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There's another emergency meeting on the 20th. So what was this one about? To decide on a date for another emergency meeting?
Mmmm, imagine us taking that amount of time with a decision.
No doubt on the 20th they'll have made a decision . . . . . . . . . . . . on the date for another emergency meeting. Same old tune, different band members.
It take a lot of years in ATNS to get this cynical.
Mmmm, imagine us taking that amount of time with a decision.
No doubt on the 20th they'll have made a decision . . . . . . . . . . . . on the date for another emergency meeting. Same old tune, different band members.
It take a lot of years in ATNS to get this cynical.
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The official quote from the chairman of the board is that ATC's are greedy. This is from someone who sits on 4 board meetings a year and earns 400k+ for it.
Somewhere there has to be accountability for what is going on staff wise surely. Is the chairman the one who will take the responsibilty when he has to report to the minister of transport and explain why his 7 remaining greedy ATC's can't handle 54 slots an hour into Joburg?
Mr chairman are you aware that come September your tenure will be marred by catastrophic failure and this country will step back 40 years as the economic powerhouse of Africa? We do have some small part to play in the infrastructure. This job is actually well respected and well paid in most parts of the world. Use it, don't use it.
Ever since I've given up hope I feel much better about things.
Somewhere there has to be accountability for what is going on staff wise surely. Is the chairman the one who will take the responsibilty when he has to report to the minister of transport and explain why his 7 remaining greedy ATC's can't handle 54 slots an hour into Joburg?
Mr chairman are you aware that come September your tenure will be marred by catastrophic failure and this country will step back 40 years as the economic powerhouse of Africa? We do have some small part to play in the infrastructure. This job is actually well respected and well paid in most parts of the world. Use it, don't use it.
Ever since I've given up hope I feel much better about things.
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Wth arms wide open!!!!
Other ATC units are waiting to employ more of you.......surley you guys at ATNS, should by now have learnend, that every time it is smoke and mirror bull
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I say give them the message ..........let there be a NO SHOW at the meeting!(Vote with your feet)
But then again the guys and girls at Jo'burg seem to never be able to stand together......well hell believe them this time surley they wil not lie again!!!???
. I say give them the message ..........let there be a NO SHOW at the meeting!(Vote with your feet)
But then again the guys and girls at Jo'burg seem to never be able to stand together......well hell believe them this time surley they wil not lie again!!!???
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This is why people stay... not because of the lies.
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Ok have to admit SA can be a great place but so can Zim. 
Have had a lot of rain in the Sand Pit this year, but never see a nice one like that here. Rainbow still in Black and White here........Is that a pot of Gold at the end or the Smartie Box ???
I wish all the Boyz and Girls at Jo'burg a Merry Christmas and Happy 2007. Drive Safe and keep up the good work.
DNS
Have had a lot of rain in the Sand Pit this year, but never see a nice one like that here. Rainbow still in Black and White here........Is that a pot of Gold at the end or the Smartie Box ???
I wish all the Boyz and Girls at Jo'burg a Merry Christmas and Happy 2007. Drive Safe and keep up the good work.
DNS
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Please correct me if I am wrong but is this not the same Chairman of the same ATNS board that just a few months ago refused to authorise a retention package to those who were willing (and some not so!) to stick around and keep the sinking boat afloat, because they could not be expected to pay money to keep "white employees" in the company??? This after months, if not years of empty promises from the CEO.
Those that can get those CV's out there...it is not going to get any better in the near(or far) future.
There are alot more opportunities out there than you realise once you make that decision to move on.
Good luck old friends!!
Those that can get those CV's out there...it is not going to get any better in the near(or far) future.
There are alot more opportunities out there than you realise once you make that decision to move on.
Good luck old friends!!
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...it is not going to get any better in the near(or far) future
Being now involved in a business I've learnt that the only thing that counts at the end of the day to management is the bottom line. If staff problems don't impact on the profitablity... frankly they couldn't give a
Good luck to those left behind and Merry Christmas (hopefully not behind the mic).
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I got some clarification on the "ATC's are greedy" quote.
It was said by Mr Mobasa (chairman) during his speach at the Academy on Friday.
It's slipped my mind, who again earns the money for this company????
We had a classic entry in our occurance book yesterday. It read: Flow control to FAJS due to insufficient greedy staff.
It was said by Mr Mobasa (chairman) during his speach at the Academy on Friday.
It's slipped my mind, who again earns the money for this company????
We had a classic entry in our occurance book yesterday. It read: Flow control to FAJS due to insufficient greedy staff.
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Jobs elsewhere
Just reading this thread out of interest as I was considering working in SA a few years back but turned the offer down as the contract didn't stack up. Sounds like it still doesn't. There are numerous jobs elsewhere in the world. If you're considering the middle east but think you haven't got the experience I sugest you still put your name in the hat. Demand at present has more or less put an end to the 5 year operational requirement in the job role you are applying for. Good luck, don't hang around with false hopes.
Merry Christmas to all of you, hope the New Year brings some positives.
Regards
Merry Christmas to all of you, hope the New Year brings some positives.
Regards
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Mr Chairman.....
Is this the racist chairman that has made all his "white" employees feel like sh1te at "Reward and Recognition" parties??? This is an unreformed "chip on my shoulder" ATNS Mugabe. Does this person not realise - it is not GREED - pay what the people are worth! What are they worth elsewhere in the world, match or better it! Greed - what an idoit! I have no respect for this person - if its the same one.
ATNS has a problem - and I don't think its management - I honestly think its becoming more than the money too......saftey is becoming a concern. These are things that are numbed by money - sad, but true. Go to war - you get danger bucks....
Lets face it, money is something we all want more of, and if you are accepting a lesser salary than people elsewhere in the world, its because you are happy where you are....if you begin to become unhappy - elsewhere looks good - until money is thrown at you....then you stick it out....
ATNS itself is not a bad company - all companies have their **** - but I think that they are not that bad.
....my opinion
ATNS has a problem - and I don't think its management - I honestly think its becoming more than the money too......saftey is becoming a concern. These are things that are numbed by money - sad, but true. Go to war - you get danger bucks....
Lets face it, money is something we all want more of, and if you are accepting a lesser salary than people elsewhere in the world, its because you are happy where you are....if you begin to become unhappy - elsewhere looks good - until money is thrown at you....then you stick it out....
ATNS itself is not a bad company - all companies have their **** - but I think that they are not that bad.
....my opinion
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Wake up and smell the gun powder!!!!!
Dear Friends,
You deserve Better!!!!!!!
You have all been part of the great Money making scheme, called ATNS for many a years now! The sad thing is that you have been making the money and other people get to spend it!!!!
You remained loyal, you believed promises, you sat through soooooo many meetings and had to fight for every sent at every salary negotiation.
For what??????????
To be told that you are greedy?
ATNS anounce 32Mil profit and you get what 6 %
Is the Minister of Transport not the major share holder? Therefore Government supported ( Like SAA) Ask SAA who bail them out every time they need pilots or make a little bit of a loss in a year?
We hear the names, and see the CV's pilling up all over the world, yet some are still not moving, not awake, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for what it is !!!! A BIG TRAIN....... GRAVY AND ALL !
If you need a push in the right direction read this :
Crime stats for 2006 (April 2005 to June 2006) These are based on Insurance claims and reported crimes only!
Car Hijackings - Increase from 12 343 to 15 864
Cash in transit Heist Increase by 74.1 % ( to more than one a Day)
Murders 18 545
Attempted Murders 20 553
If this is enough to make just one of you see the light, I will be pleased.
By the way During the SA Bush war From 1966 till 1989
1804 people died !
Remain loyal, believe more promises, hope that the above will only happen to someone else!
Should I stay or should I go?
What is it worth to you in the end?
Your choice!!
Nice Rainbow.............Rainbow Nation ?????
Are not all things in Life but black and white?
You deserve Better!!!!!!!
You have all been part of the great Money making scheme, called ATNS for many a years now! The sad thing is that you have been making the money and other people get to spend it!!!!
You remained loyal, you believed promises, you sat through soooooo many meetings and had to fight for every sent at every salary negotiation.
For what??????????
To be told that you are greedy?
ATNS anounce 32Mil profit and you get what 6 %
Is the Minister of Transport not the major share holder? Therefore Government supported ( Like SAA) Ask SAA who bail them out every time they need pilots or make a little bit of a loss in a year?
We hear the names, and see the CV's pilling up all over the world, yet some are still not moving, not awake, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for what it is !!!! A BIG TRAIN....... GRAVY AND ALL !
If you need a push in the right direction read this :
Crime stats for 2006 (April 2005 to June 2006) These are based on Insurance claims and reported crimes only!
Car Hijackings - Increase from 12 343 to 15 864
Cash in transit Heist Increase by 74.1 % ( to more than one a Day)
Murders 18 545
Attempted Murders 20 553
If this is enough to make just one of you see the light, I will be pleased.
By the way During the SA Bush war From 1966 till 1989
1804 people died !
Remain loyal, believe more promises, hope that the above will only happen to someone else!
Should I stay or should I go?
What is it worth to you in the end?
Your choice!!
Nice Rainbow.............Rainbow Nation ?????
Are not all things in Life but black and white?
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For the expats following this thread
We got some feedback from the 2nd emergency meeting yesterday.
The results are:
A nine percent increase from April 2007 has been approved. I take it this on Basic salary only???
Money put aside for a "lock in retension package" has been freed up by the Board to be used for that reason. No details have been given on that but Wrenelle has promised clarification on that early next year.
Personally I don't agree with retension packages. It's almost an admission of failure that the company is not the employer of choice and that they need to tie you in with a contract, but hey, I'm sure many others will be glad. If you weren't planning on leaving it's an absolute bonus....
Is it too little too late? I suppose we'll see by September next year (when the current retension package pays out) Had this been announced three months ago the staffing problem in Joburg might be a little less critical.
I do feel that Wrenelle is doing her utmost to resolve this issue but that she is coming up against a brickwall at times. Hats off to her and those working so hard to try keep this ship afloat.
The results are:
A nine percent increase from April 2007 has been approved. I take it this on Basic salary only???
Money put aside for a "lock in retension package" has been freed up by the Board to be used for that reason. No details have been given on that but Wrenelle has promised clarification on that early next year.
Personally I don't agree with retension packages. It's almost an admission of failure that the company is not the employer of choice and that they need to tie you in with a contract, but hey, I'm sure many others will be glad. If you weren't planning on leaving it's an absolute bonus....
Is it too little too late? I suppose we'll see by September next year (when the current retension package pays out) Had this been announced three months ago the staffing problem in Joburg might be a little less critical.
I do feel that Wrenelle is doing her utmost to resolve this issue but that she is coming up against a brickwall at times. Hats off to her and those working so hard to try keep this ship afloat.
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Personally I don't agree with retension packages. It's almost an admission of failure that the company is not the employer of choice and that they need to tie you in with a contract, but hey, I'm sure many others will be glad. If you weren't planning on leaving it's an absolute bonus....
reaction!!!!Plese sign on the dotted line for another 5 years of hard labour and below average wages.......