Serco, staying or going? (Merged)
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Yes Ilchew I did make that comment and edited it out soon after, as it was misconstrued to be that I was calling the malaysian guys monkeys which was not what I meant. The saying is common where I come from, and it is used to say that you get what you pay for, and while yes you can pay less and get recruits from certain areas, it has been shown in the past that these recruits have not been succesful for whatever reason. Whether that reason is due to a difficulty with english, or just they are not able to adapt in time to a different ATC culture I don't know.
Having trained one of the guys briefly, he had a big problem here, because, as executive controller on a sector, you are responsible to do all the calls, as well as the strips, as well as coordinate revisions etc. So effectively 1 guy doing the job of 2 1/2 back home, if not 3. Thats not saying that the work here is harder or easier but it is certainly different and handled in a different way.
Anyway I am sure if you are from KL, you can talk to the guys concerned and find out first hand why they didn't make it (while you're at it ask them if they have seen an Australian Air Force Coffee cup belonging to one of the the OJTI's here, that went missing the same day one of the trainees got cut
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And the comment about who trained the controllers, yes of course most of them were trained by Serco, but some were also trained by local GCAA employed guys, so as to avoid that kind of accusation and did those guys do any better? No they failed as well. The guys were given every opportunity (actually more than usual I would say), and had their training extended and still couldn't make it, so don't go blaming the training.
As far as the beer goes, from what I hear you guys are paid I think it better be me that buys the beer.
Having trained one of the guys briefly, he had a big problem here, because, as executive controller on a sector, you are responsible to do all the calls, as well as the strips, as well as coordinate revisions etc. So effectively 1 guy doing the job of 2 1/2 back home, if not 3. Thats not saying that the work here is harder or easier but it is certainly different and handled in a different way.
Anyway I am sure if you are from KL, you can talk to the guys concerned and find out first hand why they didn't make it (while you're at it ask them if they have seen an Australian Air Force Coffee cup belonging to one of the the OJTI's here, that went missing the same day one of the trainees got cut
)And the comment about who trained the controllers, yes of course most of them were trained by Serco, but some were also trained by local GCAA employed guys, so as to avoid that kind of accusation and did those guys do any better? No they failed as well. The guys were given every opportunity (actually more than usual I would say), and had their training extended and still couldn't make it, so don't go blaming the training.
As far as the beer goes, from what I hear you guys are paid I think it better be me that buys the beer.
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Ilchew,
appologies if you were offended but as airno says one of us does what it takes 3 of you guys to do in kl. a number of us reluctantly did ojti for you guys and in alot of cases it was a struggle to maintain our own licences keeping an eye on you. to be honest i'm sure kl is a far more professional and better run centre than here . consider yourself lucky. stay at home.
looks like you will have to buy airno beer , he's spent all his money on beer for GFA pilots trying to appease them.
g'day verci,
how were the sugar puffs?
Tweety, you have a good heart, and i do believe you are not a serco slave. How do i know? you obvously don't know verci.
note the number of serco/gcaa staff that have jumped in to defend him . ZERO!!!
the checking of rosters and process of elimination has started.
appologies if you were offended but as airno says one of us does what it takes 3 of you guys to do in kl. a number of us reluctantly did ojti for you guys and in alot of cases it was a struggle to maintain our own licences keeping an eye on you. to be honest i'm sure kl is a far more professional and better run centre than here . consider yourself lucky. stay at home.
looks like you will have to buy airno beer , he's spent all his money on beer for GFA pilots trying to appease them.
g'day verci,
how were the sugar puffs?
Tweety, you have a good heart, and i do believe you are not a serco slave. How do i know? you obvously don't know verci.
note the number of serco/gcaa staff that have jumped in to defend him . ZERO!!!
the checking of rosters and process of elimination has started.
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Rambo is doing a runner now too.? heat is becoming too much. looks like the writing iss the wall, or is it. He does so many u-turns , as you know) he ties himself up in knots. where else could he survive? YEMEN!!!
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And the Oscar goes to........
Wow ........the storie just gets better.... and ......better who wrote the script ?
This is better than Days of our lives. So who is sc
ng who again ?
Come on guys and girls, time for controllers to stand together world wide. Seems you all get shafted no matter where in the world you go.
Surely you guys have the power of working to rule to prove a point, but it is rumoured that the arse creepers always end up spoiling the party.
Just to leave, up and go ( vote with your feet ) is not so easy specially those with families.
Take care of us up in the sky, you are doing a great job !Considering you have your one hand tied behind your back and someone holding you by the b s
Dct No Speed
This is better than Days of our lives. So who is sc
ng who again ?Come on guys and girls, time for controllers to stand together world wide. Seems you all get shafted no matter where in the world you go.
Surely you guys have the power of working to rule to prove a point, but it is rumoured that the arse creepers always end up spoiling the party.
Just to leave, up and go ( vote with your feet ) is not so easy specially those with families.
Take care of us up in the sky, you are doing a great job !Considering you have your one hand tied behind your back and someone holding you by the b
sDct No Speed
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Dct No Speed, descend fl 270 due non RVSM. W is in the wrong field of your fpl. lucifer says you must go down!!!. another few tonnes wasted. Mate you would have to work here to see how whacky it is. it's like a kids movie. you do have to be a little juvenile to endure it. have you seen Monsters Inc. remember the scene ''we've gotta twenty three nineteen''. That's just like a certain ''Code Red '' Debacle that happened here awhile back initiated by our good friend ''VERCI.''
Aaaaawe!! come on verci stop sobbing.
the kicking will end soon . i promise
Aaaaawe!! come on verci stop sobbing.
the kicking will end soon . i promise
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....llchew et al
I stand by my words my friend...I was at the receiving end of the circus and I am sorry but that's the way it is.
My current star employers are going the same way and well, time will tell...but the word on the street is turbo prop time is now acceptable, why, because we have run out of jet time pilots that want to come here!
My current star employers are going the same way and well, time will tell...but the word on the street is turbo prop time is now acceptable, why, because we have run out of jet time pilots that want to come here!
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Burj. dear little sweet pea. if memory is correct certain "code red" caused us in the deep south to stop operations. Again, if memory is correct and attributed sources are to be believed (always a question mark here) a certain little marsupial neglected to inform his superiors of the status and his immediate superior took over the situation some 30 minutes later, at which time we were told of the situation and stopped all operations.
Q. What was supposed to happen yesterday?
A. Sweet F---- All.
Love & kisses.
Marvin (yawn yawn, that deep death could be so sweet & silent)
Q. What was supposed to happen yesterday?
A. Sweet F---- All.
Love & kisses.
Marvin (yawn yawn, that deep death could be so sweet & silent)
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Vercingetorix...
Sorry old son, you may have superiors...we marsupials don't. We may have supervisors or even seniors, but as the old cowboy said "superior? Sumbitch ain't been born yet"
cheers.
Sorry old son, you may have superiors...we marsupials don't. We may have supervisors or even seniors, but as the old cowboy said "superior? Sumbitch ain't been born yet"
cheers.
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To Burj letMfly
Burj,
Thanks for the descend will check with ops about the wrong FPL, ( Still No speed, confirm...) (no I dont work for Gulf Air ha !ha!)So who is in the role of" No One "and "Randal"? Verci sounds like at least one of them .
My Dear letMfly,
Think you need time of to do TRM, by the sounds of it not a lot of this at Auh.
Is TRM not the course you do when you have been a bit naughty sort of like a fine instead of prison ? I know that is how it gets done elsewhere. Inccident = T.R.M
I Maintain you boys are doing a good job ,considering come on ATC's unite.
Forever requesting
Dct No Speed
Thanks for the descend will check with ops about the wrong FPL, ( Still No speed, confirm...) (no I dont work for Gulf Air ha !ha!)So who is in the role of" No One "and "Randal"? Verci sounds like at least one of them .
My Dear letMfly,
Think you need time of to do TRM, by the sounds of it not a lot of this at Auh.
Is TRM not the course you do when you have been a bit naughty sort of like a fine instead of prison ? I know that is how it gets done elsewhere. Inccident = T.R.M
I Maintain you boys are doing a good job ,considering come on ATC's unite.
Forever requesting
Dct No Speed
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Wow, this is like watching an episode of the Waltons.......NOT.
Lighten up guys. State your case, by all means, but why all the vitriole? Score your points, if you must, but with a little more grace and subtlety.
You must have a more interesting workplace than ours, judging by the verbal fisticuffs.
So what about the original point of the thread? Any further goss about the future of the contract?
Have a good one, guys!
Lighten up guys. State your case, by all means, but why all the vitriole? Score your points, if you must, but with a little more grace and subtlety.
You must have a more interesting workplace than ours, judging by the verbal fisticuffs.
So what about the original point of the thread? Any further goss about the future of the contract?
Have a good one, guys!
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What happened to the Serco UAE thread?
Hey Mods,
What happened to the Serco abu dhabi thread?
I have been off for a while and came back to find it gone?
Rumour hat on...Serco Bahrain are going to be offering 2800BD plus accomodation, airfares, gratuity, medical etc.
That has to be worth more than the current UAE GCA contract, which I hear is way more than UAE Serco guys are on.
The question is why does someone in Bahrain get that much more than one in UAE (or DXB for that matter) I would have thought surely that a Serco employee is a Serco employee, so the salary should be similar, just taking into account cost of living etc?
Or have I missed something in commonsense 101?
What happened to the Serco abu dhabi thread?
I have been off for a while and came back to find it gone?
Rumour hat on...Serco Bahrain are going to be offering 2800BD plus accomodation, airfares, gratuity, medical etc.
That has to be worth more than the current UAE GCA contract, which I hear is way more than UAE Serco guys are on.
The question is why does someone in Bahrain get that much more than one in UAE (or DXB for that matter) I would have thought surely that a Serco employee is a Serco employee, so the salary should be similar, just taking into account cost of living etc?
Or have I missed something in commonsense 101?
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It will be back ... once I get 5 minutes to remove all the posts (and posters) who seem to think calling someone a pr**k (or variations thereof) is sensible adult ATC debate ...
I ain't in a rush though. A fine bottle of vino is number one in the slot queue,
I ain't in a rush though. A fine bottle of vino is number one in the slot queue,
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PPRadar...
Thanks for the advice, sorry that the thread had drifted into personal attacks...any chance it could be called lively banter??
thought not
But for all you Serco guys out there....could someone kindly answer the question about salaries and conditions?
I mean if a ficticious airline ran ops out of 3 airports, lets call them Bahrain, Dubai and Abu Dhabi (purely for an example of course
)
Ran basically the same types, doing the same job, would it not be reasonable to expect the same or similar renumeration and conditionsin each?
Perhaps a premium to be paid to account for extra cost of housing in each, similar to what they do in Eurocontrol.
Perhaps Verci may like to give us an answer...
Thanks for the advice, sorry that the thread had drifted into personal attacks...any chance it could be called lively banter??
thought not
But for all you Serco guys out there....could someone kindly answer the question about salaries and conditions?
I mean if a ficticious airline ran ops out of 3 airports, lets call them Bahrain, Dubai and Abu Dhabi (purely for an example of course
)Ran basically the same types, doing the same job, would it not be reasonable to expect the same or similar renumeration and conditionsin each?
Perhaps a premium to be paid to account for extra cost of housing in each, similar to what they do in Eurocontrol.
Perhaps Verci may like to give us an answer...
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I mean if a ficticious airline ran ops out of 3 airports, lets call them Bahrain, Dubai and Abu Dhabi (purely for an example of course ) Ran basically the same types, doing the same job, would it not be reasonable to expect the same or similar renumeration and conditionsin each?
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Gone awfully quiet out there
A few questions for those affected.
1. Would you stay in UAE if Serco got the boot, or would you go too,
2. What would it take to make you stay, and,
3. Could Serco possible buy back any goodwill by trumping that offer?
Sniping aside please
A few questions for those affected.
1. Would you stay in UAE if Serco got the boot, or would you go too,
2. What would it take to make you stay, and,
3. Could Serco possible buy back any goodwill by trumping that offer?
Sniping aside please