The Guvnor, exposed PPRuNer aka Neil Duncan Robertson is a convicted paedophile

[Danny]

After many months of waiting it can finally be announced, thanks to the efforts of many PPRuNers in gathering evidence that Neil Robertson of 150 Walker Avenue, Troon in Ayrshire, more commonly known here on PPRuNe as The Guvnor and on other websites as SAS23 or Ceilidh has been found guilty of predatory paedophilic acts against a seven year old girl. Robertson who pretended to be an airline executive and pilot amongst other things was exposed here on PPRuNe after repeatedly trying to use the website to further his business scams.

Many PPRuNers met Robertson at several PPRuNe bashes, the first of which was held at 'The Old Bank of England' pub in Fleet Street, London. It was at that bash when I first met him and within minutes of being introduced I had my suspicions about his authenticity. At that time none of us had any suspicion about his paedophilia but his claims to have been an airline executive and an airline pilot were plain for any of us in the industry to see as being bogus.

Robertsons stories smacked of 'Walter Mitty' fiction and it only took a small amount of research to see that he was untrustworthy. Through PPRuNe I was able to gather information on Robertson and his more recent 'business' activities which included claims to be an airline owner and the recipient of funding to acquire several ex-Delta Airlines L1011 tri-jets. Enquiries into his status at Prestwick International Airport soon revealed that Robertsons 'office' was nothing more than a briefcase, a mobile phone and a premium rate fax number where faxes were accessed through email. Prestwick Airport were informed about our suspicions but Robertson continued up until his arrest to use their facilities as a drop mail address.

After more research into Robertsons background I was given copies of CV's he was distributing which revealed the total fabrication of his life history, including his claims to have several degrees in aviation business management and more suspiciously, Child Psychology. A follow up on the previous employers revealed that they were either non-existent or else no one knew of Robertson. This was all revealed on PPRuNe yet many people refused to believe that he was nothing but a Walter Mitty and continued to lambast me for alerting the aviation industry to Robertsons fraudulent history as though I was just on a personal vendetta.

Documents were found that revealed a more serious side to the liar. Letters from credit agencies, banks and credit card companies revealed that Robertson had been fraudulently opening bank accounts and spending as much as he could up to and exceeding the overdraft limits. My sources revealed that he was using fake airline tickets to travel to America and the Caribbean in his pretence to be an affluent airline executive trying to secure other peoples aircraft. He was even trying to harvest the email addresses of PPRuNer Wannabes and offering them shares in his fraudulent company in return for the offer of a job as a pilot if they invested enough money to cover the type rating costs. Luckily, he sent one of those emails to me and I was able to immediately alert everyone on PPRuNe about his scam. I am led to believe though, that there were a few gullible people who refused to listen to the warnings being raised on PPRuNe about the con-man and some people did indeed give Robertson some smaller sums on the promise that they would get various jobs and functions in his proposed airline.

I was eventually contacted by Robertsons ex-girlfriend from his time in South Africa and she told me about his paedophile activities. This was indeed a shock and although the charges against Robertson were eventually dropped due to the girlfriend deciding that she would rather protect her young daughter from having to face Robertson in open court the allegations had been made and further enquiries were made. Soon after this more rumours started arriving about other paedophile activity that Robertson was alleged to have committed whilst he was in Africa. At this time, I also received information about Robertsons claims to be a qualified Child Psychologist specialising in child sex abuse. The alarm bells were now really ringing and after another expose on PPRuNe about the rumours many readers did their own research and provided the damning evidence that I finally managed to put together and pass on to the Police in late 2002.

Initially, it was very difficult to get anyone in the police interested but thanks to another PPRuNe moderator who used to be in the police I was put in touch with an officer who was able to refer me to the right people. I passed on my evidence, some of which is shown in the 'Announcement' post at the top of this and every forum on PPRuNe. Within the space of just a few weeks the police had arrested Robertson and yesterday was the penultimate chapter in this ongoing saga. Robertson admitted the charges and now awaits sentencing next month.

There is of course far more to this story but I think we should be grateful that Robertson poses no imminent danger to young children for the next few years at least We must not forget though that there is at least one little girl who has had her innocence destroyed by this pervert and I have reason to belive that there are other children who have been abused by him but charges ave not been brought yet in an attempt to make sure that the legal system gives him an appropriate sentence. Watch this space.

Robertson attempted to shut me up by threatening legal action against me for 'libeling' and 'slandering' him. I called his bluff and had the satisfaction of watching him resort to more desperate maneuvers to stop me cutting him off at every corner. He even published my name, home address and phone number on a number of websites, including some where the readership are slightly more 'rednecked' claiming that I was a war criminal responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinian women and children. He included an invitation to anyone who believed him to visit me and extract their revenge in person. Typical of the coward that he was, he tried to incite others to carry out the violence he felt towards me. Thankfully, no-one was stupid enough to actually try and carry out his invitation although it did take some time, money and legal threats to get some of those website owners to remove the allegations and my personal and private details. Unfortunately, the owners of some of those websites refused to belive any of the evidence I provided them in order to prove my case that Robertson was nothing but a Walter Mitty con-man. Even when provided with the more serious and damning evidence that he was also a paedophile and a predator they refused to stop him from making his ridiculous claims that he was just an innocent businessman and that it was just my personal vendetta. Some of them even went on to defend him and claimed that he was a personal friend!

In the end everything has turned out for the best. Robertson is incarcerated and is likely to be so for quite some time. Those that refused to believe the evidence that countered their gullible belief that Robertson was just a hard working entrepreneur and airline executive will now have to live with their consciences. The rest of us here on PPRuNe can be proud that we stood by our convictions and the insurmountable evidence that we were dealing with a dangerous pervert. Thank you all for your continued support.

[TimS]

Well done Danny (and others) - a job well done and obviously needed !

[cpt744]

Dear Danny,
I'm rather new to your website as a registered user, to say that I'm totally shocked by what you just brought to light was an understatement..
GREAT JOB in pinning down this sort of harmful criminal and may many other parents out there be thankful of what you & the rest have done in bringing him to justice.
Personally, I think you guys deserved some formal commendations from the relevant authority.

Yours,
Cpt744

[A/P Disc]

Good job! Many children and would be pilots are safe for
the future.Hope that he get's the maximum sentence.

[Devils Advocate]

Veritably, "Nice one Captain PPRuNe !" :ok: and of course one of life's nicer pleasures is being able to say "I told you so !"

Aside - I see another Scot has just got 7 years for a similar offence ( click here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3006578.stm) ) - let's hope the sentence on NDR is not so lenient.

In any event one trusts that their fellow inmates :E won't hold back when dishing out the 'real justice' on these perverts ! :ouch:

[5552N0426W]

Well done Danny and to all who assisted in the downfall of this person. I had met him several times and he lived in a fairytale world.
Good riddens.

[sickBocks]

Congrats it's all put to bed. Didn't realise it all got so serious. Sure there will be a queue on Saturday waiting to buy you many a drink.

Cheers for all the effort you've put in over the years.

sB

[mr.777]

Thankfully never met this bloke,but read enough of his posts to realise that he lived in some sort of parallel universe to our own.Well done for having the balls to out this guy for what he really is,even at the potential cost to your own health and wellbeing.
And lets hope the young girl is able to put this behind her and try lead a normal life in the future.
777

[Final 3 Greens]

Danny

Great job. As a father of three, I shall sleep a little sounder tonight.

[WhiteDevil]

i wish to personally thank you Danny for your hard work. I believe that all paedophiles are dangerous people and i have started to keep a closer watch over my younger sister and cousin since the problem in this country was highlighted.
One less off the streets is a huge accomplishment -
Thanks Again :ok:

Adam

[Psr777]

Amazing Danny. You should rightly feel very proud of yourself for all the hard work and effort you put into getting this "man" arrested.

For all of those involved in it, Congratulations, you all deserve to be publicly recognised for what you have done. It just goes to show what good the internet can do when used properly.

If we ever meet Danny, I would be honoured to buy you a pint or two.

:ok: :ok: :ok:

[surely not]

Amazing! I have not been a member long enough to have known of this on going tale.
Terrific work by all concerned.

[Ally G]

Danny , I usually use the Flypast Forum but found your Forum when NDR was supposed to be the new operator of the Shorts Belfast G-HLFT - which is currently at Prestwick . I spotted the article in the Scottish Daily Record and the Sun newspapers and I have read many of the posts regarding "the Guv" and was shocked and disgusted , without you (and others) this despicable man could still be walking our streets . As a father of two I feel that hanging is too good for these bas5tards , I can only he gets some prison vengeance exacted apon himself , as for those who posted messages supporting him they are either NDR or some of his "friends" and should be investigated too. I can only congratulate you on your tenacity , it certainly brought justice to bear on NDR and if the other pending investigations prove fruitful hopefully he will be incarcerated for a few more years .
If you are ever up here at Edinburgh (Turnhouse) Airport drop me a line , I would be more than pleased to buy you lunch.

Well done

Alastair

[B767300ER]

Good job, Danny boy. If he had messed with my kid, I would have used his guts for my wife's garters, then castrated him and hung his testicles from Big Ben.

[Scottie Dog]

Danny

What can I say that has not been said by others already?

I am also the father of two girls and I dread sometimes to think of what might happen to them if they were younger and met the wrong person.

I do not know how you find the time to do all of the things that you manage to do, but thank you (and all involved from Pprune)from the bottom of my heart for bringing this matter to the attention of the right people.

It seems as if you had a hard job making the initial breakthough - thanks for persevering.

Scottie Dog

[Daifly]

Nice one Danny. We all had run-ins with him over the years of PPRuNe and well done for persevering.

Really glad that you bothered to keep up the pressure on the Police and that the power of PPRuNe was realised! Sad though that the police didn't take it seriously to begin with. That's worrying.

Well done mate.

[CrashDive]

.... GOTCHA !!!! :ok:

[Mzee]

:ok: :ok:
Well done Danny for your perseverance, it takes a lot of effort to follow through on such a task.

[Tartan Giant]

Dear Danny,

As if the stresses of being an airline pilot are not enough, this had to land on your plate - that you finished the job so expertly will be forever in your favour and should never be forgotten.

You have done a great service to the community, and fathers of young daughters owe you a beer at the very least.

CONGRATULATIONS.

TG

[BeauMan]

For every sick, perverted, twisted deviant such as Robertson, I hope there is a dedicated, persistent and genuine man like Danny to hunt them down.

Like many on here, I am the father of a young child. Just saying thank you doesn't really seem enough, but thank you anyway. You're a star.

:ok:

[Cpt. Underpants]

Bravo. I'll shout you you a few long, cold ones at the Aviation Club when you come to the FH, laddie. Good job.

[master slug]

Nice to hear that thats another one off the streets


Well done.

[10W]

Congratulations to Danny and all who helped out this sick and depraved individual.

Makes my skin creep to think that I have talked to him at Bashes and offered him beers and hospitality in my home at a Bash up here.

Lets hope the sentence fits the crime and he is removed from society for a long long time.

[PA38]

I too questioned the Guvnor's authenticity and was threatened with legal action if I dared do it again!!!

All I did was call into question his "business" plan, it's a pity some people couldn’t see him for what he is...

But well done Danny, it's a pity YOU had to do it!!!

[newarksmells]

Having an 18 year old boy who could beat the crap out of anybody and doubly beat the crap out of perverts as well as a 13 year old girl, nice one Sir for stopping the Perv in his tracks.

I joined pprune relatively recently and was only able to see the comments after his arrest although I could not reply. It apperas this guy was like the U.K version of Baghdad Bob..or The Iraqi Minister of dis-Information...." There are no coaltion gangs in Baghdad !! "

Congratulations to all concerned.

Newarksmells

[maxalt]

Danny, the distraction of something as grotesque and bizarre as this on top of your busy enough life must have been murder. I hope you can put it behind you now and forget the ******.
Good riddance to him.

[Faire d'income]

What an astonishing story. I like others had quarrels with him but I would never have imagined he was such a monster.

While I echo the comments about the police not acting earlier, the real legacy of Danny's efforts may well be the uninterrupted normal childhood a couple of potential victims may now enjoy.

That future for those kids is priceless. Well done Captain Pprune!

[LatviaCalling]

Where other men dare not, Danny does. Congratulations to our own bounty hunter for putting it all in place and handing it to the reluctant cops on a silver platter. Yeah, I wonder about Robertson's prison life also. I think he'll need many jars of Vaseline. Thank God he's gone.

Emil

[acmi48]

tragic.. shame on our profession but at least the people who really care stood up.. one for aviation .. thank you

[Diplomate]

Danny

We've never met, but if/when we do ALL the beers are on me! Many thanks for persevering when I'm sure many others would have given up. You have undoubtedly saved many children from molestation by this pervert.

Diplomate

[Four Seven Eleven]

Well done Danny.

It should not go unmentioned that you took on this man at considerable risk to yourself, not only in terms of threatened physical harm but also the risk to your reputation and the financial risks associated with legal action.

You are, Sir, a man of integrity, courage and honour.

We thank you and salute you.

[unwiseowl]

As a ppruner, I thought The Guvnor had some value. As a human being he has none.

[boredcounter]

Don't know how the hell you find the time!
TOP JOB. WELL DONE.

Should I ever find myself at a PPRUNE bash you have a beer in the keg.

To think at one point I took the guv (not Danny) seriously, makes me want to puke and have a bath for days with sandpaper for a sponge.

Well done Danny, BTW, still take you seriously.



Bored

[Secret Agent Man 2]

boredcounter,

be a friend and pass the sandpaper when you are done,:yuk:

[Kaptin M]

Congrats, Danny - the satisfaction of a long, played-out "game" of cat and mouse has finally paid not only you dividends, but has more than justified your "baby" - PPRuNe - as a USEFUL internet tool.

Without PPRuNe, I wonder if The Guvnor (his most used, and best recognised handle here) would have attracted sufficient attention?
He was, undoubtedly, an extrovert craving public attention, but probably never figured on it causing his downfall and outing as an alleged child molester, apart from his other fantasies in which he revelled here.

Perhaps this might encourage a few more longer term PPRuNers to "click here"...underneath your PPRuNe name...to demonstrate your true depth of support for Danny and his team. :D

[RatherBeFlying]

Happily there's been an ocean between that perv and my children. Well done Danny:ok:

Today in Toronto the police arrested a suspected child murderer -- who has besmirched the name of the software developer profession, as if we hadn't enough ignominy already:uhoh:

And Andrew Luster, a fugitive from a 124 year sentence for multiple videotaped drug rapes was apprehended in Mexico and delivered to a California jail.

Too bad that's not the whole lot:ugh:

[twitchy]

Well done Danny, this kind of person should always stay behind bars. They are threat to our civilised society. Keep it up buddy, a job well done.

[mustafagander]

Top piece of work, Danny.

I find it a bit frightening to realise how normal these perverts seem - I had a few beers with him and many others at one of the lunches at the Old Bank of England a while back. The impression I gained of him was just a w*nk*r who knew b*gg*r all about the airline business.

I'd like to think he'll be spending a long time waiting "until her majesty's pleasure be known" in a less than salubrious institution. It would be nice if his cell mates were mighty upset by his antics.

This is one very sick puppy. :mad:

[Boss Raptor]

A very evil, manipulative man from my own experience ...the likes of which I hope I never have to meet again...or at least next time will be alerted sooner!

Like many who came into close contact with Robertson I felt something was no quite right from the beginning but he was very plausable, 'gung ho' and a habitual liar...then the gaps started showing in his plans, his knowledge and his abilities...

Then further investigation, questionning, his activities and evidence uncovered the inconsistancies, lies in his business objectives although never at that time did I ever consider how the story would turn...until I was made aware later by a friend in the medical profession of the rather alarming pattern of stories/behaviour as to his darker side...

As one who was closer to this situation than most, with the exception of Danny, I can today say that I feel both pleased, relieved and relaxed that this last 2 years and in particular last 4 months awaiting Robertsons' trial are now over and I know his fate...

To the end I never ceased to be amazed by his antics and again had underestimated his actions that were revealed in Court as to chain of events in his final act...

I say again he was a VERY EVIL, MANIPULATIVE MAN...

Note: there are many more characters like him out there I am told and I hope people learn as I have from this whole saga, I think I would say that I can now spot them a bit better...hindsight is a wonderful thing...

[iainpoll]

Danny,

Huge, massive respect.

[delta 2]

Well done !! It's fantastic that because of your hard work and conviction other kids will not be abused by this pervert.

[Caractacus]

It makes my flesh creep to think that I might be chatting with the likes of the Guvnor on this forum. It would be good if membership could be confined to those with a professional licence. It has been discussed before I know.

Danny has a stout heart in my view.

As the devoted Father of a little girl thank you very much.

[clubley]

Thank God,
That there are people who really care, Danny I am a Dad and a Wannabee, the thought of being con and my daughter being abused my an individual like that just turns me cold.
Great Work

[AbuK]

One can only echo what all the others have said. My ex girlfriend is a child psychologist so I have heard all about how these pooor children suffer at the hands of such manipulative perverts.

I can only commend Capt PPRuNe on his dogged determination and conviction in pursuing this guy. Heartfelt congratulations and if you ever find yourself in Jeddah I'll buy you a meal!

[planecrazi]

Well done Danny-
As a father of two, I am delighted about the true professionals there are, on this site and that such a site can keep our streets a little safer.:ok:

[HectorusRex]

Exceptionally well done Danny.
Thanks to your unceasing efforts a lot of parents can now sleep more easily.
And may The Guvnor enjoy a long stay at HM's pleasure.:ok:

[G-ALAN]

Well done Danny and all who helped lock this piece of filth up, I'm sure all the hairy @rsed Glasgow hard men in Barline prison will make him welcome :ok:

[crundale]

Danny
A million congrats.
Like many others I followed the online "fight" between you and the Guvnor thinking he was just a harmless idiot who you didnt like.
Now tucking into humble pie with no cream, and have nothing but respect for your tenacity and dedication.
Well done.
Nominations (http://www.cabinet-office.gov.uk/ceremonial/index/nomination.htm)
Who will join me? click on the link above and lets get Danny's effort recognised.

[upperecam]

Many thanks Danny. At last this man has his come uppance.

:ok:

[LondonGoodEvening]

Your the man...............Respect Danny!!!
What a complete tosser.
You get the command of the century award
Regards
Father Ted:ok:

[airbourne]

I like 100% of the PPruner family have to congratulate Danny for this sterling job in the face of a lot of opposition. Would those who defended NDR like to stand up now and defend him again, I think not!

F:mad: with PPRuNe and pay the price!

[JW411]

Well done indeed Danny. I hope they throw away the key!

[dicksynormous]

Well done danny,
i lambasted this man in swahili on this board as soon as he surfaced (another life1999). he didnt understand a word of it.
nuff said.
slight tangent but:
maybe your efforts will help bring to light another problem in our business of people with creative licensing habits getting validations and harming more than a few people. The link? he bought a licence and was believable to many in the industry. they are out there at a european airport near you!

[mad_jock]

Well done danny for having brought this pervert to book.

And can ppruners out there please have a look at the problems we are having in Scotland keeping Peterhead prison open.

They do sterling work there helping people with his mental problems. And they want to shut it down. The locals are happy with the work they do. The prisoners are getting the treament they need. And by all accounts its got the best rehabitation rates in europe and the bloody bean counters want to shut it.

I have also had the pleasure of flying with one of the prison officers who was present when the SAS went in. He had me in tears laughing. I wonder if they won the rugby match afterwards ;)

MJ

[hart744]

Well done Danny! :ok:

[Joles]

Cap'n Danny,

I'm just a passerby, in the sense, I love those magnificent men ( and women ) and their flying machines and still run to the balcony to watch an exceptionally low flying plane, beyond that I know nothing of flying.
Discovering your site was great.
But it feels better to hear of your feat !
Boy, the kind of effort you have undertaken to get this:mad: guy off our lives is amazing ! Hope he doesn't come back in a hurry
YA
Joles

[flyingdutchman]

BiG THUMBS UP TO DANNY !!!


:ok:

[Capetonian]

Superb work, Danny, for bringing this monster to justice.

I remember him from his days in South Africa, where apart from the stuff mentioned in this article, which is well worth reading

http://flytristar.tripod.com/article/art06.html (http://)

he also conned a number of people in the industry into giving him finance for self ticketing machines. He must have convinced some pretty influential folk, because he was invited to address an ASATA (Association of South African Travel Agents) congress at the Wild Coast Sun in 1995 (give or take a year). At the time, he was taken as a harmless nutter, although he was quite defensive when challenged about the viability of his schemes. Little did we know ......!

QUOTE
The closest Robertson has come to being an airline tycoon was running two clapped-out freight planes from a dusty airstrip in Africa under the name of Africargo Airlines, which was not listed in any airline directories. But, as previously mentioned, Robertson boasted that the airline operated Boeing 747Fs, L-1011Fs and many propliners. And the thing is this even ended up in disaster. Seven months ago, both planes were blown up by explosions which killed more than 100 people.
UNQUOTE

[christep]

Congratulations to Danny on seeing this through to a conclusion.

I am however at a loss to understand Caractacus's comment:

It would be good if membership could be confined to those with a professional licence. It has been discussed before I know.

Is there any evidence at all that the proportion of airline pilots who are child abusers is any different from the general population? I very much doubt it...

[Genghis the Engineer]

Very well done Danny (and others) on a bit of useful and moral perseverance. I hope we would all have the energy and moral conviction to do the same if we could or had to.


Re: Christep's comment above, surely the point made unless I missed something is that people who commit routine fraud and deception display similar traits to predatory paedophiles. An interesting point if true and one that perhaps many who come into contact with people of uncertain backgrounds (and many of us probably have) should bear in mind.


Re: the 2 cargo planes / 100 dead point. Is this true? Is it therefore suggested that this individual may also be implicated in 100+ deaths ?


G

[VR-HFX]

Danny

A thoroughly tenacious and unfliching effort, well above and beyond the call of duty.

I expect to see you on the BBC's Great Britons program soon.

Respectfully yours.

[GustyOrange]

Like quite a few others who have posted before me have commented, I met NDR a couple of years ago when he was trying to raise finance (rip people off), and found him as quite plausible.

I would like to thank Danny firstly for alerting me to Robertson's business dealings and secondly for puting him where he belongs for his vile acts.

Gusty

:ok:

[I have control]

Good to see justice being done. What a tragedy for the young girl and goodness knows how many more young lives?

Serious question: do prison inmates get internet access?

[Lou Scannon]

Danny, I'm deeply moved that someone in my profession should have identified this person and then followed the case to such a succesful conclusion. You have really gone the extra mile on this one.

Well done matey!:ok:

[Andrew M]

I know the feeling of those who met the guvnor - In fact an enterprise education advisor worked with my class every week.

We were totally shocked to read in the record one week that he was convicted of paedophilia.

I had worked with him on several occassions - and felt disgusting.

Congratualtions Danny, personally I think that you deserve more recognicion.

If it weren't for your investigations or this site - he would proberly still be free, and god knows how many more children he would have abused.

[Stability Jane]

Well done Danny. Hope he rots in hell.

[727 exec]

I'm eternally grateful that I somehow managed to miss meeting this animal during my time living in Troon and flying out of Prestwick.

Thank you Danny - from all of us.

[moo]

truly, nice one danny!

[jet4hire]

I can't believe how sick this man is!!! he deserves the capital penalty.

Guys we have to watch out for our families!!! there are a lots perverted people out there while we are flying.

How could we recognized these bastards???? It makes me sick
:yuk:

But thanks to this web page and Danny we could segregate these Scums:ok:

[BALIX]

Danny

I hope you don't mind me adding my thanks to you for getting this guy locked up. I live about half a mile from where Robertson lived and truly appreciate that your efforts have made the streets where my children walk just a little bit safer.

Respect...

[mcdonnellluke]

Hello
It is good to see someone who has commited a henious crime to children has been brought to justice by the help of some good guys on this site. It does come to my intrest however, that the Daily Record article mentioned that this perpatrator falsly clamied that he suffered from the autistic spectrum disorder Asperger's syndrome. I am a diagnosed AS sufferer, I know a lot about this condition and it does affect areas like my social skills and keeps me to fixed routines. I know that people with AS could be of increased vunrability to people like Neil Robertson in some respects. It seems weired that this person could pose as someone with this condition to advance these evil acts.
Luke

[EGGPOPS]

WELL DONE SIR

:sad:

[BEagle]

Danny - congratulations on removing this odious creature from society. No punishment is too extreme for paedophiles; the one thing which can be guaranteed is that those behind the wire with this piece of $hit will find a way of letting him know what they feel about child molestors......

In the past I encouraged his posts in an attempt to get him to reveal his true persona as a suspected fraudulent con artist. That was one thing, paedophilia is quite another. I hope the ba$tard rots in hell.....

[PaperTiger]

Re: the 2 cargo planes / 100 dead point. Is this true? Is it therefore suggested that this individual may also be implicated in 100+ deaths ?

Let's not get carried away by media 'approximations'.
Here is some info on this:

from: http://www.web.net/~iccaf/humanrights/congoinfo/marnewsapril00.htm#OTHEROn Friday, April 14 (2000), a terrible explosion shook Ndjili airport in Kinshasa, killing 109 and wounding more than 250, according to the city governor. The explosion, which also damaged nearly a dozen aeroplanes, including two of the three belonging to UNMC, was caused by a cargo of munitions catching fire while in transit in the airport. The government has opened an investigation into the causes of the conflagration and has allocated $US 775,000 to pay for the funerals of the victims and the care of the wounded.
from www.aviation-safety.netA major fire erupted in a Warehouse on the Kinshasa Airport and spreading to a cargo of ammunition. Some 100 people on the ground are said to have Been killed. Aircraft destroyed in the fire included a Congo Army Caravelle, a Government of Congo Boeing 707 and 2 Canadair CL-44 planes.
'NDR's planes'* were 3C-ZPO (#24) and TN-235 (#37) ostensibly owned by the Congo Government but both with registrations of questionable legitimacy.

* see Grizzly Bare's post above.

[CAP509castaway]

Hope he gets awarm welcome in the nick!!!!!!:D :D :D

[SAS-A321]

You know they take "reaaalllly gooooood" care of perverts like Robertson in jails!
Nice job Danny and all the rest who helped gathering evidence! You are heroes! :ok:

[Air Born]

See.....pilots ARE still heroes!!!! Well done.

[Col. Walter E. Kurtz]

The trail is shocking.

Well done Danny - you have preserved the sanity and nature of children in this generation, and theirs to follow.

Now to the gallows.

[logie_bear]

Danny,

A truly remarkable effort.

I can't get my head around the amount of courage required to do what you did.

There simply aint the right words.

l_b

[Ignition Override]

It took determination to put up with the frustration by indifferent authorities, not to mention having the guts to put up with his sleazy, desperate tactics when he exposed your personal info to the public, among other things, (honorary) Colonel Danny.

What a lesson to so many people who never question anyone's claims to such expertise in completely unrelated fields; but then, the most slippery "snake oil" salesmen always know how to charm those who are truly impressed by reported titles, university diplomas and smooth talk.

Certain authorities (those who might also have solid integrity and character) owe you a very public, sincere apology.:O

[Genghis the Engineer]

Thanks for the information - it did sound a bit tenuous and probably just dug up by the tabloid press to embelish a story that didn't need it, seems that surmise was reasonably correct.

G

[SussexDon]

Hi Danny
You and I met when with JM, you flew away a B757 from LGW to Lasham in December 2001. In the car going back to LGW late that night you explained your concerns about NDR and at that time I shared with you my concerns that he was a complete "con man"but now reading what he really was I am still in deep shock! Well done for all the effort and dedication to stick with this and see it through! FANTASTIC! :ok:
I hope we can meet again one of these days so I can share a beer or two with you all on me!

[ETOPS]

Well done Danny.
Just picked up on this having been away for a few days. This guy used to annoy me intensely with his idiotic ramblings to such an extent that I stopped reading anything he wrote. Little did I realise how much more serious a problem he was.
Do we know when sentencing is to take place and how long he might get? I don't like the idea that our justice system might hand down (say) a light sentence or a fine - children need protecting from this man for years, not months.........

[btmtdi]

Danny

Congratulations on seeing this through at personal risk to yourself - I hope that if I had been in your shoes I would have done the same.

I am glad that Pprune and its members have shown that ordinary people can make a difference.

[In trim]

I just want to add my support and congratulations. It was obvious from his posts that he lived in a fairytale world, but I had no idea of the full extent of what was happening, the personal threats to you, etc.

Well done, and let's hope they throw the key away!

[btmtdi]

Slightly less lurid coverage from a slightly more respectable source - The Scotsman

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=677842003

[FEBA]

Well done Danny
Of a list of the most abhorent crimes Paedophilia must be right at the top. Those that prey on the innocence of a child are the vilest of the vile. Children all over this land are now unable to enjoy an unfettered childhood where they should be able to roam and explore with impunity. Instead we have to keep them tethered and supervised at all times, take your eye off them for one moment and they're gone.
Living in the country I always thought that we were not exposed to these types of people, I was proved wrong. My daughter (2.5) and son (8) came home with a large cuddly toy. When I enquired where it came from I was told from a nice man down the road. A week later I was warned by a friend that works at a prison which houses sex offenders, that he had witnessed the behaviour of this man and in his opinion the children were being groomed in a classic paedophile manner.
The police were informed straight away and I haven't seen this fellow since. My eldest (12) suffers from Aspergers so I have some empathy this story and much admiration for what you have done.
Thank you
FEBA

[ironbutt57]

Wow! good detective work..sure hope I never wind up in "Pprune's Most Wanted":ooh: :ooh:

[btmtdi]

sure hope I never wind up in "Pprune's Most Wanted"

the innocent have nothing to fear I am sure.

you are innocent are you not ?

[Groundside]

I have just read with interest your extensive coverage on the antics of Neil Robertson
during the mid 90's I came in contact with this guy twice , once in the UK when he outlined his plans for Lion Air,,,
and then again in South Africa, when I was given sight of his 'Degree' and his qualifications in child phsycology
I felt that this guy was a creep and a likely dreamer/conman...so there was no chance of wasting time with him.

But I couldn't , and didn't pick up the relevance of the Child Phsycology ...it seemed odd and out of place with his choice of working in aviation.... which with the benefit of hind site...coupled with my feelings about him being 'creepy',,,...it should have been bloody obvious!!....so the penny has now dropped.!!!!..

I am please to see what you have achieved with the benefit of your website...well done sir...you have done a valued service to our industry and to society... :) :ouch:

[MarkD]

wow - never mind prison, imagine what will happen to Robertson when MOL gets hold of him! (The Scotsman says NDR "posed as a Ryanair pilot)

[Readability5]

Danny

Fantastic job. I hope you're proud of your own actions and the support of those around you. I met Robertson at the Old Bank and thought he was a bit strange - but I'd never have imagined this. Well done.

[Caledonian]

Right OK.

I think we now get the point, the guy is a scumbag and deserves all he has coming to him, Danny has done a good job but lets put this to bed now with a padlock as there really is nothing more to be said.

Enough is Enough.

[CaptainFillosan]

Caledonian

Why would you want to close the thread? Something upsetting you? Why does the thread offend you?

There is a lot more to be said. A lot more people are probably queing up to say it. They want to applaud Danny for his tireless efforts in getting this paedophile locked up.

So might I suggest that if you can't stand it, please leave and we will get on fine without you. Your opinion is not required really, is it?

[Woff1965]

Well done Danny - a first rate piece of investigation - you should consider changing your name to Morse!

Fortunately not only was he a sick bas**rd but so clever he kept evidence of his crimes on his hard disk - thank God the little girl has been spared having to testify!

I will be suprised if he gets more than 10 yrs though,

[Metro man]

If he has internet access in prison I'm sure he'll find this site usefull ;) http://www.spr.org/

[StbdD]

Caledonian,

because we aren't done extracting our vengance yet.

When we are, the thread will die.

God willing the awareness won't.

StbdD

[ghost-rider]

As a father of a two year old girl, thankyou very much for exposing the sick b@stard for what he was.

This should get full publicity in the national press as a warning to other sick b@stards out there that they will be hunted down.

Hope he rots !

[Celloistic]

Interesting, although a shade worrying for me is that over at airliners.net there are some who choose still to support NDR, offering him friendship and support - due to 'completing business to mutual satisfaction'; amongst other things.

Don't know how they sleep at night, but there you go - takes all sorts to make a world :confused:

[rainbow]

And now at last, the beginning of the end.

An understandable first response by many of us in this matter is to call for or hope for retribution, vengeance and a violent atonement. A call for in fact a closing with injustice ... an uncivilised end.

Rather, let us meet this awesome evil not with more of the same... let us not debase ourselves to that... well, you get the idea.

I pray this vile creature lingers in durance vile forever and a day. And part of me wants violent punishment directed toward him. Yet another says 'Would that want make me better or worse than the crime or the criminal?"

Let Justice run its course.
Thank you Danny. Thank you PPRuNe. And thank you to those unidentified who assisted putting evil away.

[Green Guard]

Well done Danny
Best Hopes and a big Wish for a little girl recovery.

3 Questions:

1. What about little girl's mother? Will she get a promotion, and keep sending a little girl to her lovers?

2. If it was not for a missed bottle of bacardi, would the mother ever get upset?

3. What about the little girl's father? Will he get any rights over the affairs in his family from now on?

The law in the areas around Baghdad may not seem so bad after all.

[Squiddley]

"Thank you" to Capt PPRuNe and all concerned is just not enough, but it'll have to do. Thank you.

[maninblack]

A thank you to Danny for his long work, work that saved me from some financial loss when I was contacted and requested to help with the interior scheme for Lionair Scotland. It smelt bad, I checked around, it was bad. Pprune saved me time and money.

A few days down the line and a more sober thought rears its head. I feel very sad for the girl. Those who were involved with the Myra Hindley thread may remember my feelings on this kind of thing.

I wish NDR a long and healthy life in detention, an opportunity to try and come to terms with his actions without the distraction of pain or illness, although I doubt whether he will ever see his actions as wrong. paedophiles rarely see their victims as anything other than "willing" from my understanding.

[VFE]

Good to see that this disgusting man has been bought to justice. Congratulations to Danny and the others for assisting in his prosecution.

Robertson showed up at the first PPRuNe Bash I attended and after gauging the general vibe in the room towards the cretin I didn't bother speaking to him and boy am I glad I didn't. The idea that I was even in the same room as that evil man sends shivers down my spine.

Reading the newspaper report made me feel ill. My thoughts are with the poor girl and her family. I hope that Robertson goes through hell whilst in prison and that his every waking hour is spent in absolute terror of reprisals from fellow prisoners.

VFE.

[ghost-rider]

... I wish NDR a long and healthy life in detention ...

Sorry - can't agree with that at all.

It may not be 'PC' to wish others misfortune - but I hope the swine suffers severely - mentally and physically - just like the little girl he abused has.

No one will convince me otherwise I'm afraid.

VFE ...

Well said !

[Ian Robertson]

Hi Folks...no complaints being made here but may I please just announce something which may prevent potential misunderstanding...
My name is IAN Robertson...Scottish pilot, worked for various airlines in UK and Scotland...

(Air Ecosse/Malinair/ Loganair/Scottish European/Air Europe/Gill Air/Monarch/BMIR and a few other freelance jobs..)

Very often the names "Ian" and "Neil" get mixed up, often people call me Neil in error. I actually AM a pilot, and in fact I used to live in Troon some years ago..presently working out of Saudi.
Many of you have met me over the years...and I am in no way connected, related to, or even know this guy known as the Guvnor.

If any of my friends out there want to contact me ...Click Here ([email protected] )

Cheers:ok:

[Doors to Automatic]

I must say I had him sussed as a fake early on when he was presented to us by one of our airport clients.

He seemed too good to be true and claimed that there were many airports that, following talks with him, had agreed to buy our consultancy and software services. When we later contacted them many had never heard of him.

However, the airport that put us in touch with him claimed he was for real and we took him out to Florida to meet one of our other airport clients who was trying to attract a trans-atlantic service.

Of course nothing came of his airline and the only thing that came out of the trip was an enormous hotel bill which he ran up invloving all manner of room-service, telephone and laundry items!

Interestingly on the flight out there he took an interest in a mother travelling with a small child - at this point he informed me he was a child phsycologist. This struck me as a little odd but I thought nothing more of it.

On our last night in Florida we went out for some drinks with a friend of his. We made a stop at a petrol station; Robertson was sat in the front seat and I was behind him. His window was open and he thought he had not closed his door properly. He (rather foolishly) tugged on the sill and at the same time (not seeing what he was doing) I got into the back and slammed the door straight onto his middle finger. The BMW 5-series door made an absolute mess of his finger (they are pretty solid things!) and I felt absolutely awful about what I had done - even though it was a complete accident. I must say I feel slightly less guilty now!

Good riddence to a vile individual - I hope the sentence is long.

[kopbhoy2]

Well done Danny - has anyone posted this on airliners.net btw?

[Coaster]

Well done Danny and your team of helpers.

[Devils Advocate]

Ian, I hope this helps, and for the avoidance of doubt:



This is a picture of: MR NEIL ROBERTSON : http://www.flyastraeus.com/images/NeilRobertson1.bmp

and this is another picture of him : http://www.pprune.org/images/ndrpilotnot.jpg


It need hardly be mentioned that he is posing as an airline Captain courtesy of wearing a fake(?) uniform and that he is sitting next to a young child who seems to, wisely, be keeping their distance from this pervert !

[Knold]

Fancy boat hat he's got :yuk:

[qwertyuiop]

I think the above pictures look like the same guy. If you are trying to distance them from each other I think you are creating confusion.

CrashDive here ( and hence the edit ) - qwertyuiop, it's because the pictures above that Devils Advocate has posted are both of the same guy, and which is why he wrote 'This is a picture of: MR NEIL ROBERTSON' closely followed by 'and this is another picture of him' - i.e. they are BOTH pictures of Neil Robertson / aka. The Guvnor / aka the exact same Neil Robertson that's about to get sent down for sexually mollesting a seven year old girl ! I too hope this helps to clear up any confusion.

OOps. Sorry. Shoot the cnut i say!!!

[Ian Robertson]

Thanks ..hopefully other who vaguely remember me can look and see that there's no resemblance.
(I'm baldy on top)
Might be worth mentioning that there's another Neil Robertson who used to work for Servisair in Aberdeen and I think he moved to south west Scotland but not sure where..but definitely NOT the same guy.

[MMEMatty]

Congrats Danny - and those that helped him - you remained convinced and true to your cause when it would have been easier to say "fcuk this for a laff" and left him to continue his walter mitty lifestyle, and god knows what else.

If you ever end up in smogland, i'll buy you a pint.

Matty

[Zones]

I am another that almost got sucked in to the evil NDR net.

Fortunately I did posess enough brain cells at the time to not even consider parting with any £££ which he did ask for....

...and I must admit I did once or twice sought of 'defend' The Guv on the odd thread, although not too strenuously, cause there was some suspicion that his biz plans were nothing more than hopeful, though not deceiptful. (He always had an answer, or confidently claimed to kwow supposedly mutual well respected industry contacts.)

Anyway, I join all the others in congratuating Danny for persevering to ensure that the fella was exposed, initially as a business-con, but most especially latterly as the most evil kind of human that exists....

I have two daugthers under 3, and this kind of things sends shivers down my spine - my wife will go spastic when I tell her about this!

Well done Danny & Pprune!!: :

Zones.

[Dantruck]

Congrats...and Respect!

Many too many would have crossed the street, walked away, thrown in the towel, said 'to hell with it,' or generally not bothered; found some excuse to be otherwise engaged, not had the time, or just plain couldn't be @rsed!

Suggest you might like to send said pervert a 'welcome to your new home' card, signed "from all at Pprune" once his next address is known. I feel sure he'd benefit from knowing who it was that put him where he is today :}

And do please confirm something for me... Tell me you TRULY knew you were on the right track, and doing the 'right' thing, when you heard of the threats being made against you on those 'redneck' websites? Something tells me that episode confirmed to you just how scared he had by then become? I do hope so.

Dan

[Fragman88]

It's all been said, but Thanks Danny and all your helpers. Proof that individuals can make a difference.

The world is a little bit safer for our children.

I trust he will make some interesting new friends inside!


:ok:

[MarkD]

don't suppose an arty Prooner could draw some vertical bars across NDR's mug?

[sky9]

Well done Danny, I know that you suffered a fair amount of grief in the process.

If I could also point out the value of a search engine like Google to bring the information together

[Gaza]

don't suppose an arty Prooner could draw some vertical bars across NDR's mug?

http://www.rtwinfo.co.uk/ft/images/ndr.jpg

I'll make an better effort tomorrow.

[OneWorld22]

It's quite extraordinary. I remember when he came onto PPRuNe and his grandiose claims about buying the Delta Tri-Stars, remember Celtic Wings? Flying from PIK to PSE and hooking up with PanAm to Florida etc, etc. He fooled a lot of people because he had the airline executive speak. I have to say, I knew about him, (not the child abuse side) courtesy of the grapevine, I knew he was a Walter Mitty, but a dangerous one. He really was looking for moeny from pilots desperate to get a chance to fly the big iron.

I remember his Business plan which had a friend of mine listed as the chairman including his biography. The first my friend ever heard was when I showed it to him! He never met the guy!
He came across as being a harmless buffoon, but he wasn't.

You could see his dark and ugly side pretty clearly through his pretence at being Mr. Nice guy. He was viruntley anti-semitic and when 9/11 occured, he immediatly claimed it was the Israeli's!!

But these revelations about his sordid activites bring it to a whole other level. Surely there must be a case with these monsters of introducing chemical castration as well as just serving time? The killer of Holly and Jessica should get it and so should he. What a disgusting, sick man.

[Celtic Emerald]

Jeez One World

I weren't too keen on the tri stars the Guv was claiming he was going to use for his ficticious airline if they were anything like the Tri-stars EI used to lease from Caledonian. Flew in one to Shannon that was heading for New York. I thanked my lucky stars that I wasn't going to have to fly over the pond in the glued together oul bucket if it ever made it that far that day it is. Phew! Nearly needed an oxygen mask after the experience. :eek:

Emerald

[wing_nut1]

Congradulations Danny!

Well done on behalf of us all!

:ok:

[scotchontherock]

I'm new in this forum, but the story is shocking......I'm glad there are pilots/persons like Danny out there.....well done pal......................sotr

[RedVixen300]

Dear Danny,

I'm grateful to hear that you helped bring this man to justice.

I'm appalled to hear what happened. This man is an absolutely despicable excuse for a human-being. To think that he molested this seven-year old girl. Not to mention the fact that he conned countless other people out of cash and deceived them into believing that he was an affluent airline executive.

The child-molestation charge is the most disgusting, and it is what makes my blood run cold. The fact that he molested a child. She was only seven years old :*. People like that make me ashamed to even be a human-being.

I am very grateful that you helped catch this person. If I ever get the chance, I would like to meet you someday during one of your PPrune gatherings. It would be an honor and a privelage.

Sincerely,
RedVixen300

[Wee Jock]

As the Mum of a four-year-old girl, I send my thanks, Danny.
Well done. Hope Mr R is looking forward to burning in hell.

[Avman]

Well, I said from the beginning that he was a con - and he didn't like it. Unfortunately I didn't have the resources to do much about it. I was shocked to read how he tried to intimidate you Danny and I admire you for your courage and perseverance with those threats hanging over you. Society owes you a great debt for what you have done. Thank you.

[Azure]

I have to add my thank you as well, not only do you run the most popular forum in the world, you take care of us! Thank You.:D

[Captain Spunkfarter]

Another nonce off the streets. Well done Mr Fyne.

Pass the soap Robertson.

[Varipitch]

Danny
I echo all previous comments.
My association with Robertson was limited (thankfully) to speaking about CL-44 parts which he claimed he owned in the USA-alas on this occasion he spoke the truth-probably the only time he ever has done!

[hobie]

Celtic emerald ...... I thought I had seen most of EI's fleet over the years but would have bet a 100 euro's they didn't fly Tristars ........ but you are right !!!! ......

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=G-BBAF&distinct_entry=true

cheers ..... hobie ......

[Training Risky]

Does anyone know when sentencing the convicted will take place?

Soon I hope.

[Charley B]

Well done Danny ---a splendid bit of work,may he rot in hell!!

[a320skolly]

I was last here a couple years ago and remember reading the gov's posts and thinking he was a smart ass know it all.
I was shocked to read what he really is and as a father of a 14 yr old daughter, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your selfless tireless work in getting this sick perverted piece of **** off the street.

Thank you Danny.

[openfly]

Well done Danny...what an amazing story of sheer determination and conviction to nail this b@stard, who has adversely affected so many lives. Someone suggests on here that he take a jar of Vaseline with him into prison...sorry no luxuries. Let him suffer.
Sadly, being a cynic, when it comes to the sentencing, I bet the judge goes soft and this pervert gets 21 days community service! String him up.

PS Anyone know any script writers...great basis for a film!

[panda-k-bear]

Danny - just want to add one more voice of support. It was clear that this bloke was a grade A fantasist, but I don't think many of us realised he was such a grade A perv as well. One less for us to worry about.

Well done! It's this sort of determination in the face of adversity that make me proud to be a Brit.... The fact that the police were not so willing to help, unfortunately, makes me less so.

p-k-b

[bagpuss lives]

Danny and everyone else involved - you have my total admiration and complete and utter respect.

I've kept an interested eye on developments with this sickening scumbag over the past years and I'm really glad that a quite clearly sick individual, is now incarcerated where he so rightly belongs.

Thank you to all and my thoughts go out to those he has harmed and cheated over the years.

[Chef]

Danny

as father to 2 little ones its good to hear justice being dished to these scumbags, well done mate for having the balls to stick with it.

Chef

[mad_badger]

Man, its good to hear stuff like this - well done Danny. I had bumped into this guy on a South-African webforum and found his Lionair claims difficult to believe but I had no idea just how warped an individual he really is...

Kudos to you

[Kurtz]

I think if we are all honest, not many of us would have had the tenacity and sheer fortitude to keep up the trail, as well as doing the day job, not to mention the Pprune!
As one, I suspect, of many who were completely taken in by the Bar Steward's glib postings - never really took an interest, just assumed he was another pruner with attitude - may I reiterate what so many have said already.

BLOODY WELL DONE!!!! :ok:

[Gunship]

:ok: Well done Danny. Glad I could help in a small way to expose the pig !

One of the forum's he visited was VOETSEK ! Voetsek is a great South African expat site made 99% for ex-South Africans in the UK. www.voetsek.co.uk

I think it was also used in the court as I forwarded it to relevant authorities.

Well NDR was a member there as well : he was known as JetBok

Here is / was his profile :
http://www.voetsek2.co.uk/chat/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2311

Here was his posts that he did ... http://www.voetsek2.co.uk/chat/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=146701

One of his posts .. " Amongst other things, I'm a child psychologist and whilst it's impossible to give a diagnosis without seeing the client first-hand, I can perhaps give you some pointers. .. "

Great to see him behind bars ... :ok:

[yeoman]

I gave up ppruning a couple of years ago because I could no longer stomach the moronic spin and vitriol found under the name of Guvnor in just about every post. It also coincided with the birth of the first of 2 girls and the consequent reduction in time available! They are a little safer today.

Nothing else to add to the 10 pages of well deserved congratulations and thanks to those involved.

[Celtic Emerald]

Gees yeoman

I was about to say that I couldn't believe that one person could turn you off PRuNe & then I realised the same thing had happened to me though it wasn't the guv who did it, so what the hell was I going to start preaching to you about. :rolleyes:

I was so wet behind the ears I thought initially the Guv was some kind of bigshot or something 'I even called him a "VIP" when he came into chat once till a few people in chat put me right about his background & motives. Gawd the embarassment, I feel like a right bl**dy eejit now! Anyway there's an 'ignore' option in PPRuNe now so hopefully that situation never arises for you or me again. :)

As far Danny, yes what he did was great though I've a feeling when he first took the Guv on he had no idea how many eerie turns the path was going to take each time a rock was unturned.

Legal dealings are always a nightmare & draining both physically, emotionally & financially. It takes a brave person to turn to the legal system & have the tenacity & principles to stick it out particularly if they've the choice in turning the other way & especially take on someone like the Guv (corr what a pompous, egotistic username) with all his threats, antics & 'National Front' friends. Quite a frightening adversary.

The Guv's sentencing should be soon, interesting to see how that will turn out.........

Emerald

[RiverCity]

Wonderful, gutsy job, Danny!

Although it was obvious from the start that the guy was a b.s. artist, I was very surprised to find that he was more than just hot air. A similar thing happened at a local college -- people suspected, but it took someone with perception and guts to get the guy behind bars.

[WEBLUEIT]

Anybody following this story is sure to get a visit from the cyber police! (But you are probably safe in SW Scotland.)

[GIMPOSH]

well done Danny I am sure you have done the world a service!
On a side note, has anyone else thought that this whole thing might make a good movie??? Or at lease a good Docudrama!!

[Dave T-S]

Jeez........

Well done!

[RiverCity]

On a side note, has anyone else thought that this whole thing might make a good movie??? Or at least a good Docudrama!!

Flight To Justice ... Prunes were not good for him.

[biakske]

Congratulations !

[WelshFlyer]

Good work Danny! Hope they lock the barstard up and throw away the key

[GrandPrix]

Great job Danny!!
Hated the Goobernor the first time I read one of his long-winded, self important posts on anything.
In a moment of rage (& stupidity), I posted that I would like to have the opportunity to relieve myself on his parent's graves for bringing an a-hole like that into the world. Rightfully, it was deleted.
But I was right.
His fellow convicts will give this child molester a WARM welcome into the cell block.
I can hear it now "Neil, is that your name or what you do?"
"You sure got a pretty mouth." "Squeal like a pig!"
I suspect he won't make it out alive.
What a shame. NOT!

[The Filth]

On the site it is also claimed that Duncan MacLaughlin is to be the airline's "Special Projects Manager" who will be "responsible for the security of the company’s operations, assets and personnel."

This ex-drug and regional crime squad officer has apparently been "trained by the SAS in covert techniques" and has expertise in "money laundering and undercover surveillance."

A tad over qualified if his main job is sitting next to Neil on the train and making sure nobody nicks the laptop when he falls asleep after 18 pints of lager.

Very.

stagger - Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

My solicitor has now been instructed.

[Indiana Jones]

Nice one Danny.....as many have said, hanging is too good for them.......

[blowawayjet]

great to have him locked up!!!wonder who's bitch he's gonna be now.....




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[TACAN]

You may all be interested in this article just posted on the BBC news page.
It is very, very sad to think that NDR may well receive a minimal custodial sentence. So much for British justice.

TACCY :mad:

[Unwell_Raptor]

TACAN

If you read the report you will see that one is 69 and one is 70. That will have reduced the sentences considerably.

[TACAN]

UR - I had read the report, (that's why I chose to post it here)along with many others over the past 18 months. Admittedly the judicial system is flexible enough to allow for some discretion in sentencing when age is considered, however there have been many recent cases where the degree of 'flex' has been wholly inappropriate. I was merely trying to ready our colleagues here on PPRuNE for a sentence which may, eventually, not be what was expected - or hoped for....

TACCY

[RiverCity]

Do you have the mandatory sexual predator reporting laws there that we have in the US? Not only must the released predator check in with the police, but I think the police also notify the neighbors whenever he moves. So, even if the prison sentence isn't stiff enough, the reporting requirements can also be a pain.

[Unwell_Raptor]

Yes there is something similar called the sex offenders register.

[Flytest]

I'm one of the many, amazed, new Ppruner's who has only just read this story.. Stunned that this turkey got away with his deranged little lifestyle for so long, but impressed with Danny.

Real live hero. Top job mate.

[Boss Raptor]

Guv's previous custodial conviction in 91 for 'abducting a child' will no doubt be taken into account in his sentencing as will his extreme deception during the 'grooming' phase

Well we can hope...and put a few more pins in our 'Guv' doll :cool:

[737lover]

Guys like the Guvnor make me ...:yuk:
I hope they will put him away for a long time

[asheng]

Well Done Danny,

theres nothing I can say that hasn't already been said but I hope they lock the B******d up for a very long time and that we never see the likes of him again.

[CAACHIEF]

Congratulations Danny, I too had picked up on NDR's sordid history in South Africa. He clearly is a dangerous lunatic. At one stage he claimed I was an IRA trained assassin who had bombed the South African ambassador in NYC ( and hence had to leave th USA hurriedly). Good Riddance. :ok:

[Training Risky]

Does anyone know when Robertson will be sentenced?

Or if it has already happened?

[Seaman Staines]

I have asked "Bubba" to look out for this bloke.:}

[frb98mf]

Was reading it all with interest, then the Ceilidh name he used, him claiming Danny murdered Palestinians, and the remarks about being antisemitic reminded me that I came across him a little while back in a politics chatroom, calling himself Ceilidh. He was being pretty inciteful, tried to dig some dirt and lie about me to try and win his argument (apparently I worked for the Israeli government as some kind of cyberspy - luckily it was so far-fetched everyone ignored him).

He was into the whole Jews have no right to a country, Israel should not exist thing, I think it even went into a touch of Holocaust denial, certainly there was a big bit about how he thought Israelis were mass-murdering the Palestinians and could get away with it because of the Holocaust - even the BBC and the Guardian haven't gone that far yet! Plenty of implied Jewish conspiracy tripe as well.

In my first week living in Edinburgh, somebody tried to put a molotov cocktail through the synagogue door. I know people who have been spat upon, had pig's heads and razor blades left on their doorsteps and worse, because people like him have dug up their home addresses and so on, because they disagreed with his vile brand of politics.

I'm glad that a sicko like that won't be around to hurt anyone or incite anyone else into harming people again for a long, long time.

[blueside^]

Great stuff Danny. Now can you fix Liberia and the Middle East.

[Under the Hood]

Well done - my son was assaulted over many months by one of these jerks. Lock them all away.

[Iain]

Can anyone tell us what sentence was handed down? I eagerly await to see if the British justice system can do what it is designed for.

[HotDog]

Blueside, can you elaborate, what are you insinuating?:confused:

[Rommel]

Danny,
Ive found you,on occasion, to be rather sanctimonious on "protecting" the rights of other contributors,or possibly too eager to cede to the demnads of others,which now,i understand a little better.A lively debate,is not always,and should not be always taken to be potentially defamatory.Powerful,paymasters,make threats,and that is why now I see the dilemma you faced.

The Guvnor,was always contentious,and highly dubious,so well done to highlight this menace to society through PPrune,I think we all commonly loathe the practise of these people,thankfully rather less numbers congregate in commercial aviation management.

Frankly,the ultimate(wrong kind) wanabee,let us hope he stays away a long time.

Flug Kapitan Rommel:ugh:

[126.9]

Why don't you channell this energy in a positive direction? Why not expose the plight of Orphaned Land-Mine Victims in Mocambique and Angola instead of this sickening sticky?

Personally, Im sick to the t!ts of hearing (or reading) about the only PPRuNer that's more famous than Danny Fyne! :yuk:

[upperecam]

I'll not rise to the bait but am moved to answer. It is the very mentality of the likes of NR and I knew the b******d, that create wars and strife with their sick egotistical nastiness. Here is one despot unlikely to rise to the ranks of landmine sower but he sure would have liked to.

If you don't like the justified praise of Danny Fyne why are you here on the site? Like TV, anybody with half a brain can operate the on/off switch. Ah..........................right, yes roger, got it, that's why you're here.

Incidentally the guy who abused my young daughters many years ago is still at large and so far I am unable to expose him and he continues in his role as the perfect airline captain. At least one of his erswhile partners in crime has been sorted for now. I say once more, very well done Danny.
:rolleyes: ;) :bored: :E :ok:

[PPRuNe Pop]

126.9

Where is Mocambique?

Never mind. But as it gets on your pimples, and since your contribution to this thread is now at an end, you will not be able to tell us.

[strafer]

upperecam - please don't take this the wrong way and think I'm being facetious, but if this :mad: abused your daughters, and you know who he is - why is he still alive?

[upperecam]

Strafer,

Your comment is appreciated and understood. The situation I am in is enormously complicated and the b:mad: is very much in the cunning and very clever mode as NR. However I still expect to outlive him!

[Tosh McCaber]

Oh dear- I've just clicked back onto this posting after several weeks, and it seems to hve degenerated into a slanging match, for the main part.

Past its sell-by date?

[Andrew M]

Oh dear- I've just clicked back onto this posting after several weeks, and it seems to hve degenerated into a slanging match, for the main part.

Quite a few threads I've read have turned into this. I guess it is just something that will always exist on internet forums. This one won't be any different from any other forum.

[IanH]

Why refer to this individual as 'The Guvnor' ?

I always thought a 'guvnor' was someone who had or begrudgingly had the respect at times of the folks who worked under him.

I cant see how this bloke had any respect off of anyone ?

Lets hope that he lives in fear for quite a while in the nonce's block !

[Nothrills]

One cannot be 'guilty of paedophilia'; the latter is a form of sexual attraction that, unfortunately, one does not choose, but in most cases is able to contain. In this case, a person is guilty of sexually exploiting children.

[The Filth]

Training Risky

Does anyone know when Robertson will be sentenced?

Or if it has already happened?

I check daily, and have yet to find any reference to it to date.

His Friends Reunited entry remains there for all to read though.

[Danny]

For the second time this month, sentencing has been deferred due to Robertsons legal team walking out in frustration at his incessant lying. Hopefully justice will be served early next month.

[PPRuNe Radar]

The proposed date of sentencing can be monitored on the Scottish Court Service website.

From the list which the link below brings up, click on 'High Court of the Justiciary' and then on the link to 'Deferred Sentencing' from the new list displayed.

You will be given access to a Word document which details the miscellaneous business of the High Court on a weekly basis. For example, the document for the week commencing 4th August 2003 shows that Lord Reed was due to pass sentence on Robertson on 5th August (now further deferred as stated by Danny).

I guess checking each week for his name will give a heads up to anyone who has an interest in seeing what justice will bring to him.

Scottish Courts (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/index1.asp)

[boris]

Isn't about time that we stopped revelling in Robertson's ignomy?
It's over. Perhaps a note of his sentence whenever it comes will be of interest, but that aside, aren't we just a bit fed up of all this?

[upperecam]

Boris,

There are many,many reasons for keeping this thread alive. One of them is to highlight that these people are sometimes brought to book. If it makes you uncomfortable why read it?

Incidentally do you mean "ignominy"?

:eek: :confused: :eek:

[TurbineBlade]

Unbelivable story !!!...I think i've met the guy in the Bash 2001 at Stansted.Back then he was claiming that he could find me a job in an L-1011 immediately and was asking for my e-mail address.I thought the guy was not serious and i did'nt pay anymore attention as he kept speaking to others acompanying me.
What an:mad: !!

[boris]

upperecam

Of course I meant "ignominy", which was obvious to you, therefore most probably obvious to others, so the smarty-pants response was not really warranted, was it?

I am, of course, delighted that Robertson has been brought to book.

boris

[Jeffrey S]

Well done man.

as a student pilot (22 yrs) im new to this website, but am quite disturbed about things like this. i am married but no children and things like this quite frankly put me off having them.


they should make him clean runway 27R with a toothbrush on a busy day then hang him by the nuts from the tallest NDB

[timmcat]

Anyone know if his fan club on airliners.net are still standing by him?

[md80forum]

What a witch-hunt this is !

How does it make the aviation community a better place to be, if a documented paedophile is nailed in court ? I certainly applaud it, if this community and its central profiles has stood up to its civic duties and provided information that eventually may have lead to a criminal rightly ending up in prison. But apart from this individual being a nuisance to many on these forums, having a fake office in Prestwick and dealing in Tristars he has nothing to do with, I fail to see why child-molesting is a topic with the highest score on an aviation board.

I'm amazed about the British medieval-like mobs that nowadays turn up on my tv screen around alleged murderers and paedophiles. Now I am just as amazed to see that the pilot psyche - from which I really had expected something less primal - seems to be full of that same thing.

I'm a father of a junior of eight years. He is the apple of my eye, and he walks to school alone.

Sexual abuse of children is disgusting. But so is this thread.

Jan-Erik

[Andrew M]

But apart from this individual being a nuisance to many on these forums, having a fake office in Prestwick and dealing in Tristars he has nothing to do with, I fail to see why child-molesting is a topic with the highest score on an aviation board.

No - he was more than a nuiscance - he was a con artist as well.


Personally I think the above is a smack in the face to the forum members that aided in the reporting to the police/gathering evidence of this man.

I'm amazed about the British medieval-like mobs that nowadays turn up on my tv screen around alleged murderers and paedophiles. Now I am just as amazed to see that the pilot psyche - from which I really had expected something less primal - seems to be full of that same thing.

Ones profession makes no impact on how they feel about criminals and controversial topics. Child-molesting isn't something I have read often here, this occurance being the first, and if PPRuNe didn't play such a large part in the accusation of this guilty man then it wouldn't even be a talking point.

I think you seem to forget that if it wasn't for the work of some people (they know who they are) this animal would still be at large.

[Thunderball]

I met Robertson several times, I was appalled by the extent to which he manipulated and deceived others in seeking to sustain his fantasies, and I detest any form of child abuse - physical, sexual, or spiritual. It lays waste to lives, depriving its victims of the inner peace and happiness that should have been their birth-right.

But I agree with Jan-Erik. I hope that many of those who have posted low-grade vitriol over the previous pages will examine their own souls, and consider the extent to which their contributions have added to our understanding of Robertson, human nature in general, and of aviation in particular.

[Boss Raptor]

And what about those who were victim to his deception?!

Let's call it 'high grade vitriol' - I have chosen like many to stay quiet but believe me if I ever meet and/or find that individual again he will wish that prison is the best place for him...

Thunderball and Jan-Erik..I agree with yr sentiments but pls remember this man caused a lot of us a lot of personal grief...and that excludes the paedophilia that only laterly came to light!

[DeltaTango]

good on ya Danny:} :} :}

[Banana99]

It's not a witch-hunt. It's a victory parade for danny. I really can't see the justification for keeping this as a sticky. It's over now and god-damn boring. Is this the longest a thread has been a sticky in the history of pprune?!?!?!

[Andrew M]

this thread remains a sticky until we know the sentencing of the man in question.

read back at PPRuNe Radars post for more information on why this thread remains

[Banana99]

simply post on this thread when the man's been sentenced!

[QDMQDMQDM]

I'm amazed about the British medieval-like mobs that nowadays turn up on my tv screen around alleged murderers and paedophiles.

Quite so. This reached its apex when a mob hounded a woman out of a house in Portsmouth a couple of years ago because they thought she was a paedophile. She was, of course, a paediatrician, but the ignorant apes in the mob were too stupid to know the difference.

Lynch-mob justice does no-one any favours and degrades our whole society.

[Banana99]

this thread remains a sticky until we know the sentencing of the man in question

and when did you become a moderator Andrew M?

[Andrew M]

I'm just using something called common sense

[PPRuNe Pop]

And you are right AM!

[McIce]

Looks like its going to be a 'sticky' for a wee while longer.
An article in todays Sunday Mail about the Gov's string of debt and his Walter Mitty character has also stated that his defence team have walked out on him, the second time this has happened. Hence his senteceing has been delayed again.
Maybe Dannys got the lawyers in on the witch hunt aswell or does it just show the true nature of this man. To be ditched by a group of people who usually dont care who they represent as long as they get their money maybe says it all.

[Boss Raptor]

A Defence Team will walk out on a client if that client refuses to go-along with their recommendations as to his plea and/or his defence...i.e. continues to lie and/or go against what the defence team sees as the best course of pleading to obtain the lowest sentence under the circumstance...or a client can 'sack' a Defence Team, with the severity of his case and potential sentancing the Judge will not consider letting NDR defend himself...

It is fairly unusual I understand but does tend to indicate that Guv is possibly continuing to lie and let his overactive imagination run wild even in the face of this adversity!

As one who suffered directly due to his lies, deceit and fraudulent activities and then after 'uncovering' his lies and fraud to me was further subjected to personal slander on other boards and his petty and empty threats...

I would not call this end a 'witch hunt'...just rather ironic that in the end his paedophile activities that none of us, Danny included I think, knew anything about at the time is what caused his downfall...and not his airline related fraud. NDR bought this on himself, without any 'witch hunt'.

[PPRuNe Radar]

With acknowledgement to online Sunday Mail (http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/)

PERVERT FLEECED ME FOR £1000

Billy Paterson Exclusive



A PERVERT who pretended to be a pilot has left a garage owner with a £1000 debt and dozens of unpaid parking tickets.

Neil Robertson, 37, is in jail awaiting sentence for sexually abusing a seven- year-old girl he met after posing on the internet as a psychologist.

He should have been sentenced at the High Court in Edinburgh last week but the case was deferred after his solicitors ditched him, the second time his team have quit.

Now it has emerged that Robertson, who claimed he was setting up an airline from Prestwick Airport, managed to dupe a garage owner out of a Jaguar by posing as a pilot.

Willie Hainey, who owns ARJ Vehicle Recovery and Garage Services in Ayr, sold Robertson an L- reg. 3.2 Sports Auto Jag for £4750 in March.

But after paying £2000 from an offshore bank account and some instalments, the payments stopped with almost £1000 outstanding.

Ex-squaddie Willie, 55, said: "He's a complete Walter Mitty. Not only am I due £1000 but I have been bombarded with parking tickets from all over the country - from Manchester, Dundee, Dunfermline, Edinburgh and Glasgow."

Robertson will not now be sentenced until next month while a third firm of solicitors receives instructions.

The High Court in Glasgow heard in June that Robertson took photographs of himself as he abused his victim.

A source close to the case said: "If this sick fantasist thinks he can escape justice by continually changing his story he is wrong. He is just delaying the inevitable - which will be a jail sentence and hopefully a very long one."

[BIG PARTYR]

Well at least he gave you losers (who have nothing better to do on your days off) something to talk about. This web site has turned into such sappy joke! You spoilt brat boy NIGELS should all sit in the corner and suck your thumbs.

[HotDog]

BIG PRAT, may I suggest that on your days off, you spend a bit of time studying an English dictionary instead of wasting every body's time with your inane drivel. Also try and not attempt to communicate in capitals, it's considered very impolite.:bored:

[Andrew M]

Well at least he gave you losers (who have nothing better to do on your days off) something to talk about. This web site has turned into such sappy joke! You spoilt brat boy NIGELS should all sit in the corner and suck your thumbs.

This is the attitude that is the reason why such beasts are at large. And if anyone dare help - my god (!)

We can't be having that now can we ? :rolleyes:

It's simple - if you don't like the site then you don't need to use it. No one holds a gun against your head and forces you to post on PPRuNe.

[Ignition Override]

MD80forum, and gang: Although I'm a US citizen and have only visited Britain years ago, maybe my comments here are not valid, but if they are, please count me IN, regarding the "British medieval-mob mentality" suggested on a previous page [13?], with no apologies from me. By contrast, most of the time I do have faith in our modern Anglo-Saxon justice system. The sicko who is the focus of this thread is very fortunate not to have been born many years ago. Maybe the judge over there can be counted on, once the case is proven, to hand out a severe sentence. We certainly have a number of "Wimps On the Bench" over here in the US.

The simple facts that: 1) many more people in the industry over there apparently might have made investments in that scheme and lost huge sums of money (or possibly spent money on a 1011 type-rating) and,

2) the creator of this website, "Commander" Fyne (I state this rank as a matter of respect), had the determination to not cave in to that pervert's threats and somewhat ruthless attempts to intimidate his family and publish their address etc, certainly clarifies that any discussions of that pervert are quite relevant on Pprune's forums (fora).

If that sicko N.R. escapes prison alive, people will need to track him years from now. One very infamous former church leader (convicted pervert) here in the US, who was convicted of harming many children over several decades, was murdered in prison a few days ago. Mr. Neil Robertson might just attempt to change his name, place of residence, and set himself up in the future with Youth Ministrys with a church, or large organization...

Is any of this not clear?

[Tony Bowers]

Has anyone else noticed how similar the pictures of David Milner (the 46 year old guy who is reported as having gone off with 14 year old Stacey) are to Mr Robertson? Or is it just my imagination?

Tony

[strafer]

I've read a lot of idiotic posts in pprune over the years but the two above are quite simply the most stupid I have ever seen. as very often they have very little insight as to what they are doing is actually wrong. Exactly what physiciatric/forensic training do you have that enables you to make such a statement? None is the answer, just your pathetic liberal dogma. The very fact that these people try to cover their tracks and not get caught proves that they know exactly what they are doing. Having a personality disorder is not the same as being legally insane, nor is it often 'treatable'.
You are right however in one way, prison is not the answer. A society that allows men like this to prey on the weakest elements causing them severe psychological and/or physical pain is not civilised as you'd like to think, simply twisted.

As to Playpen (???) sneering at vigilantism. No I don't necessarily agree with that, but a legal system that doesn't reflect the concerns of the people it belongs to, will obviously lead to an increase in people taking justice into their own hands.

Console yourself with the fact that I am a right-wing reactionary and never question your own ignorance.

[ghost-rider]

Well said Strafer.

And this maybe very "un-PC" - but it's my honest opinion and I make no apology for it ... the sick b@stards should be publicly executed.

The world would be a (slightly) better place without these vermin !

I wouldn't think twice about hunting down and exterminating anyone that tries to abuse my daughter- as no-doubt would any parent -, regardless of the legal outcome that would come crashing down on me which would probably be more severe than any handed out to the sickos !

Great world we live in.

[the egg man]

horrible nasty man

[ghost-rider]

Why's that Egg Man ?

Because I'd go to any length to protect my own daughter and demand retribution if necessary ?!

If anyone commits these crimes, they should expect the worst !

ps Great first post by the way ! :rolleyes:

[the egg man]

not you ghostie
you silly old fool ,i meant the guv.is a nasty dirty perv,who should be hung by his nuts.....

[ghost-rider]

Oops ... humble apologies egg-man ! :eek: :ok:

[md80forum]

I wouldn't think twice about hunting down and exterminating anyone that tries to abuse my daughter- as no-doubt would any parent
Should that happen to me as a father, I would be grateful that there is an established legal system to protect everybody's dignity - including my own. Any action I would take in such a situation would most likely be blurred by hate, anger and fear and would most probably not turn the world into a better place. That is why most of us still place our trust in the idea of Western law and justice.

Unfortunately there, however, seems to be nothing to protect the dignity of some of those who post here, except the anonymity from behind which they shoot.

I still commend Danny Fyne for his deeds towards society and justice in this case, and I still think sexual abuse of children, yes, should be punished severely. With due respect, though, Mr. Fyne, why don't you unlock this thread now and allow these many comments to fall into oblivion ? They are an embarrassment to the professional aviation community (at least it should be to the British part of it), to this forum and soon also to yourself.

I don't know if anybody in here has the capacity of being sad about what can be read down this thread. Maybe the capacity of feeling sadness is something you attribute to inferior genders, personalities, sexual orientations, altitudes, or to passengers.

But I have it.

Jan-Erik Andelin

[strafer]

Mr Andelin,
I would be grateful that there is an established legal system to protect everybody's dignity - including my own.
Maybe in Finland, but not here. Robertson will be sentenced shortly, he'll serve (a maximum) of a couple of years in prison and when he's released, there will be absolutely nothing to stop him doing it again. Young children look to adults to protect them. The fact that the level of danger these people pose to children is not a factor in whether they are released or not, is ridiculous. And yes, that makes me sad.

[ghost-rider]

Well said Mike.

md80forum ... do you really think that there is a reliable legal system in the UK ?? IMHO it's a farce ! The lunatics really have taken over in the UK!

Look at the Tony Martin case ! ( for non-UK readers, this was the case of a farmer who, after suffering countless burglaries in the past, shot dead the latest burglar and wounded his accomplice. Martin was jailed for several years for manslaughter and the surviving burglar is being allowed to sue him for damages ! In a simplistic view, this gives the green light to anyone wanting to rob and steal from people and property and that the rightfull owners daren't touch them if caught !)

I openly admit that in such a case as something horrible happening to my daughter - god forbid - I would probably lose my dignity in my quest for vengeance. Why? I'm not a 'bad person' I believe - but like any respecting parent, would do everything possible to protect their kids ! Unfortunately, I can't see myself being able to forgive and forget under such circumstances !

Remember their is even an 'ethic' in the prison population that child molesters / perverts are the lowest of the low and get treated as such.

I reiterate that it won't solve all the world's problems, but getting rid of these vermin - permanently - would certainly help !

And as to your point about this being an aviation forum ... I think it's refeshing getting into a topic which affects everyone. Makes a nice change from Boeing v Airbus, LCAs v Flag Carriers etc etc !

And hiding behind anonymity ? Not at all ! That's purely for when we post on subjects sensitive to our continued employment ! That's common sense !

Why do you think my views an embarrassment ?! :confused: Surely you don't believe a slap on the wrist and a bit of councelling would be the way forward to dealing with these sickos ??

I actually am saddened by your posting. Am I so wrong and out-of-touch with reality as to want these 'people' dealt with ?? Has the world really come to the point where we should 'love everyone, forgive and forget, no matter what' ?!?! I hope not !

And the reference to race, creed, pax is pathetic ! We are talking about sick perverted dangerous people here. Regardless of whether they are red with green stripes or habitually smoke in airliner toilets - keep the argument on the same level !!

[Boss Raptor]

Mr Andelin you are completely missing the point!

Robertson defrauded and/or decieved many Pprune members long before he himself was arrested for Paedophilia (completely seperate to Pprune and Ppruners).

As one who assisted Robertson by alllowing him to live in one of my properties when and I quote 'he had returned from living in Africa and a short contract in Trinidad and needed some time/help to get on his feet again'. I also loaned him money to do exactly this...as did others...Well as the 'Good Samaritan' I got dumped on bigtime...as did others!

It is for this Danny, myself and others chose to bring him to the full attention of the aviation world for the fraud and conman he really was (not Paedophilia)! As a seperate issue Robertson then started slandering Danny, myself and others on other aviation forums which we then both legally (as a particular Hostmaster found out when he took no action) and practically took action protect/defend ourselves...

As host of the MD80Forum Mr. Andelin I doubt you would be very happy if one of your members started defrauded others on your forum like Robertson did on Pprune...and I think you would take the action Danny did to stop it!!!

I doubt Mr. Andelin you would like your forum used as 'base' from which Robertson (or others...) undertook fraud and deception...

I doubt you would sit and watch whilst an MD80 Forum member, whom you had removed for the above reasons/activities, slandered you and your colleagues/fellow forum members on other aviation forums...

...and I doubt Mr. Andelin you would morally sit back and do nothing when some fairly damming evidence of paedophile activities became apparent (some of which for obvious reasons was and will never be made available on Pprune)

Suggest you acquaint yourself on the full and complete history of this case and the 3 year history of Robertsons' activities on Pprune, and then consider the actions you would/should take if someone defrauded you or people you knew or people on your forum. You may well then understand the venom and anger being directed in general at Robertson by Ppruners!

We (and other Ppruners) pursued Robertson for being a fraud and liar which is why I personally am so vindictive about him...he caught himself on Paedophilia. Unfortunately this is an integral and final part of the history and his final demise which is why this thread will remain until he is sentanced - remember he has been already found guilty hence we are more than entitled to discuss it!!

[Anti Skid On]

I think the following may need changing

I moved to Africa (Nigeria, South Africa and Burundi) where I ran a couple of cargo and passenger airlines for several years. Did an MA in Psych and an MSc in Airline Management.

Now back in Scotland, where I was planning on starting a new airline but those plans have been put on hold following the events of Sept 11 01. Currently looking for something else to do - all suggestions welcome!

Divorced, one son (Luke) born in 1996 who lives with his mother in South Africa.

I can be contacted at or on +44(0)7715 034548
20/01/2002 23:11:23

Perhaps Neil will have to go online and change his details to c/o HM Prison Barlinnie, Seclusion Wing, Glasgow.

[Evanelpus]

Sadly, as a parent, I have been there and got the tee shirt.

When I found out it had happened to my child, I immediately went to the tool box and picked out the biggest spanner I could find, intent on paying the man a visit.

Fortunately for me my wife (now my ex) hid my car keys and phoned my best mate who at the time was a police inspector. She managed to calm me down enough to made me give him a call and I'm glad I did because had I have gone round and reshaped the pervs head the police wouldn't have gone to see him the next afternoon and catch him in the act again.

I had to be content in the knowledge that ponces are targetted in HMP's.

[CrashDive]

Have a look here at the section for Tuesday 9th September '03: Scottish Courts - High Court of the Justiciary - Deferred Sentencing (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/justiciary/deferred_sentences/docs/20030908.doc)

Is the Neil Robertson referred to the one and the same nonce, and what does 'deferred sentencing' mean ?

If it is indeed PPRuNe's favourite nonce, is anyhbody going to be in the area of the court to see what Lord Reed hands down - and has anybody got any inside track on Lord Reed, i.e. is he a hang'm & flog'm judge of the old school ? Let's hope so ! :E

[btmtdi]

Oh bloody hurrah - Robertson is going to be sentenced by the same F***WIT who yesterday gave another nonce 5 years for raping a baby and indecently assaulting a 6 year old - god help us all

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3080436.stm

Lord Robert John Reed's contact details from Who's Who are "Court of Session, Parliament House, Parliament Square, Edinburgh, EH1 1RQ" - maybe a letter or two of protest about his verdict yesterday may affect the way he sentences this sort of crime in the future ?

He is 46 (47 on Sunday 7/9) - he has been married for 15 years and has two daughters - you would think he would know better really....

This info is also available on the Burke's Peerage website so no secrets, nothing inappropriate about posting it here

[LatviaCalling]

Danny,

In case you didn't get this posting from another group, I found it while cleaning out the computer from 2001. I don't know who it is from, but it certainly adds another nail in the coffin.

---


"We haven't really talked with Caledonian Wings." was the reply when I asked Delta Air Lines about the airline.

Frequent visitors of this website, or people who know about the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar well, probably thought ÒWhat!?Ó the moment you read this first sentence. Caledonian Wings, formerly known as Celtic Airways, has been known for its humongous, ironic plan that took the airline industry observers by surprise; a plan to purchase 44 L-1011s from Delta Air Lines. Neil Robertson, the Chief Executive Officer of Caledonian Wings has been telling the media since early this year that he is under negotiations with Delta, and that talks were progressing smoothly, despite slowly. Robertson said the new airline would offer low-fare transatlantic flights from Scotland's Prestwick International Airport commencing April 2001. He claims the airline will grow quickly, becoming the largest operator of the L-1011, opening and thus developing Scottish tourism. Well, then what did Delta's words mean!?

I have received numerous letters asking whether Caledonian Wings really existed or not. They had announced their existence in spring 2000, and surprised, when they told the media that they intended to acquire 44 L-1011s from Delta for ACMI (Aircraft Crew Maintenance Insurance) services. Robertson reported that the new airline would be based at Shannon, and that a huge L-1011 overhaul complex would be built there. But, when Robertson kept giving similar announcements on and on that he was "making progress, despite slowly", shades of dark clouds started to gather in our minds.

When Robertson first emailed me, he was not asking me to assist in finding an airworthy L-1011 TriStar available at a reasonable price, but instead asked me if I could suggest a good name for his new airline! I replied "Excel" (now used by former Sabre Airways), but then he told me that he had made up his mind on "Celtic Airways", the reason being that "Celtic" was his favorite word. Next, he emailed me a large chart identifying the names and registrations he hoped to apply to the L-1011s he planned to acquire, which he hadn't even submitted to the Ireland's aviation authority. After that, he introduced me Africargo Airlines and told me that they operated ACMI leases worldwide with Boeing 747Fs, L-1011Fs and "many" cargo propliners. He also told me about City Connexions Airlines, which he said was a local airline based in Burundi utilizing a fleet of "fuel-efficient" Canadair CL-44s. I searched for the two airlines in several aviation directories and publications, including "JP Airline Fleets", but I could not find anything about it, and nor did my friends did. Robertson told me that he negotiated with BWIA for three months in acquiring three L-1011-500s. He reports that the negotiations were terminated since BWIA asked too much money for the aircraft. But BWIA has nothing about the discussions on their website. Before summer, Robertson told me that he had plans on setting up a leasing company exclusively for the L-1011 in Gibraltar named Elten Acquisitions Limited, and that Caledonian Wings would lease the L-1011s from them. Well, let's see, what's the point of leasing aircraft from a subsidiary leasing company? Recently, he told me that he would rename his airline "Caledonian Wings" with the "parent company"(?) being named "Wings Holdings", although he didn't tell me any reasons for this move. He then told me his tie up with BPI Aerospace to form a large company to acquire the L-1011s from Delta. But BPI Aerospace has nothing about it on their website either.

The most important thing for any kind of business is "money." He has boasted of creating 250 jobs at Prestwick with direct flights to Boston, Orlando, New York, Los Angeles, Toronto, and Washington DC for as little as 165 pounds roundtrip. Recently, he said that he was close to clinching a 30 million-pound deal with Delta to buy three of its aging L-1011s. Remember, the "deal" was to have led to Robertson buying 44 aircraft, instead of three. But a senior Delta source revealed "The last time this news came out, checked and the reality was we have never actually talked with them. We run up against this sort of thing on a regular basis. It enhances their public perception and, in a lot of cases, enhances negotiations with governments and others to say they are talking with Delta Air Lines." A Delta spokesman said it was their policy not to identify firms involved in buying aircraft until the deal was complete. But in anyway, they revealed that Robertson was an "unreliable client". Robertson's last HQ was an office at Bujumbura Airport in Burundi. A friend of mine who is involved the airline business said that in the beginning of this year, Robertson came up to him and asked if he could find a job! An airline is nothing without aircraft and employees. I tried writing emails to different departments at Wings Holdings to find out more about Robertson's biography, but surprisingly, all of them were replied by Robertson. Is there anyone who works for Robertson?

Talking more about "aircraft", Robertson reportedly purchased N31023 (msn 1080) from PK Airfinance. This fact is extremely hard to believe, since this aircraft is one of the TriStars which have accumulated the highest hours, having logged 71,299 hours. The aircraft would absolutely need a C-Check. In addition, the aircraft has been stored at Kingman, Arizona since its retirement from Trans World Airlines back in September 1997. The aircraft sitting on the desert sands at Kingman, and it did not seem airworthy at all. Asking the sources, they said that they haven't heard of Caledonian Wings, and that the aircraft may have to be scrapped soon, since a new owner could not be found.

Neil claims to have acquired Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 experience, but according to sources who actually know him, the only genuine pilot he has obtained is a South African PPL and in no ways above that. He is at age 35, and he claims his firm, Caledonian Wings, will pioneer flights from Prestwick International Airport to the USA and Canada. But research revealed that the closest Robertson has come to being an airline tycoon was running two clapped-out freight planes from a dusty airstrip in Africa under the name of Africargo Airlines, which was not listed in any airline directories. But, as previously mentioned, Robertson boasted that the airline operated Boeing 747Fs, L-1011Fs and many propliners. And the thing is this even ended up in disaster. Seven months ago, both planes were blown up by explosions which killed more than 100 people. But all of this was flipped over later, as more "truth" started to show from the dark. It came out that both Africargo and City Connexion were "paper" or "internet" airlines. The CL-44, which is reportedly registered 9U-BHI, does have that registration but has never been owned or operated by neither City Connexions nor Robertson. This was revealed by one of the actual owners of the aircraft. The "Sunday Mail" has taken up Robertson many times, and they can also reveal that he, who calls himself "The Guvnor" on PPrune and "Ceilidh" on Airliners Net, has been involved in more than 10 "airlines" - few, if any of which ever made it into the air. According to their information, his bases have included a string of war-torn African countries notorious for diamond and arms smuggling. Robertson, whose only pilot's qualification is a lapsed licence he bought in Nigeria for 60 pounds, returned home to England to set up Caledonian Wings. Plugging the firm on TV and in the Press, he said it would be Scotland's first international airline. Prestwick's managing director, Tom Wilson, was persuaded that the new airline could get off the ground. He said "If it gets the planes and finance to start up, there is no doubt it will work. We would welcome transatlantic flights back with open arms. It would be a major stimulant for the Ayrshire economy." But they also said that "At this stage Caledonian Wings is an idea - so far the company has not yet purchased aircraft from supplier Delta. We hope of course that finance can be raised however until that happens, Prestwick is not involved." And despite publishing ticket prices and advertising for staff, Robertson's airline has no aircraft or pilots whatsoever. The company's "switchboard" is Robertson's mobile phone, while the "office" is his laptop computer. And the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has never heard of him or his firm. On his website, Robertson still claims he will be raising 350 million pounds to buy and overhaul 44 L-1011s.

Robertson has been involved at various levels with "airlines" in Equatorial Guinea, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania and the Democratic Republic of Congo. As previously mentiones, the common fact about the areas is that all of them are notorious for its civil wars, corruption and lawlessness. Robertson's firms included City Connexions, SecureAir, FreshAir, TransOceanic, PegasusAir, Lionair, Skymaster Freight, Trans Lloyd Cargo and Africargo Airlines. And not even Africargo operated any aircraft. It was run by Robertson and another of his firms, City Connexions. The two propeller-driven freight planes told to have been operated by Africargo, built in 1961 and 1964, were destroyed, or at least heavily damaged, at Kinshasa Airport in the Democratic Republic of Congo in April anyway. The inferno was blamed on a soldier dropping explosives. At least 100 people died and 200 were injured. Shortly before the catastrophe, Robertson announced that City Connexions were also grounded, blaming it on "political problems". The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said anyone wanting to run an airline in the UK would need both an Air Operating Certificate (AOC) and an Operating Licence. But a CAA spokeswoman said few days ago that they had not been contacted by Caledonian Wings or any other firm Robertson has used for his latest venture - Celtic Airways, Celtic Aviation, Celtic Caledonian, Wings Holdings or the Odyssey Group. Even if they had been contacted, applying for such rights takes more than six months national and an additional four months for international routes. Robertson's plans seem way too premature, don't you think so?

In January 2001, Robertson reported that due to "difficulties", the inaugural flight will not take place until April 2002. He also says that he has posted the availability of their L-1011s for wet-lease contracts and that the response from the industry was great. Can this be? Even Air Atlanta Icelandic, who is well-known for their ACMI leases, is having some hardships in finding contractors. Later, Robertson released news that he is now ready to place his first TriStar online, which he claims is N31023 (msn 1080), as previously mentioned. He used the wording "ready to rock'n roll", but is the aircraft really going to? Early this year, a representative from an aviation company made a visit to Kingman, Arizona, where N31023 is parked, like most other remaining TriStars which were with Trans World Airlines. He reported that the aircraft was still sitting on sand, missing all of its three engines and many other vital parts, and looking like if it is going to be scrapped soon. According to his report, the aircraft has not been touched for many years. Well, then what did Robertson mean by "rock'n roll"? Is he going to convert the aircraft into a disco or what?

They they have no aircraft, no crew, no rights, and they are missing the most important thing of all, cash! Also, as this article points out, there are serious doubts about Robertson's words.

This article was posted on: April 4, 2001

(edited for length)

[Luv 744s]

Danny --

Thank you for a job most well done, sir! You have my fullest respect for not only the outstanding job with this web site / bulletin board, but as well as for this, and also my fullest appreciation.

[Andrew M]

I can confirm, that Neil received a life sentence.


Source: Scotland Today

Don't suppose you seen it PPRuNe Radar ?


Life eh ? - too right!


Well done Danny again ! :)

[link to Scotland Todays' website] (http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=1196)

the full story is there

[PAXboy]

'Life' with a minimum of six years, from the BBC:

On Tuesday, [Lord Reed] took 25 minutes to explain why Robertson deserved a life sentence. He said Robertson presented a considerable danger to the public and should serve at least six years in jail.

He stressed it did not follow that he would be released then and it would be up to the parole board to decide when Robertson should be freed.

[ghost-rider]

Result ! :)

I hope the swine rots !

Once again, congrats to all involved in bringing this to the authorities attention. At least the judge got it right on this occasion.

Evanelpus, words can't express my sympathy for what your daughter and your family must have been through.

Hope all is as well as it can be for the future.

[DOK001]

Here here,

I think the number of postings to this forum summs it all up Danny- you've done humanity a great service.

Lets hope the sick son of a b*&%h gets the treatment he deserves in prison.

Thanks for taking the initiative Danny.

Cheers,

[PatientlyWatching]

Danny,

Thank you - I hope that this will bring closure for all of us affected by him as well.

"the psycho ex"

[Evanelpus]

Hi Ghost

It was my son, not my daughter. Not that that should make any difference to how I felt at the time.


Thanks for the kind words, time as they say, is a great healer and my boy is a normal, well adjusted teenager. When this all happened he was the one who had the courage to tell us what had happened and prevented other children suffering the same fate. We were, and still are, extremely proud of him.