Two Cocks
25th Jul 2003, 13:16
Hi all
Just a comment/debate on the necessity of searching airline pilots before they board their aircraft when they going to be locked in the cockpit anyway?
What happens if they and search you? Would you refuse? Even though I have nothing to hide but what a waste of my time.
I mean would I want to hijack my own plane? Have you ever heard of a pilot hijacking his own plane?
The question then arises about the pilot giving his weapon to a passenger to hijack the plane. Um...... YEA RIGHT.
I had an incident today where the security guy tried to stop and search me. I refused and walked away from the security check back into the terminal.
I then took the back route behind the counter where the bags go, around the security check point to my plane.
What happens if I were a 747 pilot in Auckland and I was making my way through the final security check just prior to boarding my plane and I refused to the check. After all in Auckland, you have to go through Customs and a xray machine before you get to the gate anyway. Then on top of that you get xrayed AGAIN!!!
What if I refused? What if the Captain, F/O and S/O all refused? Image it, standing with the rest of the crew waiting to preflight the plane and get navigation setup, with the 300 odd pax behind you waiting to board and refusing to be searched again. "No I refuse to be search again, I've been searched already and I'm going into a secured cockpit with no access to the pax for 14 hours".
I would go back to the crewroom and wait. What would the guy do? Delay the plane with 300 odd pax looking at him. Delay the next plane that wants my gate after I taxi, hold up the 14 flight? I wonder how much money would be lost in this little incident?
I refuse to be searched time and time again when there's nothing there. As crew locked into a secure cockpit why should I be searched.
The security measures that were put in place after Sep 11 were made without thinking by the powers up stairs. There has to be a balance to it and right now there is no balance.
Look at the case recently on a Thai Airlines flight where the guy stabbed another passsenger with a metal fork. After Sep 11 metal knifes were taken away. Replaced with plastic ones but still metal forks are allowed.
The guy with the wooden stake is another example. Would go through the detectors without a problem.
What about the guy sitting at the end of the runway with a surface to air missile in his hands?
Let's face it people, the security issue is very messy and has huge holes in it. I think I might have expanded the orginal topic here but lets have some common sense measures in place.
For one - let the crew go through the whole security thing. They let you have an axe on the flight deck but tweezers are out?
Security get sensible.
If you still want to search me then I'll continue to go around the back to get to my plane. Then I can carry whatever I like onto the plane and I'll still be secure in my cockpit!!!
Just a comment/debate on the necessity of searching airline pilots before they board their aircraft when they going to be locked in the cockpit anyway?
What happens if they and search you? Would you refuse? Even though I have nothing to hide but what a waste of my time.
I mean would I want to hijack my own plane? Have you ever heard of a pilot hijacking his own plane?
The question then arises about the pilot giving his weapon to a passenger to hijack the plane. Um...... YEA RIGHT.
I had an incident today where the security guy tried to stop and search me. I refused and walked away from the security check back into the terminal.
I then took the back route behind the counter where the bags go, around the security check point to my plane.
What happens if I were a 747 pilot in Auckland and I was making my way through the final security check just prior to boarding my plane and I refused to the check. After all in Auckland, you have to go through Customs and a xray machine before you get to the gate anyway. Then on top of that you get xrayed AGAIN!!!
What if I refused? What if the Captain, F/O and S/O all refused? Image it, standing with the rest of the crew waiting to preflight the plane and get navigation setup, with the 300 odd pax behind you waiting to board and refusing to be searched again. "No I refuse to be search again, I've been searched already and I'm going into a secured cockpit with no access to the pax for 14 hours".
I would go back to the crewroom and wait. What would the guy do? Delay the plane with 300 odd pax looking at him. Delay the next plane that wants my gate after I taxi, hold up the 14 flight? I wonder how much money would be lost in this little incident?
I refuse to be searched time and time again when there's nothing there. As crew locked into a secure cockpit why should I be searched.
The security measures that were put in place after Sep 11 were made without thinking by the powers up stairs. There has to be a balance to it and right now there is no balance.
Look at the case recently on a Thai Airlines flight where the guy stabbed another passsenger with a metal fork. After Sep 11 metal knifes were taken away. Replaced with plastic ones but still metal forks are allowed.
The guy with the wooden stake is another example. Would go through the detectors without a problem.
What about the guy sitting at the end of the runway with a surface to air missile in his hands?
Let's face it people, the security issue is very messy and has huge holes in it. I think I might have expanded the orginal topic here but lets have some common sense measures in place.
For one - let the crew go through the whole security thing. They let you have an axe on the flight deck but tweezers are out?
Security get sensible.
If you still want to search me then I'll continue to go around the back to get to my plane. Then I can carry whatever I like onto the plane and I'll still be secure in my cockpit!!!