, and the hundreds of TATCs will not be needed for 5+ years. Having said that there is an ageing workforce so I am sure things will open up again in 3 or 4 years.
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Originally Posted by Flying184
My course, no one got the posting they wanted. People from the south coast ended up in Scotland, people from the midlands ended up in Scotland and the south coast.

Speculation that training will not return to the NATS college for a while, and the hundreds of TATCs will not be needed for 5+ years. Having said that there is an ageing workforce so I am sure things will open up again in 3 or 4 years.
As someone waiting to start a training course, this would hardly be unexpected but is still disheartening. Is this speculation based on anything that has come from NATS themselves or more based on expectations of the industry? I doubt my cohort will get any kind of official update until the furlough scheme ends, but would be good to know what the current conversations are around this. It's been tough being in limbo since March waiting to find out if I'll even get a shot at the dream job I was offered...
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3 out of the 4 got their first choice of unit 🙂

Originally Posted by Runway26
As in, the unit the said trainees wanted to be posted at
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Originally Posted by Ft1989
As someone waiting to start a training course, this would hardly be unexpected but is still disheartening. Is this speculation based on anything that has come from NATS themselves or more based on expectations of the industry? I doubt my cohort will get any kind of official update until the furlough scheme ends, but would be good to know what the current conversations are around this. It's been tough being in limbo since March waiting to find out if I'll even get a shot at the dream job I was offered...
Hi Ft1989
It's really hard to know what will happen. What is clear is the traffic levels that recruitment was carried out for in 2019 clearly are not going to be back for the foreseeable future. Current discussions are at least 3 years, which naturally would have an impact on staffing plans in any industry. But no one has a crystal ball. Nothing has been officially publicly announced around plans for those recruited or currently at the college, and it is right for those individuals to hear first before the general public, whatever the decision. I think some difficult discussions and decisions will take place over the coming weeks and months.

Hopefully sensible decisions are made and rather than simply chop people, keep those successful applicants on file to recall back for training when the demand increases again in a year/2 years/3 years time. Be under no illusion, there will always be a need for trainees in the future with an ageing workforce.

A sense of realism has to be maintained - traffic is currently down 50% across the UK at the busiest time of year. Some airports are down over 85% and I am sure we will see significant changes to the scope of airports on offer in the UK because of the pandemic impact. The demise of Flybe and Thomas Cook, and now a pandemic are major changes and all have had a cumulative effect on the UK aviation and airport scene.

With regards to postings - you must be prepared to go anywhere. Perhaps things are different now, but my course got very little input on choices - there was no "option lists" or "rank the order of units you would like to go to".... we finished our course, a few days later were handed a letter with the unit and start date on it.

Keep strong - don't give up on dreams! Just be prepared to have to wait a bit longer and in the mean time get as much life experience as you can because it will all come in very useful.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 17:23
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Traffic levels, as an absolute, are not particularly good as an indicator of staffing requirements. 2019 traffic levels were, and would be again, completely unmanageable without lots overtime (currently 'removed'), and continual deployment of office based staff. Let's say that, for example, and admittedly with a bit of a 'back of a fag packet' factoring, the current staffing levels would be needed to handle 6,000 movements a day. The 8,500 movements a day from 2019 may not return soon, or perhaps they will sooner than many predict, who knows, however 6,000 a day may make a return by, let's say, spring 2021. OK, levels are still a third down, but staffing requirement is the same, the impending retirement wave is still in place, and yet again, NATS seemingly are intent on cutting recruitment. I am very well aware immediate cost savings are required, but cannot help feeling anything other than at the very least continuing the 'current' pre-Covid recruitment numbers will result in a major staffing shortage in the not too distant future. It's almost as if NATS had never seen such a scenario before....
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Equally, the current training timing is not that far off 3 years from entry to validity is it?
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Originally Posted by Flying184
Hi Ft1989
It's really hard to know what will happen. What is clear is the traffic levels that recruitment was carried out for in 2019 clearly are not going to be back for the foreseeable future. Current discussions are at least 3 years, which naturally would have an impact on staffing plans in any industry. But no one has a crystal ball. Nothing has been officially publicly announced around plans for those recruited or currently at the college, and it is right for those individuals to hear first before the general public, whatever the decision. I think some difficult discussions and decisions will take place over the coming weeks and months.

Hopefully sensible decisions are made and rather than simply chop people, keep those successful applicants on file to recall back for training when the demand increases again in a year/2 years/3 years time. Be under no illusion, there will always be a need for trainees in the future with an ageing workforce.

A sense of realism has to be maintained - traffic is currently down 50% across the UK at the busiest time of year. Some airports are down over 85% and I am sure we will see significant changes to the scope of airports on offer in the UK because of the pandemic impact. The demise of Flybe and Thomas Cook, and now a pandemic are major changes and all have had a cumulative effect on the UK aviation and airport scene.

With regards to postings - you must be prepared to go anywhere. Perhaps things are different now, but my course got very little input on choices - there was no "option lists" or "rank the order of units you would like to go to".... we finished our course, a few days later were handed a letter with the unit and start date on it.

Keep strong - don't give up on dreams! Just be prepared to have to wait a bit longer and in the mean time get as much life experience as you can because it will all come in very useful.
Thanks for this. Yeah, I hope that even in the worst case scenario, NATS will invite us back at a point in the (hopefully not-too-distant) future. Especially given the time and cost they've spent through the recruitment process, medicals, security checks etc.


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Old 8th Sep 2020, 10:55
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The cohort due to start in April had their offers withdrawn last week...
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Originally Posted by Ft1989
The cohort due to start in April had their offers withdrawn last week...
Where did you hear this?
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Originally Posted by Just_Waiting
Where did you hear this?
Unfortunately I'm one of them!
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Originally Posted by Ft1989
Unfortunately I'm one of them!
Ahh so sorry to hear that mate. Were they able to give any indication as to next steps or would it simply be a case of you having to apply again when they are looking for people?

I am sure I will hear a similar thing from them soon sadly, I'll be gutted!
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Originally Posted by Just_Waiting
Ahh so sorry to hear that mate. Were they able to give any indication as to next steps or would it simply be a case of you having to apply again when they are looking for people?

I am sure I will hear a similar thing from them soon sadly, I'll be gutted!
Thanks, yeah it's absolutely gutting news. We were told they'd be back in touch if things improve enough in the next year, so I assume that means we wouldn't have to re-apply.
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Originally Posted by Ft1989
Thanks, yeah it's absolutely gutting news. We were told they'd be back in touch if things improve enough in the next year, so I assume that means we wouldn't have to re-apply.
Fingers crossed it does.
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Originally Posted by Ft1989
Thanks, yeah it's absolutely gutting news. We were told they'd be back in touch if things improve enough in the next year, so I assume that means we wouldn't have to re-apply.
I've just seen on an Instagram feed that I follow that they've released all thr trainees this morning.
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I’m probably the bearer of bad news here...NATS have announced that they are terminating the contracts of all TATC’s currently within the training process. Sorry to say that I wouldn’t be keeping too many hopes of a place on a training course for the foreseeable future. Best of wishes to all🤞
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 20:33
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...NATS have announced that they are terminating the contracts of all TATC’s currently within the training process...
That's not wholly correct: sadly those in the initial training phase have been offered a voluntary exit package now, or can stay with the company until the end of October to consider any redeployment opportunities, if they wish - however, whichever they chose, their contract will end in November. This applies to just over 120 people, but over twice that number remain within the system, awaiting unit training.
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Commiserations to everyone affected - all very sad

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...t-b447250.html

Quotes in this article suggest that the (~275!) trainees awaiting unit training will meet NATS projected requirements for the next 2 years. Given the lead time required to recruit and run a initial training course, that would suggest no new recruitment for at least 1 year, probably longer?

Any word if the people let go will have the option to return to training (without re-interviewing etc) once demand returns? That would surely be the fair thing to do, although it would of course further delay the chances of any 'new' recruitment.
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https://nats.aero/blog/2020/09/covid...0J9OAYWtnACNQ0
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Originally Posted by ManUtd1999
Quotes in this article suggest that the (~275!) trainees awaiting unit training will meet NATS projected requirements for the next 2 years. Given the lead time required to recruit and run a initial training course, that would suggest no new recruitment for at least 1 year, probably longer?

Any word if the people let go will have the option to return to training (without re-interviewing etc) once demand returns? That would surely be the fair thing to do, although it would of course further delay the chances of any 'new' recruitment.
They're saying at the earliest, 2022 is when they'd look to bring anyone back. They're giving us a "guaranteed right to return" meaning when they open recruitment we wouldn't need to jump through hoops such as interviews etc, and we'd be given priority.
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Originally Posted by alfaman
That's not wholly correct: sadly those in the initial training phase have been offered a voluntary exit package now, or can stay with the company until the end of October to consider any redeployment opportunities, if they wish - however, whichever they chose, their contract will end in November. This applies to just over 120 people, but over twice that number remain within the system, awaiting unit training.
If they take the voluntary exit package, their contract ends on the 31st September with redundancy "compensation". If you wait to stay on until October for them to find opportunities (which they've said is gonna be very very very slim), then the contract will end in November. They've killed off the whole of the college - even the people who are 2 weeks from graduating (they literally had ABES to do and had already passed all other exams), in favour of keeping the people with their student licenses.

Strategically, getting rid of TATCs but not SATCs just stops them running off to graduate with other ANSPs. Clever really.
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