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Home to Duty - Proposed management buy out

Old 31st Jan 2006, 14:21
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Have they indicated when the vote for this or payout would be?
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Old 31st Jan 2006, 14:25
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Votes in by Feb 8th I seem to recall.

IMJS can you claim HTD in a country with no cars just horse and carts??
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Old 31st Jan 2006, 16:34
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The ballot papers for the HTD 'buy out' will be issued after the conclusion of the pay ballot, if it is a 'yes' vote.

If the pay ballot is a 'no' and they have to renegotiate pay then the HTD ballot will be delayed until after that vote.

To find out how much you will be 'paid' before tax under the proposed buy out. Look at your November pay slip multiply your HTD by 24 and add 250 et voila your pre tax offer
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 08:09
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Originally Posted by SilentHandover
Everyone get's 250, then you get an amount based on how much HTD you receive making a total of just over 1300 before tax as a maximum.
Not quite. Luton and Southampton do not get HTD and therefore will not get the buy out.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 08:53
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Hi Folks,
Was looking at HTD on the intranet the other day.....didnt know it existed until that point. Question is (I couldnt see any answers in T&C's), are ATCO T&D eligible or only for you valid lot??
As I say, no hint on the 'net to say one way or t'other.
Anyone.......

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Old 1st Feb 2006, 10:39
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Originally Posted by Spamcan defender
Hi Folks,
Was looking at HTD on the intranet the other day.....didnt know it existed until that point. Question is (I couldnt see any answers in T&C's), are ATCO T&D eligible or only for you valid lot??
As I say, no hint on the 'net to say one way or t'other.
Anyone.......
Spamcan
it depends if your unit is in receipt of the HTD pauments. I was eligible when I was training
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 14:54
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I currently receive HTD, but will soon be transferring to a unit where, apparently, they do not receive it. Will I still be eligible for the bigger pay-off, or am I about to be screwed over?
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 15:14
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With regard to this payoff, why not just give everyone 300 a year extra on their salaries, this would be pensionable and everyone would get the same. BTW I don't think that we should agree, after all why should we give up somthing that is a 'perk' for a one off payment. Just my unimportant thoughts.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 15:31
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As has been pointed out, and as far as I know, HTD can be abolished at any time by NATS. I can imagine that's what they'd do if the vote was no.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Legs11
I currently receive HTD, but will soon be transferring to a unit where, apparently, they do not receive it. Will I still be eligible for the bigger pay-off, or am I about to be screwed over?

As I understand it will be based on your November salary so you should be ok....


Note the word "Should"!!!!!!!!!
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 19:07
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Do we know if this HTD "deal or no deal" is just for our annual allowance or will our claims for extra attendance travel (overtime days) be included/void as well?
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 19:14
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Originally Posted by Flaps ten please
Do we know if this HTD "deal or no deal" is just for our annual allowance or will our claims for extra attendance travel (overtime days) be included/void as well?
Overtime days mileage claims are not Home To Duty. they are additional attendances payments and are not part of the HTD agreement
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 19:38
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Thanks TATC
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 20:01
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I vote we keep HTD.
As an ATCO with a good few years left (I hope!) in the long run I will lose out. We are hearing differing opinions up hear and I need to get a definitive answer from my union rep. According to my understanding and the employee handbook it states that changes to HTD need to be negotiated. Does that not imply that management cannot simply then refuse to pay it? Sounds a bit like scare mongering on their behalf.
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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Hootin an a roarin
I vote we keep HTD.
As an ATCO with a good few years left (I hope!) in the long run I will lose out. We are hearing differing opinions up hear and I need to get a definitive answer from my union rep. According to my understanding and the employee handbook it states that changes to HTD need to be negotiated. Does that not imply that management cannot simply then refuse to pay it? Sounds a bit like scare mongering on their behalf.
Having spoke to my union rep it appears that management only need to giv 6 months notice of withdrawal, which would mean we would lose out more by not taking the carrot.
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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 14:47
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According to the Employee Handbook

Foreword 1.3 Page2 of 215

"These terms and conditions form the basis of the individual's Contract of Employment and are subject to collective bargaining under arrangements set out in NATS doc. No.3 entitled 'Procedures for Relations Between Management and Recognised Trade Unions' (commonly known as the 'Green Book').
So surely management can't simply withdraw the payment and my Union rep agrees. In theory they can tell us we are getting a 20% pay cut but we wouldn't stand for it nor would the Union. They would have to negotiate something else. This saving is basically to help NERL with the savings they must make at the detriment yet again of the airports!
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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 15:22
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That would depend on the wording of the original Home to Duty Agreement, and wether there was a clause in it which states that management could withdraw it with 6 months notice - which is what my union rep told me there was
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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 16:43
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So Hootin and a roarin'

is it the ATCOs who work at the area centres that are really to blame?? Or do you just have a chip on your shoulder??

It is not a Tower/centre issue, regardless of money savings; it is a management/coal face worker issue.

I get sick of hearing poeple from airports bleating about how hard done by they are in comparison to people at centres. Yes, some airport ATCOs are underpaid, but this issue affects us all (apart from the couple of places that do not get HTD at the moment).

There was a comment recently on a thread about the pay rise, stating that it would be voted in because the Centres won again, whilst the airports were getting screwed! How the heck that was worked out considering its a percentage deal across the board, I don't know.

It's those sort of pathetic comments and in-fighting that must make the senior management rub their hands with glee.
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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 18:06
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UKATCO 535, as the starter of the thread I certainly did not want this to turn into an ACC vs Airport issue, which it is not. I was not aware that management could give six months notice on withdrawing HTD, I beleive (and it depends who you talk to) that this was a negotiation with management (albeit many years ago) and anything other than what we get now would also need to be negotiated.
If that is the case I would vote against the buy out, becuase, irrespective of how much or how little you get, in the long run you are worse off. Take the carrot and it's gone forever. Maybe there is a union rep out there who can get a definitive answer on this.
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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 18:48
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UKATCO535

"is it the ATCOs who work at the area centres that are really to blame?? Or do you just have a chip on your shoulder??

It is not a Tower/centre issue, regardless of money savings; it is a management/coal face worker issue."

It's a huge chip thanks due to the continuous frustration in having no say when it comes to voting with the current set up with this Union!!!! We should have all stuck together before the Banding system was brought in which didn't benefit all, now we feel you have a cheek telling us to stick together.

However I was simply making the point that the airports run a very tight ship with very little money being spent yet we make the profit and are continuosly told that we are given a pay rise on the coat tails of NERL, yet this HTD vote is to help NERL save 50 million quid and we all suffer from it.

Keep the HTD!!!
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