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johnwalton
17th Jun 2003, 05:18
Just heard on the radio that a FlyBe flight from SOU this evening had technical problems (half of the hydrolics failed?) and the flight had to make an emergency landing at Lyon. The reporter said the passengers had been in the brace position on landing.

Anyone know anything more?

Cyrano
17th Jun 2003, 18:34
There was a flyBE Q400 sitting all alone on the LYS ramp last night at about 2030LT - was that the one?

Whispering Giant
17th Jun 2003, 20:09
just to correct this sensationist posting - not an emergency - just a precautionary landing due to the loss of one hydraulic system and we have our own engineer's in lyon.
Pax's DID NOT adopt the brace position for landing.
Only reson that this made it onto the new's was that there was 2 ITN reporter's on the flight on their way to Italy.

Just another example of sensationaist reporting.

skytravel
18th Jun 2003, 01:03
I live in Southampton, and noticed in today's Daily Echo an artical on this event. It appears that passengers did adopt the brace position, here is the article itself, from their website:

"PASSENGERS on a flight from Southampton to Italy were forced to endure an emergency landing yesterday when the aircraft's hydraulic systems failed.

Frightened passengers adopted crash "brace" positions as the turbo-propped aircraft was forced to land at Lyon airport in France - just two and half hours into their journey.

The drama began when Flybe's flight 1823 from Southampton to Bergamo airport just outside Milan lost hydraulic power - crippling some of the aircraft's control systems.

The Q400 aircraft with 49 passengers on board took off at about midday yesterday - half an hour later than it was scheduled.

Passengers described how, as the aircraft was crossing over France, the captain announced that the plane had developed hydraulic trouble and would have to make a forced landing.

Passenger Beth Stride, 22, from Horlock Road in Brockenhurst, said: "We were told we were due to make an emergency landing. The pilot said there was a problem with the hydraulics."

Mary Blandford from Salisbury added: "Everybody was very calm, surprisingly. We just listened to the emergency procedure. We took the brace position and it landed very well with not too much of a bump."

Another passenger, who did not want to be named, said: "We landed at about 180mph when the standard speed is 105mph. We were surrounded by fire engines as we touched-down. It was quite scary."

A spokesman for Flybe said: "Flight 1823 departed from Southampton at 12.03 en-route to Milan. The captain was alerted to a drop in the hydraulic pressure and took the decision to divert to Lyon.

"The passengers were advised of the hydraulic problem and were asked to brace for a fast and long landing. At no time was an emergency declared.

"The use of the brace position was just a precaution." "

I hope that this gives you some more info, you probably already know now anyway!

KAT TOO
19th Jun 2003, 05:00
After "just" 2 1/2 into the flight, its a wonder that they could bend let alone "brace" why do flybe ask a turboprop to do a jet job? the dash will follow the SAAB 2000 & Jetstreams into history soon engouh.:ok:

Smokie
19th Jun 2003, 09:04
According to," The FlyBe Q400 PR Department."
The good ole Q400 has :-

"Half the fuel burn of the 146."
It should have, as it has only got half the number of engines !!

Has "Virtually the same block times as the 146."
Don't think so !!

"Has the same fuel burn as a B737-700 NG."
Well I'd be Sooooo embarrassed with that one, coz that makes it one thirsty Turbo Prop and it don't go anywhere near as far as the NG does,with more pax.

AH ! De Havilland....................eh !. :ok:

Ace Rimmer
19th Jun 2003, 21:19
Ah Smokie
Now let's see got the FlyBE PR stuff right here...

I think you'll find they say "has the same seat/mile cost as a 737NG" (not the same thing as fuel burn I think you'll find)

They also say has "Less than half the fuel burn of the 146"

They say "virtually the same block times as the 146"

You say "don't think so"


BTW SAS have reported the Q4s getting better block times than MD80s on some of their routes.

Now this might be unfashionable... but I'm just not convinced that the day of the T/P is quite done yet

Raw Data
20th Jun 2003, 07:11
It does have similar block times to a 146 over a short (say one hour) sector. But then, so does the F27.

Happily, though, we still have the pleasure of sliding past Q400s with the good ole 146.

BTW, noticed yesterday that we actually passed an Easy 737 on his way to EDI. What's that about then, did he have one shut down? :}

Mind you, nothing is as mind-numbingly slow as any BA aircraft doing a 10-15 mile ILS in CAVOK conditions, at about 140 kts the whole way... talk about aerial road blocks... :bored: