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Pugwash 4x4: unions are mandated to protect their members interests as far as possible - not the interests of those who may or may not choose to join the company. FWIW the affect on Trainee salaries was made very clear to the management team at the time, & they chose to ignore it: they realised they'd gone too far quite quickly afterwards, hence the "living allowance" payment. Your argument is with them, not the union, and by joining NATS anyway, you strengthen their case, & weaken the unions. If we ever reach the point where recruitment can't get people because the salary is too low, the policy will no doubt change again - but no sign yet.
This battle was won/lost at least three years ago - surely you've had internet access since then? There's nothing to stop you changing your mind, even at this late stage.
This battle was won/lost at least three years ago - surely you've had internet access since then? There's nothing to stop you changing your mind, even at this late stage.
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Pug - As long as there are enough applicants that pass all stages and take the offer of training with NATS the current system will not change.
I have taken a cut in my salary a couple of times for career moves in the past. One thing is for sure though, if you are pre-occupied with your financial problems during the course it will a lot a harder than it could be.
Unions - i do see your point to a certain extent. In my experience they are either too weak or too strong if know what i mean. You have got to get your head around this
one way or another. Good luck.
I have taken a cut in my salary a couple of times for career moves in the past. One thing is for sure though, if you are pre-occupied with your financial problems during the course it will a lot a harder than it could be.
Unions - i do see your point to a certain extent. In my experience they are either too weak or too strong if know what i mean. You have got to get your head around this
one way or another. Good luck.
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I can't say that I was fed any misinformation over the last year in terms of salary while training. Then again I've always been well aware of the salary cut involved and knowing that I would be leaving my city job to do something more rewarding one way or another, have spent the last couple of years making sure I can cope with the reduction in income. Just as well as I've not been working since September - looking forward to starting next week!
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pug4,
Your peers must have set their sights quite high then to turn their noses up at a career that could ultimately see them in the top 5% of earners in the country. Best of luck to them.
When it comes to pay and benefits, despite the way my colleagues moan at times, NATS are actually up there with the best of them.
Know of a few of my university peergroup who looked at NATS but turned away when looking at Pay and Benefits. Perhaps management will start to take note.
When it comes to pay and benefits, despite the way my colleagues moan at times, NATS are actually up there with the best of them.
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pugwash...
with regards to the unions and what previous members voted for:
You have joined after 2009, so you are not part of the old pension scheme anymore.
Let's say 3 years from now you are a valid ATCO and there's a ballot to extend your pension scheme to all employees, including those that were on the final pension. The alternative is to see YOUR scheme furtherly deprived.
What will YOU vote?
food for thought
Ivor
with regards to the unions and what previous members voted for:
You have joined after 2009, so you are not part of the old pension scheme anymore.
Let's say 3 years from now you are a valid ATCO and there's a ballot to extend your pension scheme to all employees, including those that were on the final pension. The alternative is to see YOUR scheme furtherly deprived.
What will YOU vote?
food for thought
Ivor
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That's the sort of calibre person that NATS clearly feel they need to recruit, but the initial benefits have to be attractive!
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Quite Gonzo, an arts or meedja studies degree does not necessarily an atco make. In fact it's probably a hindrance imo.
It's all down to aptitude really, shame they still haven't quite got the selection tests right.
It's all down to aptitude really, shame they still haven't quite got the selection tests right.
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Well said Gonzo - the last thing we need is people who think they are doing us a favour by condescending to join us - I would vote for lowering TATC salary and benefits further to keep them out!
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One of the best controllers I know at Swanwick was previously a chef in the canteen.
Educational and employment background is irrelevant, the skills to do the job and a passion for it, and to keep working at it when times are tough is what counts.
Educational and employment background is irrelevant, the skills to do the job and a passion for it, and to keep working at it when times are tough is what counts.
