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I suppose that makes the airline pilot - among other people - he said it to a liar then...? You're a braver man than me. The microlight question is, I think, a separate one, and one that's being fought hard by several people as we speak. The prescence of the flying school is also a different matter, being as it is one of the greater providers of movements at INV. I was referring purely to private GA, something that is most definitely not popular with certain (and I must make it clear that I'm not referring to all!!) controllers and management types.
1 thing I should add. I most definitely do not blame INV ATC for the current developing mess, they often do a very good job working in the face of a purely profit conscious management, even if there are certain controllers who have a slightly biased view of the "priorities" of traffic. Like anywhere else we have to survive alongside each other, so personal battles are a poor idea. Unfortunately, for most people flying at INV, be it commercial or private, the controllers are the only public representatives of HIAL that we have any contact with on a regular basis, so it's inevitable that they'll get a certain amount of the feedback from questionable company decisions. Sad, but true, I really wish life was different!
1 thing I should add. I most definitely do not blame INV ATC for the current developing mess, they often do a very good job working in the face of a purely profit conscious management, even if there are certain controllers who have a slightly biased view of the "priorities" of traffic. Like anywhere else we have to survive alongside each other, so personal battles are a poor idea. Unfortunately, for most people flying at INV, be it commercial or private, the controllers are the only public representatives of HIAL that we have any contact with on a regular basis, so it's inevitable that they'll get a certain amount of the feedback from questionable company decisions. Sad, but true, I really wish life was different!
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The provision of ATS to Inverness departures/arrivals by Lossiemouth ATC has been, I understand, provided against a combination of manning (detachments)/endorsement/training problems and increased military flying in the ' Moray Bowl' area (EGQS/EGQK/EGPE). Lossiemouth ATC are not just providing arrival/departure ATS to Moray Bowl aircraft, but also LARS to military aircraft that climb out from low level requiring identification and handover to ScATCC(Mil) - and the reverse when aircraft are handed over by ScATCC(Mil) to Lossiemouth for low level in the Moray Bowl area. I understand that at ScATCC(Mil) they have a list of Priorities of Service to aircraft with Emergencies then ATS to UAS aircraft at the top and RIS then FIS at the bottom. I do not know if a similar Priorities of Service operate at Lossiemouth - but if EGPE do not get their radar soon - ATS to GAT may take 2nd priority to OAT, or maybe 1st come 1st served!
There will be every likelihood that EGQS will remain as busy and maybe get busier with their own aircraft, and EGQK will get busier once the next generation of Nimrods come into service. It is also rumoured that EGQK may well get station based FJ aircraft as well.
Military exercises are going to get more frequent north of the STMA, therefore the airspace between EGPE and the STMA will become, at times, a lot more congested! Interesting times!
There will be every likelihood that EGQS will remain as busy and maybe get busier with their own aircraft, and EGQK will get busier once the next generation of Nimrods come into service. It is also rumoured that EGQK may well get station based FJ aircraft as well.
Military exercises are going to get more frequent north of the STMA, therefore the airspace between EGPE and the STMA will become, at times, a lot more congested! Interesting times!
According to GATCO sources, Inverness' new control room has radar displays now in place and controller training on a new simulator will begin in '2007'.
Which controllers would they be then?
Which controllers would they be then?
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According to GATCO sources, Inverness' new control room has radar displays now in place and controller training on a new simulator will begin in '2007'.
Which controllers would they be then?
Which controllers would they be then?
The new simulator is housed in a beautiful brand new portakabin which also doubles up as the training classroom.
Boom boom boom......another one bites the dust.
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Sounds like it's hats off to the people who have completed at least the technology side of the Phase 1 radar project, seemingly against all odds. I'm impressed. As to training/recruitment of "RATCOs", to be fair to HIAL there is a nationwide shortage of the right people so no surprise that they might be a bit behind. But what is it with all these sackings?!
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ATC teabreak
Western Isles MSP Alasdair Morrison is apparently unhappy that Stornoway ATC held up his Glasgow flight while they went off for a cup of tea. He was amongst passengers on board waiting for the delayed 8.10am flight to take off from Stornoway on Tuesday morning.
But engines were shut down at 8.30am as the airport now closes between then and 9am according to the response the MSP received from Hial HQ. Hial say temporary closures (8.30 to 9.00am) will be implemented for two months starting January 6th to meet ATC training needs as well as working time regulations.
The teabreak story is in Wednesday's Press and Journal.
But engines were shut down at 8.30am as the airport now closes between then and 9am according to the response the MSP received from Hial HQ. Hial say temporary closures (8.30 to 9.00am) will be implemented for two months starting January 6th to meet ATC training needs as well as working time regulations.
The teabreak story is in Wednesday's Press and Journal.
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HIAL's Inverness 'consultation' ...
Anyone get any response from HIAL after submitting ?
Anyone got any idea how long this was in the public domain ? (I only heard about the day it was ending.)
PS I have utmost respect for INV ATCOs at moment - when trying to co-ordinate inbound releases/outbound clearances they sound VERY busy - Gorund/Tower and Approach all combined .... I take it when the radar is up and running HIAL won't be expecting you to be single manned like that ?
PPS What you offering for ADC/APC/APR/OJTI rating qualified ATCOs ..
Anyone got any idea how long this was in the public domain ? (I only heard about the day it was ending.)
PS I have utmost respect for INV ATCOs at moment - when trying to co-ordinate inbound releases/outbound clearances they sound VERY busy - Gorund/Tower and Approach all combined .... I take it when the radar is up and running HIAL won't be expecting you to be single manned like that ?
PPS What you offering for ADC/APC/APR/OJTI rating qualified ATCOs ..
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RADAR Coverage for Inverness Controllers
"Tis indeed true that the righteenuffers have radar displays in place displaying the primary radar data from Lossie and the SSR from Kinloss."
There must some pretty large holes in coverage, it would be really interesting to see the maps?
And then look at any proposals for controlled airspace!
There must some pretty large holes in coverage, it would be really interesting to see the maps?
And then look at any proposals for controlled airspace!
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I believe the radar coverage offered by Lossie and Kinloss is sufficient for the task. Whilst the primary radar is some 25nm away from INV, which would usually give you a poor base of radar cover, the fact that the terrain is so high in the area actually acts in your favour in this instance. Aircraft must fly above the lumps and therefore into coverage.
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As I understand it, come what may, the RAF will pull out of the Inverness task on 01 Apr 07. I don't blame them at all; the level of ac being worked now is far beyond what it was at the tasks conception and is likely to continue to grow, if recent press releases are anything to go by.
As this date has now come and gone - is there any update on the situation at Inverness, have the RAF now pulled out of the Inverness task as mentioned. When are the newly trained Inverness radar controllers taking over ?
As this date has now come and gone - is there any update on the situation at Inverness, have the RAF now pulled out of the Inverness task as mentioned. When are the newly trained Inverness radar controllers taking over ?
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Inverness Radar? When?
As I understand it, come what may, the RAF will pull out of the Inverness task on 01 Apr 07. I don't blame them at all; the level of ac being worked now is far beyond what it was at the tasks conception and is likely to continue to grow, if recent press releases are anything to go by.
As this date has now come and gone - is there any update on the situation at Inverness, have the RAF now pulled out of the Inverness task as mentioned. When are the newly trained Inverness radar controllers taking over ?
As this date has now come and gone - is there any update on the situation at Inverness, have the RAF now pulled out of the Inverness task as mentioned. When are the newly trained Inverness radar controllers taking over ?
It's hardly surprising really. HIAL loudly trumpeted that Approach Radar provision would be in place by 31st March and subsequently Lossie, who have staffing issues of their own, have not given much priority to training individuals on the Inverness task.
The quoted 'newly trained Inverness radar controllers' are very few in number with several yet to even commence the necessary rating course.
The start date has gone from 31st March to early April to late April, to early May to early June.......and has now become 'delay not determined due several ATCOs holding for management improvement'.
It could have been so different, but would they listen?
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I did the ILS calibration at Inverness this week. I was amazed at the increase in the level of traffic that seems to have occured in the past year or two.
ATC did a great job in fitting us with the rest of the traffic and all on the one frequency. I hope life becomes a bit easier for you when the radar's up and running
Cheers
ATC did a great job in fitting us with the rest of the traffic and all on the one frequency. I hope life becomes a bit easier for you when the radar's up and running
Cheers
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Radar head contract
Highlands and Islands Airports today signed a contract with Thales ATM Ltd. to provide a primary and secondary radar unit at Dalcross which will enable the airport to provide full independent radar cover to air traffic for the first time ever
http://www.hial.co.uk/Default.aspx.L...0h.Lang-EN.htm
http://www.hial.co.uk/Default.aspx.L...0h.Lang-EN.htm
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Highlands and Islands Airports today signed a contract with Thales ATM Ltd
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Inverness Radar
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What, worse than Raytheon?
DONCASTER SHEFFIELD (EGCN):
RAC : Q)EGTT/QSPLT/IV/BO/A/000/999/5328N00100W005
FROM 07/06/07 16:54 TO 07/09/30 22:59 EST C2561/07
E)SRA PROCEDURE NOT AVBL.
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DONCASTER SHEFFIELD (EGCN):
RAC : Q)EGTT/QSPLT/IV/BO/A/000/999/5328N00100W005
FROM 07/06/07 16:54 TO 07/09/30 22:59 EST C2561/07
E)SRA PROCEDURE NOT AVBL.
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