New Hawks for RAF (Merged)

[noisy]

Sky News are reporting that the MoD contract for a trainer jet has been awarded to BAE Systems.

This will Secure about two thousand jobs at the Brough plant in Yorkshire.

:ok:

[AIRWAY]

Great news, even better that it will secure jobs:ok:

[Archimedes]

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3110983.stm for more details

[noisy]

You got that right! I can't afford to have all those guys with their skills and experience clogging up the job market now, can I!

:D

[Bob Viking]

Would love to read about it but the link doesn't seem to work.

[Archimedes]

Bob, try now...

[Bob Viking]

Cheers.
Wonder which model they opted for! I can personally vouch for the 115! But maybe not the T1!

[tony draper]

Do you know that at one time with 800 million, you could have bought 160,000 Spitfires, bloody inflation huh.
:rolleyes:

[Bo Nalls]

Looks like it's the 128. see this page (http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/03paris/topstor03.htm)

[Runaway Gun]

The new Hawk specifications certainly look great, and it carries near everything that opens and shuts. OBOGs, color MFDs, multi-missiles, more thrust; fantastic stuff for a trainer.

What did the Aermacchi proposal (Yak130 variant) not have?;)

[KPax]

I don't wish to sound unpatriotic, but is this the best ac for the job?, or are we buying British because we have to. ie is the F15,F16or F18 not better than the Tornado. Was the Black Hawk not the choice the Army and Airforce wanted. Surely in this day and age we want the best for the job rather than buy British because we have to. PS I have been in a long time and it gets frustrating knowing that there is better kit out there that we can't have because it is not made in the UK. SA80.

[Capt BK]

For those of us living in Hull this has been great news. Vitually everyone around here knows someone who works there so it's a great weight off local shoulders.:D

Anyway, the RAF don't want no cheap Italian jets:ok: (No offence to Italians)

[bighedsmallface]

Bob Viking - surely as such an expert on the 115 you could give us a few reasons.....;)

[Bob Viking]

I could be wrong, but I'm sure we've met before!!!
Oh, hang on a minute, don't we currently share a bathroom in a foreign mess?!
I tell you, what I don't know about the Hawk 115.......


(Is quite a lot actually!) :zzz: (me in groundschool classes!)

[tradewind]

Quotes from the link:

Derek Simpson, general secretary of the Amicus union, told the BBC: "I think this is a win-win-win situation, good for the government, good for the company and good for employees in British manufacturing.".......

What about the operators?!

......."The looks on people's faces were like they were waiting for the ball to sail over the bar - but in this case it's gone straight into the back of the net."

I only hope it is not an own goal!

[Hueymeister]

Fat **** two Jags will be pleased..it's just saved his constituency!........W:mad: nker!

[Runaway Gun]

Ciao Bella Aermacchi jets !! :cool:
Also cool BAe Hawks !! :p

Ciao.

[jungly]

Does the Hawk 128 have a HUD for both pilots......? Or does the QFI get the HUD image on one of his/her MFDs?

The competitors were offering the 2 HUD cockpit....M339 etc

[FFP]

Bob and Bighead . . . . .

Remember for every CBT you find there`s about 3 you don`t !!!
Hope the Cool Pool is treating you well !:ok:

[Tall Sunken Eyes]

Bob and Big Head.

You travelled all that way and you're still sharing a toilet?

Did you buy a colonial XBox too?

Hope the 115 treats you well

When you back in blighty?

Check me out. All four colours. Damn thats good.

Stay in trim.... :*

[Runaway Gun]

http://static1.photobox.co.uk/images/link/3/d1eab9d11590ba765362_165478_4030651.jpg?ch=71

Hard to say from this shot, but I'm gambling just the front seater has a HUD. (Taken at RIAT two weeks ago).

[Bob Viking]

FFP.
Don't tell me you even bothered with the CBT's?! I think I now know why there are a few gaps in my knowledge!
Do we know each other?

TSE.
Greetings from over here. Trust things are well. They'll still be some 115's left when it's your turn! PM me to let me know how you're getting on.

[Ex Douglas Driver]

:hmm:

Hawk 127 has 3 displays in the rear, with no HUD. The centre display is up on the glare shield. The rear displays are capable of slaved or independent operation - the centre seperate from the remaining two (eg centre independent, L/R slaved to front or any combo). This is achieved by having 2 Display & Mission Computers, with the front (Primary DMC) having a graphics generator for the HUD attached.

The top centre MFD is usually on independent with the HUD display up. When attempting to teach guns tracking or monitoring V.V. placement etc, camera can be selected (damn hard to see the bandit - cue excuses to Bloggs about difficulty tracking etc!!). Having flown the 339 with a HUD, I'd prefer to have one in the Hawk as well and move the centre display back down to the instrument panel.

The Hawk 127 is a good training aircraft, but it still needs to mature. Some of the key presses or sequences to do a simple task are very long winded and are not logical. We're getting there but as usual contractual issues get in the way.

Other things: Do other Hawk operators have problems with rear cockpit noise particularly when at high IAS, and then going to idle? This one does.

[bighedsmallface]

Fine Creamie technique there. Are you currently impressing the local ladies with your robust event technique? Is Minime still in the house? Is the douche working you hard?

As you can imagine, my roommates' toilet habits have not changed. I like to call it the 'dawn chorus'.

"Here's what we'll do....":oh: :mad: ;)

[FFP]

CBT`s . . . .. . . . . no . . . . .. . . . . . .Used the laptop to full advantage for PPrune and e mail though !!!

May know each other from the V place . . . ..

Have one at Moons for me and a $72 deluxe suite at the Westin in Edm too !!

[raytofclimb]

Sorry to slash on the bonfire here but is everyone forgetting how often we are let down by our own flagship defence contractor?

The chances are it will be late, it will be more expensive and bits won't work as adverised. History has a habit of repeating itself.

I'm all for safeguarding jobs but how many more times do we have to shoot ourselves in the foot? I hope this particular procurement is more tightly controlled than the more recent ones.

(But hey, if someone gets an extra stripe to top up the pension pot then what the hell............?)


Ray (cynic)

[Vectoredthrust]

As one who has spent many (more than 10) years flight-testing this splendid aircraft I can say that unfortunately you are confusing the performance of BWOS as whole when in fact the problem is at its 'jewel in the crown' (hint its near Morecombe). When Hawks were produced from their original birth place, they worked and were delivered on time or even earlier - War role mod springs to mind. Unfortunately we do not have the benefit of that little nugget any more - progress I'm afraid.

[steamchicken]

You have, after months of intensive lobbying, grovelling, wrapping yourself in the Union Jack, threatening to close everything etc, secured a vast contract to supply aeroplanes to the RAF. Do you -

a) Do everything possible to deliver the goods on time and on budget.

b) Do your best but - unfortunately - run slightly over the contract price.

c) Promise much, but immediately the contract is signed start briefing the press that it's too difficult. Say it's impossible to do the job for the money you agreed to. Beg the MOD for more money.

d) Until the deadline for delivery is staring you in the face, declare that everything is fine. Then suddenly announce that you can't make the wings fit. Demand £800 million more from the MoD. Offer instead to deliver half the number of aircraft with 2 wings between every three airframes and no guns, in 2009. Tell all your workers they're going to be sacked in 90 days' time unless the government pays up. Settle for £100 million more. 1 day after the government cheque clears, announce the hugely lucrative foreign order (to be produced by the workers you threatened to sack last week) you've signed but were keeping under your hat until the MoD coughed up.

[emitex]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, a toss-up between c) and d)......

:8

[Roland sizzers]

Just driven the Execs Vauxhall Corsa. Diesel, no power steering, radio removed, dodgy rear axle... still it was value for money and it was at least the best small car available at the time, it won its fleet purchase contract purchase in a fair competition......

Surely we wouldn't purchase another 30 year old model on the basis that the radio doesn't work and it's available in black?

On 2nd thoughts, if they could just bring it into service at Chivenor.........:O

[Runaway Gun]

That mate's rates special Corsa deal is fine if you only drive cars. When it breaks down, pull over to the side of the road, and call AA on your trusty cheap mobile phone.

Stepping out of a jet when it breaks down is a slightly bigger deal.

NB. I am not having a go at the Hawk or BAe, am just questioning Rolland Sizzers' logic for saving money.
By the way, can you operate a Hawk on Diesel with no Hydraulic services or Radios, and a dodgy rear axle? ;)

[NoSurrender]

Just driven the Execs Vauxhall Corsa. Diesel, no power steering, radio removed, dodgy rear axle...

A Vauxhaul Omega may have a dodgy rear axle but a Corsa will not as it is front wheel drive!