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100 movements an hour????
Ermm they must mean arrivals and departures.
How many DEPARTURES an hour is the point as I would have thought that is where the EFPS is used...(out of interest how many at peak rate LL guys?)
They use EFPS in YYZ tower aswell and as far as I am aware there are no problems whatsover (and at peak rate they sure chuck em out).
For once NATS is actually changing something that will make its operation more effective.
Ermm they must mean arrivals and departures.
How many DEPARTURES an hour is the point as I would have thought that is where the EFPS is used...(out of interest how many at peak rate LL guys?)
They use EFPS in YYZ tower aswell and as far as I am aware there are no problems whatsover (and at peak rate they sure chuck em out).
For once NATS is actually changing something that will make its operation more effective.
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For once NATS is actually changing something that will make its operation more effective.
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SAATS is a major achievement and the staff responsible need to be congratulated. In the same way that a NERC build makes the intranet!!
EFPS seems to work very well at the airports that have it, and are used to it. Ask the Gatwick controllers if they want their old paper strips back!
What is the "new computer system" at Heathrow? Do y'all mean A-SMGCS?
EFPS seems to work very well at the airports that have it, and are used to it. Ask the Gatwick controllers if they want their old paper strips back!
What is the "new computer system" at Heathrow? Do y'all mean A-SMGCS?
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Sorry!! Meant to give an example of positive EGLL attitude;
"That very much remains to be seen. We'll revisit this topic in one year"
I know the problem can EFPS not cope with the old check at the Delta's
"That very much remains to be seen. We'll revisit this topic in one year"
I know the problem can EFPS not cope with the old check at the Delta's
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viaEGLL, please come over and tell us how to do it.
That is exactly what it is. There are some safety issues, and lots of capacity issues.
Maybe its just a capacity thing???
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How can you separate ATCOs and the flight data display system in terms of capacity? EFPS means I have to use more of my capacity to keep track of the picture and what's going on. Is it me? Or is it EFPS?
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if you simplify EFPS then there is less of a capacity issue as EFPS cannot replicate all actions therefore you may have to change how you operate slightly. Other units have adapted somewhat, why can't yours?
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I have been told that EFPS considerably improves situational awareness, is that not the case? I also understand that there are a few problems that are not really an EFPS problem, more the other system it communicates with. That will be fixed really soon.
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We are adapting, that's the problem. Capacity is decreasing because of it. In an effort to minimise that ATCO capacity decrease, we are losing our flexibility, especially on GMC, which means more delays for a/c.
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Surely though Gonzo there will always be a degradation in delivery whilst a new system is being introduced. It's only natural. When you have had a chance to use it and get used to it and adapt your methods (unfortunately you will have to adapt your methods), you may well find it enhances your operation.
Doing things the old way - especially with tactile strips - is very comforting. Sometimes we as human beings need to be taken out of the comfort zone to develop.
I truly hope it works for you guys as it has done for other units. There are trying times ahead for all of us as capacity continues to increase with little or no new resources (i.e. plain old concrete on which to stick an A/C)
Doing things the old way - especially with tactile strips - is very comforting. Sometimes we as human beings need to be taken out of the comfort zone to develop.
I truly hope it works for you guys as it has done for other units. There are trying times ahead for all of us as capacity continues to increase with little or no new resources (i.e. plain old concrete on which to stick an A/C)
Leaking a story to the Sun, what is the world coming to? When I was a lad only the Times or Telegraph would have been the way to go!
What next the LHR GM on page 3?
Maybe this an indication of the way things are going, leaking appears to be rife (often from management onto staff?) in NATS, latest heard is that at least some LHR controllers are apparently hinting that for a £10K payment the problem could go away?
If thats the case, glad I only operate out of LGW.
What next the LHR GM on page 3?
Maybe this an indication of the way things are going, leaking appears to be rife (often from management onto staff?) in NATS, latest heard is that at least some LHR controllers are apparently hinting that for a £10K payment the problem could go away?
If thats the case, glad I only operate out of LGW.
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"Maybe this an indication of the way things are going, leaking appears to be rife (often from management onto staff?) in NATS, latest heard is that at least some LHR controllers are apparently hinting that for a £10K payment the problem could go away?"
Hey, if you don't ask you don't get! The 10k should cover nicely the extra 15-20 mins a day it takes to get into the new tower. It's part of the working day, shouldn't they be recompensed for it?
Hey, if you don't ask you don't get! The 10k should cover nicely the extra 15-20 mins a day it takes to get into the new tower. It's part of the working day, shouldn't they be recompensed for it?
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Words cannot express how much reading this absolute trash is boiling my piss.
See the next time I get accused of being unfair when attacking journalists, I'm going to link this thread.
Sky and The Sun, hang your damn heads in shame.
See the next time I get accused of being unfair when attacking journalists, I'm going to link this thread.
Sky and The Sun, hang your damn heads in shame.
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When the Gatwick SMVCR was built airside in the 1980s, staff were inconvenienced - their travel time to work increased. Did they bleat on about it ad nauseum? No. Did they expect remuneration for it? No. Did they accept that this was inevitable change, face the front and just get on with it? Yes.
When the Gatwick SMVCR was surrounded by concrete in the 1990s, staff were further inconvenienced - their travel time to work increased again. Did they bleat on about it ad nauseum? No. Did they expect remuneration for it? No. Did they accept that this was inevitable change, face the front and just get on with it? Yes.
Ignoring for a moment the argy-bargy surrounding EFPS (separate issue), I'd be grateful to know why Heathrow staff faced with a move to the NVCR feel that they should expect special treatment when their colleagues at Gatwick faced with similar circumstances got cock-all - twice.
When the Gatwick SMVCR was surrounded by concrete in the 1990s, staff were further inconvenienced - their travel time to work increased again. Did they bleat on about it ad nauseum? No. Did they expect remuneration for it? No. Did they accept that this was inevitable change, face the front and just get on with it? Yes.
Ignoring for a moment the argy-bargy surrounding EFPS (separate issue), I'd be grateful to know why Heathrow staff faced with a move to the NVCR feel that they should expect special treatment when their colleagues at Gatwick faced with similar circumstances got cock-all - twice.