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maxalt
29th Nov 2001, 17:40
The Aer Rianta management of SNN airport have just announced forecasts for major job losses at that airport next year as a result of the transatlantic tourism downturn.

They have told the government that the best chance for boosting tourism is to set up a 'low cost operators' terminal in SNN.

Meanwhile Michael O'Leary is having a head to head with the government over his demands to be allowed set up a 'low cost operators' terminal in Dublin so that he can save Irish Tourism in 2002.

It would appear that everyone but O'Leary is beginning to see the need for the facility is in SNN, not in already overcrowded Dublin, and he's being given a clear green light to make the move.

O'Leary has remained silent so far. Most untypical of the man.

I believe his bluff has been well and truly called.

DW11
29th Nov 2001, 18:30
So Ryanair want Aer Rianta to build a low cost terminal at Dublin, where they already have a large operation, which is 5 miles from Dublin has a catchment area of over 1 million and is a favoured European destination for weekend breaks.

Aer Rianta meanwhile would like to build a low cost terminal at Shannon, which is 5 miles from nowhere, has a catchment area of possibly 250,000 and as a European destination is popular with the odd German fishermen, but only during the summer.

Well, it's easy to see which company lives in the real world. Michael O'Leary must be terrified.

akerosid
29th Nov 2001, 21:39
It seems tourism groups are finally noticing the difference between Aer Lingus and Ryanair.

The former can, to its continuing misfortune - hence the Shannon stopover - be told "you're doing x, y, z . . ." and have to put up with it. Ryanair is in a position to tell people to "sod off", as it seems to be doing. It may well be that FR can add more services to SNN, as it's offered to do in the past, but Dublin represents huge opportunities for a low cost carrier.

That said, behind the scenes, one has to wonder if EI is frantically lobbying to prevent FR being allowed to set up a hub at DUB, which would certainly make life extremely difficult in Europe.

Perhaps it's time WW and other senior EI people stood up and started ranting a bit, a la MO'L; after all, having been through quite a few CEOs over the past few years, they're hardly going to sack someone for expressing an opinion?

PadLock
29th Nov 2001, 22:38
When MOL says DUB doesn't he really mean SNN? FR can stil call it Dublin(SNN), it's the same island innit?!! :rolleyes:

airbourne
30th Nov 2001, 00:20
BillyFish2,

Nice to see that you hold your country in such high esteem. Maybe you should leave and go to somewhere where theres is lots of bustling activity. Ireland may be rural in parts but not as you have described. Besides, Limerick city is about a 20min drive from SNN. I would agree I would not drive to SNN to get a cheap flight, but dont knock your country. Have you no national pride?

fionan
30th Nov 2001, 02:16
Didn't Ryanair already pull everything out of Shannon 5 or 6 years ago without a second thought. Incidently how does he hope to have a new terminal ready to save Irish tourism by next Summer!!?

It amazes me how many people swallow Mo'L. ;) ;) ;)

hobie
30th Nov 2001, 03:09
I remember being talked into starting a manufacturing operation in shannon some years ago .... everything we made was shipped by air, to as I recall, more than two dozen countries around the world ..... our operation ran 24/7 and had business visitors from all over the world that never failed to praise the operation and its level of sophistication .... I always considered the Irish nation to be united but believe me ..... forget it ..... the hostility between Dublin and anywhere else in the country, when it comes to industrial developement and aviation policy is beyond believe ..... sad really

ps .... the operation is still running flat out some 27 years later and I'm still very proud of it, even if its located in that one horse airport, Shannon, that moved two and a half million passengers last year

maxalt
30th Nov 2001, 06:44
DW11 So Ryanair want Aer Rianta to build a low cost terminal at Dublin, where they already have a large operation, which is 5 miles from Dublin has a catchment area of over 1 million and is a favoured European destination for weekend breaks.

BillyFish2 SNN is in the arse-end of nowhere. The nearest town is a one horse town without the horse. It takes 2.5 hours on a very fast motorbike to get to Dublin, not that I would ever consider breaking the speed limit...

The arse-end of nowhere that you so eloquently refer to is the very region that needs the tourists. Kerry being a prime example, in that it lives almost entirely on the tourist trade and it's unspoiled state is the main attraction to the place.

You two gentlemen are as thick as pig **** if you think O'Leary has the least bit of an interest in Irish tourism.

Maybe he should say...'Irish Tourism....but only if it's in Dublin, and arrives via Ryanair'.

There's another aspect to this whole debate that's been ignored, and it is this.
Given the history of corruption between politics and business in this country, why the hell would we favour giving control of a national resource (like our airports) over to a selfish and ruthless business man like O'Leary?

I might be accused of having certain prejudices against him...true...but I don't care if it's him or the pope of Rome...no businessman should ever be given the kind of monopolistic and unfettered franchise to assetts belonging to Irish taxpayers (of which I am one).

Tarek Nor
30th Nov 2001, 07:11
Billyfish2

QUOTE
For those of you not familiar with Ireland, outside of Dublin and Cork, there is virtually no one living there. We have a handful of tiny regional airports serviced by 4 ATR-42's. It's not exactly bustling folks.
UNQUOTE

Waterford seems to be bustling enough to
support 10 flights a week from LTN, and 2
soon to be 3 flights a week from LPL with
our (Euroceltic) Fokker 27's. :cool:

Ireland's Call
30th Nov 2001, 11:44
What's your beef maxalt? Are you living in some kind of socialist fantasy land where the free market and businessmen like M'OL are decreed to be almost Satanic?

If a business can operate in the commercial world without any aid or interference from their government, pumping a substantial amount of money into the economy should we not applaud them?

Government ownership does not work Maxalt, surely everyone realises that now.

DW11
30th Nov 2001, 14:45
Maxalt,

Never said and don't believe that O'Leary cares in the slightest about Irish Tourism. What he does care about is Ryanair's profits. This sensibly leads him to the conclusion that the best place for a low cost hub in Ireland is Dublin.

Aer Rianta also don't care in the slightest about Irish Tourism. What they care about is the future of their little empires and ultimately saving their own necks.

Now lets have a look at the possible reasons behind Aer Rianta's proposal.

Shannon:
Lot's of land available at little or no cost. Construction will have little or no impact on current services. Development may stifle future growth at Cork (past hobby of Aer Rianta) and Galway (not run by Aer Rianta, so couldn't give a damn).

Dublin:
Land is at a premium with green field locations in private hands. Expect local opposition to airport expansion. Airfield is already congested and lacking in aircraft stands. Construction will have sizeable impact on current operations. Development will have little or no impact on Cork, Shannon or Galway.

Now, tell me that developing Shannon is in the interest of Irish Tourism and not just because it's a damn sight less hassle for Aer Rianta.


On corruption between politics and business, have you missed the staring rolls of CIE, Dublin Corporation and the Blood Transfusion Service at the tribunals. Private companies may rip us off but they'll never do it with such style and utter contempt as our government controlled bodies. They also won't kill members of the public and get away with it, but then that's the Ireland
we all love so much, isn't it.

maxalt
30th Nov 2001, 16:55
You two heroes are completely forgetting something. It wasn't I who invented the line about O'Leary saving Irish Tourism. He plastered it all over the national newspapers when announcing his new base in the backwoods of western Germany.
So don't get so defensive of his bona fides. He has none, as you've pointed out, thereby confirming his expensive propaganda campaign to be the pack of lies that it is.

As to the style and contempt you refer to DW11, O'Leary has contempt and righteous indignation down to a fine art. He showed utter contempt for the many people about to lose their jobs in Aer Lingus.
I think you're making a glaring miscalculation if you believe you can compare the incompetence of certain state agencies with the sleaze and corruption of our politicians and so called 'businessmen'. The fact that you're prepared to draw a parallel at all just goes to show how twisted Irish society has become.

I'll tell you one thing. The only way O'Leary will get his free run is over the dead body of Fianna Fail.

If that makes me a socialist, then I'm proud to be called one. But I'd rather be called a Republican Nationalist.

maxalt
30th Nov 2001, 17:32
I'm no Fianna Fail lacky. No political party in the Republic of Ireland has the slightest bit of interest for me. I'll be voting SF. Gerry will soon sort the ******s out.

As for O'Leary being 'good fun'. Tell that to the two pilots he summarily sacked this year, and to the wannabes who have to pay to get their application read. He's an unmitigated arsehole.

(By the way, it's not jusat a persona he adopts for the media...he's just the same in real life.)

DW11
30th Nov 2001, 17:38
Maxalt,

Nobody said that you invented O'Leary's words about Irish Tourism, But you do seem to infer that I believe them "You two gentlemen are as thick as pig **** if you think O'Leary has the least bit of an interest in Irish tourism".

"I think you're making a glaring miscalculation if you believe you can compare the incompetence of certain state agencies with the sleaze and corruption of our politicians and so called 'businessmen'. The fact that you're prepared to draw a parallel at all just goes to show how twisted Irish society has become".

The Blood transfusion service provided people in this country with blood products that killed them. They then tried to cover this up and when found out pass the blame off on someone who had since died. If this is run of the mill for you, then I don't think it is Irish society that has become twisted.

Now back to the original point:

"It would appear that everyone but O'Leary is beginning to see the need for the facility is in SNN, not in already overcrowded Dublin, and he's being given a clear green light to make the move"

Who exactly apart from Aer Rianta and you, agrees with this statement.

kippa
30th Nov 2001, 18:50
When I read this headline I was sure the punchline had to be ...AND THE UNIVERSE..

Pass the kryptonite.... New uniform standard..underpants to be worn outside trousers. OR ELSE...summary dismissal..

flypastpastfast
30th Nov 2001, 19:11
What utter bollocks from ryanair. What a guy MOL is, I mean what a guy. Quoted by reuters as saying "they don't call me santie for nothing" in relation to his free flights promo.

People at Dublin would do well not to panic. Aviation across EU and US will pick up again in a few months. To go down the road of Ryanair calling all the shots would produce short term gains with serious long term losses. Rather like selling your soul to the devil. Budget airlines realise the market will pick up again, and so also realise they must shout long and hard as quickly as possible to get what they want before their nonsense about 'only budget airlines can work' gets blown out of the water.

The Irish government would be wise and right to do all it can to ensure air lingus survives. In a few months this will all be a thing of the past.

maxalt
30th Nov 2001, 21:53
DW11, incompetence, cover ups and heartlessness in the medical profession are unforgiveable, and not much different from the bottomless greed for money and power demonstrated in the daily revelations about our business people and politicians, all made public since the fall from grace of C.J. Haughey. But would you give the blood transfusion service a blank cheque to repeat the behaviour in future? Public accountability is needed. That goes for business as well.

You assert that my views on the SNN termninal are only my opinion (and Aer Riantas). Well no actually. The Sunday Tribune business section led with a full page article last wek by Brian Carey in which he made a lucid and fact based assesment of where the true need for low cost capacity was in this country. He came down firmly on the side of SNN.

BillyFish, Would that be with intimidation, knee capping or just a plain old car bomb?
None of the above is the answer. Like him or not, the man has more integrity in his little finger than the whole gang in the Dail put together (witness the recent shenanigans by Gildea and Owen).

maxalt
2nd Dec 2001, 06:06
Here's the article I referred to;

Sunday Tribune (Irish) Business Section,
25th November 2001,
Brian Carey (Auth),


With O'Leary now on the cusp of securing the deal of his business life, a 10-year low-charges agreement at the most important airport in his universe, it is worth examining just how beneficial O'Leary and Ryanair will be for Irish tourism. Is the deal going to be good for Michael or good for tourism? Are the two the same? And most importantly is Aer Rianta and its chairman Noel Hanlon about to roll over and let O'Leary charge triumphantly into Dublin Airport?
The answer to the final question is a resounding "no". The airport authority will this week entertain the government's expert committee on the response of the tourism industry to the 11th September. It will spell out a few home truths.

First off, if Aer Rianta offers Ryanair landing charges at 1 skull for 10 years, it must do the same for other carriers. That means Aer Rianta's income from aeronautical charges will be 14M next year. The company's rates and insurance bill next year will be 16M Its interest bill is almost 18m.

By law. Aer Rianta has a commercial mandate. It also has bond-holders owed EU250M and owes a further EU100M to the European Investment Bank. The new low charge regime will put the company into losses, threatening a default on its bonds. Does the government want another struggling semi-state in north county Dublin?

A new "pier" is not a new terminal, it is Just a spur off an existing terminal, Aer Rianta charges are broken down on the basis of landing fees road access and security. Passengers trundling to the new pier would use the same road access to the airport, the same runways for takeoff and landing, and the same security. For all that, the airports regulator reckons airlines should be charged 4.41 a passenger. So how can the airport charge 1 a passenger to Ryanair's customers? It is understood that regulator Bill Prasifka examined the idea of setting up a low-cost pier at Dublin, The expert committee might ring Prasifka for his view.

The coup de race will cut atraight to the chase and might go something like this: "Yes, we will offer a 1 a skull landing charge. Yes we will offer a lO year deal. We will even throw in some marketing support and cut-price office accommodation. But we will not offer it in Dublin at a pier constructed by you, we will offer It in Shannon".

Shannon is almost as far from Dublin as Ryanair's new European hub, Hahn, is from Frankfurt. And, interestingly the owner of Frankfurt Airport is a 73% shareholder in Hahn, yet there was no cut price deal on offer to Ryanair at the main airport.

But this is all about tourism.

Which part of the country Is suffering most from the drop off in the transatlantic traffic? The west.
Which part of the country would benefit from a new "low cost airport" at Shannon?
The west.
And which airport will be wiped off the map if the EU finally declares open skies across the Atlantic and hence desperately needs to develop new routes?
Shannon.

The move will represent a major departure in airport policy It will be aimed at incentivising traffic into Shannon, an airport currently operating at under one-third of its capacity But most importantly the move would not just be a knee jerk reaction to events of 11 September. The new Pier D at Dublin will not be constructed until 2003, so where is the great deal for Irish tourism in its hour of need?
O'Leary is offering new routes from Shannon as a barter for his new pier but that hardly represent a proactive policy for the western airport.
It would benefit all airlines, not just low fares, not just Ryanair.

If Aer Rianta wants to play dirty it can always highlight the current situation with Go. Chief executive Barbara Cassani told the Financial Times that the airline was considering pulling off at least one of Its Dublin routes, The reason: the aggressive response from Ryanair to its arrival. The Irish airline also saw off Virgin Express from Shannon.
O'Leary told this newspaper in September that he would not stand for any operator coming Into Ireland and "trying to eat our lunch". Are these the actions of a man who has the best interests of Irish tourism at heart, rather than that of Ryanair?

O'Leary wants a long term low charge deal at Dublin, the same as he has at Beauvais, Charleroi and Hahn. Aer Rianta says Dublin is an international airport, not a dressed-up former military field, and one third of all passengers going through Dublin are business passengers who expect better facilities (even if they don't get them). It has a role to play in tourism development but that is not its function.

O'Leary's best defence is that Ryanair will deliver. It always has and it is now emerging as one of the most powerful forces in european aviation. Aer Rianta should have developed Shannon as a low-cost hub yearsago. But it didn't. It was far more interested in over-spending on facilities in Dublin, engaging in retail development rather than airport management.

Does the government want Michael O'Leary to become the most powerful man in Irish tourism? Equally, can it rely on Aer Rianta to provide a service that will really tempt tourists and really develop Shannon as a stand-on-its-own-two-feet airport?

Questions, questions.

The Guvnor
3rd Dec 2001, 16:08
Ummmmm, why on earth would anyone want to build a low cost terminal in SNN (nearest city, well medium sized town :rolleyes: = Limerick aka Stab City, with a regional population of ca 200k) when they could be in Dublin (nearest city Dublin, very popular with the Euros as a weekend break destination, regional population well over 1m).

You need to be careful here, maxalt - I thought that the whole point of the Celtic Tiger economy was to prove that all those jokes about Irishmen were completely false? :D :D

Incidentally, as a Republican Nationalist, does that put you in the same box as Eamon DeValera - who probably did more to destroy the Irish economy since King William; and who oversaw the deaths of true Irishmen? Thought so... :rolleyes:

maxalt
3rd Dec 2001, 16:44
So now the Guv is an expert on Irish history too?

Is there no limit to the mans(?) intellect?

Guv, the subject is not Irish history but SNN airport. Stick to the subject.

Your argument about SNNs remoteness from seems hilarious to me when you are talking about the same operator which delivers passengers into Hahn and calls it Frankfurt.

Your classification of Limerick as a backwater yet again ignores the point, which was that MO'L is going to save Irish tourism (he says) and that the vast majority of Irelands tourist infrastructure is based within 50 to 100 miles of SNN airport.

Anyhow, the Ryans would be familiar with Limerick...that's where they started. Are you forgetting GPA is based there? The worlds biggest a/c leasing company in recent times.

Billyfish, all that you proved there is you like typing a lot.

The excellent points made in the Tribune article are not referred to in your post, let alone countered.

A poor attempt at a side step.

Faire d'income
3rd Dec 2001, 17:12
BillyFish2
I think I would defend MOL's right to turn what was an ailing airline into the success story it is today

Do you remember how he did that. The government bailed him out! That same government now refuse to aid in any fashion a company they have brought to its knees and which they own on behalf of Ireland.

The individual members of this government obviously feel they have served their time. They are now feathering their nests. I wonder how many will be Fr directors within 5 Years. ( O'Rourke obviously won't! ). My money is on Harney!

DW11
3rd Dec 2001, 17:38
Maxalt, Please read the following two statements, both made by you earlier in the thread. I presume we can now forget this part of the thread as it seems you have changed your mind.

"I think you're making a glaring miscalculation if you believe you can compare the incompetence of certain state agencies with the sleaze and corruption of our politicians and so called 'businessmen'. The fact that you're prepared to draw a parallel at all just goes to show how twisted Irish society has become."

"incompetence, cover ups and heartlessness in the medical profession are unforgiveable, and not much different from the bottomless greed for money and power demonstrated in the daily revelations about our business people and politicians, all made public since the fall from grace of C.J. Haughey."

Sunday Tribune Article:
Badly written article which voices lots of opinions but offers and justifies very little. Mr Carey seems to be first and foremost interested in having a go at Michael O'Leary. If a low cost terminal at Shannon is a way of annoying O'Leary then that will do nicely. What Mr Carey doesn't tell us is who is going to operate to his new low cost Shannon and where they are going to get the passengers from, presumably he deals in opinions and not reality.

More and more this seems to be a case of not doing what Michael O'Leary wants, even if it does make sense. Aer Rianta's plan for Shannon is farcical and is obviously a knee jerk reaction to government pressure for a low cost operation at Dublin.

Maybe Aer Rianta might get a better idea of what to do if the asked their largest customer, the paying public. But then again Aer Rianta have been treating their customers like cattle(to be herded and milked at will) for more than a generation, so why should they change now.

Hopefully sense will prevail and the terminal/extension at Dublin will be built. If not let us hope that Aer Rianta do nothing and save us the cost of more unused facilities at Shannon. If the need to get one over on O'Leary is too much to resist, might I recommend a CPO for his land in Mullingar and the building of a waste incinerator. A viable business and a severly annoyed O'Leary in one go, what more could you want.

And for the Guv:

We were born here, we live here and we know about Irish history. Dropping in quotes about DeValera and the Dail(which you can't spell) every time Ireland is mentioned on a forum does not ingratiate you with anyone and only proves your ignorance. Your comments about Shannon and your frequent remarks on the viability of transatlantic services from Ireland also prove your stupidity. Less than two years ago you regaled us with your plans for L1011 services from Shannon to the US, now you tell us that direct transatlantic services from Ireland are permanently non-viable and we should all travel via Manchester or London. We are not fools, please do not treat us as such.

The Guvnor
3rd Dec 2001, 20:42
Perhaps you lot ought to recognise that MO'L is answerable to one group and one group only - and that's his shareholders.

Latest news from FR:

The Directors of Ryanair Holdings plc have announced that they will be sub-dividing the company's ordinary shares of EUR0.0254 (1.6p) into ordinary shares of EUR0.0127. The move, approved by shareholders at Ryanair's Annual General Meeting on 25th September, is intended to increase the liquidity and marketability of the stock by reducing the absolute price per share, according to Capita Corporate Registrars Plc. Following the stock split this coming Friday, shareholders will own two ordinary shares for each one share they previously owned. Ryanair's authorised ordinary share capital prior to the split will be EUR10,668,000 divided into 420,000,000 ordinary shares of EUR0.0254 each, and its issued ordinary share capital will be EUR9,198,814.3 divided into 362,659,884 ordinary shares of EUR0.0254 each.

Now, instead of whinging about people should (or shouldn't) be doing and what is (or isn't) viable, why don't you try and set up your own airlines if you reckon it's so easy?

Oh, and DW11 - the primary reason we looked at SNN was to allow our pax to preclear US INS and Customs. If we had used the Aer Turas AOC (as was planned back then) we would have had problems with the scheduled rights - the Americans were already unhappy with the status quo; and if we used a UK AOC then we probably wouldn't be able to get traffic rights. Either way, there would have been few extra pax out of the SNN area.

DW11
3rd Dec 2001, 21:52
Guv,

Now that we have apparently become a "lot" as you so kindly put it, might I be bold enough to point out that we are all aware of who Michael O'Leary should and should not be answerable to, but thank you for explaining in such detail.

"Now, instead of whinging about people should (or shouldn't) be doing and what is (or isn't) viable, why don't you try and set up your own airlines if you reckon it's so easy? "

Did someone upset, you poor little soul. Just in case you hadn't noticed, the thread isn't about the difficulties of starting your own airline, it's about a low cost terminal/pier in Ireland. Now if you would like a thread called "It's hard to start your own airline" I'm sure you will have everyone's blessing and we will all treat you with the respect you have earned and fully deserve. Or better still how about a "Me and my pretendy airline" book, complete with pop-up Tristars and a foldout runway.

As for Shannon being only for a few extra pax, I seem to remember one version(of your many versions) of your business plan, in which SNN pax were the key to your Boston (PSM)route. But of course, now that you have deemed Ireland is no longer viable for any transatlantic routes this is all rather academic. Does this also mean that Prestwick was never viable also, or will the UK government insist that Irish people
be only allowed to travel via Manchester and London when our direct flights end.

God bless

maxalt
3rd Dec 2001, 22:54
Getting bored now.

We can go round in circles like this for days but I think the point of the thread is well enough made...O'Leary is not interested in saving Irish Tourism, rather just saving himself a few quid and the headache of dealing with Aer Rianta.

Of course no private terminal is going to be built in SNN. But neither will it be built in Dublin.

The reason?

Simple economics and realpolitik.

Aer Rianta would become another basket case overnight. And the same people bitching about the cost of bailing out Aer Lingus will be asked to bail out Aer Rianta too.

I mean of course, the taxpayers.

[ 03 December 2001: Message edited by: maxalt ]

akerosid
4th Dec 2001, 02:36
Why would Aer Rianta become a basket case overnight; yes it would have to slim down and run a lot faster to keep its traffic and attract new traffic, but the cost of new facilities, such as runways and taxiways would also be shared. COMPETITION!

Every company moans about the onset of competition and gives dire warnings, but in the end, it may well be to the benefit of the company. It needs slimming down and it needs to have some kind of incentive to sharpen itself out. Nothing - not government prodding or the aviation regulator's finger wagging - is going to do this better than competition.

Whatever about the effects of competition, AR will have to live with it; the effects on the economy will be two airport operators competing and marketing Dublin and Ireland right around the world. AR can moan all it likes, but this will come and like every other monopoly, it will have to deal with it.

Faire d'income
4th Dec 2001, 19:41
Aeroskid the problem with competition is that it never quite meets the pure definition of the word in Ireland. In the early nineties the then government decided to have a 'Two airline policy'. This involved handicapping the ( admittedly ) monopoly and giving the ailing company the breaks ( yes Fr ).

Given the state now of those two companies it is difficult to understand that the gov. still employ the same strategy. If I was CEO of AR I would resist any change in status. The government are guaranteed their perks from the state outfits but they have to earn them from private companies. Ask Esat.

The Snn terminal is a non-runner. However it is both a good and bad sign. Good because for the first time in this writers lifetime Snn AR are actively trying to lure their own business rather than manpulating the Gov. to strangle AL by the Snn stop-over. Bad because it shows they anticipate trouble ahead, ( ie AL ) they see a government with no interest in regaining power and now have washed their hands of the mess they have made of AL.

MO'L sees an opportunity. Fair play to him but it won't happen either. Dub can't cope with the numbers it has, Ireland will suffer if Fr herd another couple of million through the sty they call a terminal. The C or J class passenger will not return if treated like sh*t. We will all suffer ( except of course O'L ).

sgt.culpepper
4th Dec 2001, 20:21
Gentlemen Gentlemen!You are in danger of getting the whole dang thing totally mixed up. Hub ? all this talk of low cost hub!. What hub? The Ryanair "Hub " is not a hub at all and to my knowledge they do not operate hubs. They operate point to point traffic.The principle of a hub is that you have a kind of seamless transfer incl ticketing and baggage on to another flight be it your own or another carriers flight. Ryanair will not even allow you to transfer to another of their own flights, without collecting your luggage and re checking it in . Neither will they onward check you in say DUB/STD/Hahn even with only hand baggage.
DW11 you talk about Aer Rianta going to build a"low cost terminal" at shannon.They have never said this to my knowledge.There is no need, there already IS a low cost terminal there with a capacity to handle at least another 3m pax, and a four year offer of NO CHARGES whatsoever for any airline who wishes to start up new routes.
IRELAND'S CALL , you talked about the success of Ryanair with no aid from the state. That is not correct but I won't go into that here ...best left to the Tribunals.However, how can you square such a view with MoL's proposal for Dublin which in effect means massive state aid.(at the same time he bad mouths Aer Lingus over state aid and threatned them with court action.).Mo'L wants a charge of 1 per pax to cover all charges incl IAA navigation charges for at least 10years. The Aviation Regulator in his determination, found economic justification for 4:41 per pax at Dublin.Therefore in effect Ryanair are looking for a state subsidy of 3:41 per pax from the Irish taxpayer.This to an airline which is the most profitable in the world.
Akerosid, you talk of competition. Explain how this would work at Dublin Airport if Pier D was built and operated by a third party and show where this formula(competing piers or indeed terminals terminals )works elswhere.
It seems to me that Aer Rianta could be on the right track politically. Look at it this way. Entice a low cost operator(s) to shannon ,local politicos are happy as pigs in etc. Local politicos in Dublin are delerious as this could stall further development at Dublin airport and mean that the second runway might not be built.This is a huge issue for them with the local residents.
Akerosid, you talk of competition, could you explain how this would happen if PierD was built and operated by a third party at Dub.You might also show where this formula (competing pier/terminals )works at other airports.