av8boy
28th May 2003, 04:07
News report says "chief pilot for American Airlnes," however, I believe Capt. Price retired in 1999.
KARV is roughly 190 sm NE of KMSP, 320 sm NNW of KORD, and 540 sm WNW of CYYZ. Been there. Beautiful area. Dense forest begins about 1/2 mile N of the airport. If I did my math right, this would have occurred during daylight hours.
Condolences to all...
Dave
AP report:
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ARBOR VITAE, Wis. - A twin-engine plane crashed in the woods shortly after takeoff, killing all four people on board.
Thomas Lappin, 63, and his wife, Anne, 61, of St. Charles, Ill., died when the plane crashed Sunday night near Lakeland Airport in Arbor Vitae, about 270 miles north of Madison. The plane was heading for DuPage Airport in West Chicago, Ill.
Also killed were pilots Carl Price, 64, a chief pilot for American Airlines, and Edward Vogler, 53, a retired American pilot.
National Transportation Safety Board investigator John Brannen said it likely would take investigators two days to piece together what happened, since the eight-seat plane, a Piper PA-31P Navajo, was badly damaged.
There was no report of engine trouble before the plane went down and weather was not likely a factor, he said.
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FAA Prelim:
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 36DR Make/Model: PA31 Description: PA-31/31P Navajo, Navajo Chief
Date: 05/25/2003 Time: 2250
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: MINOCQUA-WOODRUFF State: WI Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT DEPARTED LAKELAND/NOBLE F. LEE ARPT ON RWY 36. ACFT CRASHED 1/2 MILE
NORTH. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE FOUR POB SUFFERED FATAL
INJURIES. MINOCQUE-WOODRUFF, WI
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 4
# Crew: 1 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: METAR KARV 252253Z AUTO 02007G15KT 10SM CLR 19/M08 A3009 RMK A02
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation
Departed: MINOCQUE-WOODRUFF,WI Dep Date: 05/25/2003 Dep. Time: 2250
Destination: DUPAGE, CHICAGO,IL Flt Plan: IFR Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: NONE
Last Clearance: NONE
FAA FSDO: MILWAUKEE, WI (GL13) Entry date: 05/27/2003
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FAA Registration info:
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N-number : N36DR
Aircraft Serial Number : 31P-7530025
Aircraft Manufacturer : PIPER
Model : PA-31P
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : TIGO-541SER
Aircraft Year : 1975
Owner Name : NAVAJO INC
Owner Address : 1258 MEADOWS RD
GENEVA, IL, 60134-3214
Registration Date : 20-Aug-2001
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Normal
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Airport:
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FAA INFORMATION EFFECTIVE 15 MAY 2003
Location
FAA Identifier: ARV
Lat/Long: 45-55-40.532N / 089-43-51.394W
45-55.67553N / 089-43.85657W
45.9279256 / -89.7309428
(estimated)
Elevation: 1630 ft. / 496.8 m (surveyed)
Variation: 01W (1990)
From city: 3 miles NW of MINOCQUA-WOODRUFF, WI
Airport Operations
Airport use: Open to the public
Sectional chart: GREEN BAY
Control tower: no
ARTCC: MINNEAPOLIS CENTER
FSS: GREEN BAY FLIGHT SERVICE STATION [1-800-WX-BRIEF]
NOTAMs facility: ARV (NOTAM-D service available)
Runway Information
Runway 18/36
Dimensions: 5150 x 100 ft. / 1570 x 30 m
Surface: asphalt, in good condition
Weight limitations: Single wheel: 21000 lbs
Runway edge lights: non-standard
NSTD HIRL; NSTD THLD LGTS MALS TYPE THLD LGT BAR IN ADDITION TO STD LGTG.
RUNWAY 18 RUNWAY 36
Markings: nonprecision, in good condition nonprecision, in good condition
Instrument approach: LOC/DME
Obstructions: 64 ft. tree, 2900 ft. from runway, 42:1 slope to clear 68 ft. trees, 1900 ft. from runway, 500 ft. right of centerline, 25:1 slope to clear
Runway 10/28
Dimensions: 3602 x 75 ft. / 1098 x 23 m
Surface: asphalt, in poor condition
Weight limitations: Single wheel: 21000 lbs
Runway edge lights: medium intensity
RUNWAY 10 RUNWAY 28
Airport Operational Statistics
Aircraft based on the field: 33
Single engine airplanes: 33
Aircraft operations: avg 74/day
55% transient general aviation
33% local general aviation
8% air taxi
4% commercial
<1% military
Additional Remarks
- DEER ON & INVOF ARPT.
Followup info:
By Ames Boykin Daily Herald Staff Writer
Two Naperville residents and a St. Charles couple died over the weekend when a small plane crashed shortly after takeoff in northern Wisconsin.
Family members on Monday identified the victims, all longtime friends, as Carl J. Price and Edward R. Vogler of Naperville and Dr. Thomas F. Lappin and Catherine Anne Lappin of St. Charles.
Price and Vogler, experienced American Airlines pilots, had flown to northern Wisconsin Sunday afternoon to pick up the Lappins from their summer home in Boulder Junction, near the Michigan border, said son Peter Lappin.
Thomas "Tim" Lappin was part-owner of the eight-seat, twin-engine Piper PA-31P Navajo, which crashed about 6 p.m. Sunday in a wooded area about a half mile north of Lakeland Airport in Arbor Vitae.
"It cleared the runway, but it never had the altitude to get out," said Jeff Biertzer, Arbor Vitae's rescue squad chief.
National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) investigator John Brannon said the plane was headed to DuPage Airport in West Chicago. Investigators did not know whether Price or Vogler was at the controls.
NTSB (news - web sites) officials were at the scene Monday, and the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) sent an investigator to try to determine what went wrong, said FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory.
Neither Thomas Lappin, nor Anne, as she was called, ever flew the plane. They would ask friends to fly them, as they did on Friday when they arrived at the Wisconsin home they had kept for more than 20 years, Peter Lappin said.
Another pilot flew the Lappins on Friday. Price and Vogler left DuPage Airport early Sunday afternoon to pick up the couple.
Families and co-workers of the four mourned Monday.
The Lappins had six children and 17 grandchildren.
"Their lives revolved around each other and their children," Peter Lappin said.
Thomas Lappin practiced family medicine at Delnor Community Hospital and had offices in St. Charles.
Lappin had known Price, an American Airlines pilot who retired in 1999 after 33 years with the airline, since the early 1970s, Lappin's son said.
Both Price and Vogler were highly regarded pilots at American, said Mary Frances Fagan, spokeswoman for the airline.
Both achieved the title "chief pilot," Fagan said. Of American's 1,800 pilots in the Chicago area, only four are chief pilots.
An Air Force veteran, Ed Vogler was hired by American in 1978 and he achieved the chief pilot position in 1996, Fagan said. He is survived by his wife, Eileen, and three daughters.
Price, who is survived by his wife, Jody, two children and five grandchildren, served as a chief pilot for 14 years before his retirement.
Price was known as a "pilot's pilot" because he was empathetic to his colleagues, said South Barrington resident John Jirschele, a longtime friend and current American chief pilot.
Price also was legendary for his golf trips to Scotland. He would often volunteer to fly one of the airline's summer flights to Scotland to get in a round of golf, Jirschele said.
"We'd like to think he was working, too," Jirschele joked.
Vogler, too, was renowned in American's circles, but for other reasons. "He always had a smile on his face," Jirschele said.
"He had the most horrible puns. We would just groan," he joked.
Even Jirschele's family has come to refer to puns as "Vogler humor."
Both Price and Vogler also loved to fly in their free time.
Four years ago, both men joined the Businessmen's Flying Club, a club for professionals who fly out of Naper Aero Club airport at Naper Aero Estates, said Mike Pastore, the club's president.
Vogler had missed the last meeting because he was sent by American Airlines to pick up U.S. troops from Germany, Pastore said.
"They were really great people. They were good friends and good people, and we're going to miss them a lot," Pastore said.
Brannon said it likely would take investigators two days to piece together what happened. A crew of 20 to 30 firefighters fought the blaze for about three hours. The fire burned as much as an acre and a half, fire officials said.
"Most of the airplane was consumed in that fire," said Brannon, adding there was no report of engine trouble before the plane went down, and weather likely was not a factor. He said a witness saw the craft take off and thought "the airplane was lower than it should have been."
Funeral arrangements were pending Monday.
KARV is roughly 190 sm NE of KMSP, 320 sm NNW of KORD, and 540 sm WNW of CYYZ. Been there. Beautiful area. Dense forest begins about 1/2 mile N of the airport. If I did my math right, this would have occurred during daylight hours.
Condolences to all...
Dave
AP report:
**********
ARBOR VITAE, Wis. - A twin-engine plane crashed in the woods shortly after takeoff, killing all four people on board.
Thomas Lappin, 63, and his wife, Anne, 61, of St. Charles, Ill., died when the plane crashed Sunday night near Lakeland Airport in Arbor Vitae, about 270 miles north of Madison. The plane was heading for DuPage Airport in West Chicago, Ill.
Also killed were pilots Carl Price, 64, a chief pilot for American Airlines, and Edward Vogler, 53, a retired American pilot.
National Transportation Safety Board investigator John Brannen said it likely would take investigators two days to piece together what happened, since the eight-seat plane, a Piper PA-31P Navajo, was badly damaged.
There was no report of engine trouble before the plane went down and weather was not likely a factor, he said.
*******************
FAA Prelim:
*******************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 36DR Make/Model: PA31 Description: PA-31/31P Navajo, Navajo Chief
Date: 05/25/2003 Time: 2250
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: MINOCQUA-WOODRUFF State: WI Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT DEPARTED LAKELAND/NOBLE F. LEE ARPT ON RWY 36. ACFT CRASHED 1/2 MILE
NORTH. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE FOUR POB SUFFERED FATAL
INJURIES. MINOCQUE-WOODRUFF, WI
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 4
# Crew: 1 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: METAR KARV 252253Z AUTO 02007G15KT 10SM CLR 19/M08 A3009 RMK A02
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation
Departed: MINOCQUE-WOODRUFF,WI Dep Date: 05/25/2003 Dep. Time: 2250
Destination: DUPAGE, CHICAGO,IL Flt Plan: IFR Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: NONE
Last Clearance: NONE
FAA FSDO: MILWAUKEE, WI (GL13) Entry date: 05/27/2003
************************
FAA Registration info:
************************
N-number : N36DR
Aircraft Serial Number : 31P-7530025
Aircraft Manufacturer : PIPER
Model : PA-31P
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : TIGO-541SER
Aircraft Year : 1975
Owner Name : NAVAJO INC
Owner Address : 1258 MEADOWS RD
GENEVA, IL, 60134-3214
Registration Date : 20-Aug-2001
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Normal
**************************
Airport:
**************************
FAA INFORMATION EFFECTIVE 15 MAY 2003
Location
FAA Identifier: ARV
Lat/Long: 45-55-40.532N / 089-43-51.394W
45-55.67553N / 089-43.85657W
45.9279256 / -89.7309428
(estimated)
Elevation: 1630 ft. / 496.8 m (surveyed)
Variation: 01W (1990)
From city: 3 miles NW of MINOCQUA-WOODRUFF, WI
Airport Operations
Airport use: Open to the public
Sectional chart: GREEN BAY
Control tower: no
ARTCC: MINNEAPOLIS CENTER
FSS: GREEN BAY FLIGHT SERVICE STATION [1-800-WX-BRIEF]
NOTAMs facility: ARV (NOTAM-D service available)
Runway Information
Runway 18/36
Dimensions: 5150 x 100 ft. / 1570 x 30 m
Surface: asphalt, in good condition
Weight limitations: Single wheel: 21000 lbs
Runway edge lights: non-standard
NSTD HIRL; NSTD THLD LGTS MALS TYPE THLD LGT BAR IN ADDITION TO STD LGTG.
RUNWAY 18 RUNWAY 36
Markings: nonprecision, in good condition nonprecision, in good condition
Instrument approach: LOC/DME
Obstructions: 64 ft. tree, 2900 ft. from runway, 42:1 slope to clear 68 ft. trees, 1900 ft. from runway, 500 ft. right of centerline, 25:1 slope to clear
Runway 10/28
Dimensions: 3602 x 75 ft. / 1098 x 23 m
Surface: asphalt, in poor condition
Weight limitations: Single wheel: 21000 lbs
Runway edge lights: medium intensity
RUNWAY 10 RUNWAY 28
Airport Operational Statistics
Aircraft based on the field: 33
Single engine airplanes: 33
Aircraft operations: avg 74/day
55% transient general aviation
33% local general aviation
8% air taxi
4% commercial
<1% military
Additional Remarks
- DEER ON & INVOF ARPT.
Followup info:
By Ames Boykin Daily Herald Staff Writer
Two Naperville residents and a St. Charles couple died over the weekend when a small plane crashed shortly after takeoff in northern Wisconsin.
Family members on Monday identified the victims, all longtime friends, as Carl J. Price and Edward R. Vogler of Naperville and Dr. Thomas F. Lappin and Catherine Anne Lappin of St. Charles.
Price and Vogler, experienced American Airlines pilots, had flown to northern Wisconsin Sunday afternoon to pick up the Lappins from their summer home in Boulder Junction, near the Michigan border, said son Peter Lappin.
Thomas "Tim" Lappin was part-owner of the eight-seat, twin-engine Piper PA-31P Navajo, which crashed about 6 p.m. Sunday in a wooded area about a half mile north of Lakeland Airport in Arbor Vitae.
"It cleared the runway, but it never had the altitude to get out," said Jeff Biertzer, Arbor Vitae's rescue squad chief.
National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) investigator John Brannon said the plane was headed to DuPage Airport in West Chicago. Investigators did not know whether Price or Vogler was at the controls.
NTSB (news - web sites) officials were at the scene Monday, and the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) sent an investigator to try to determine what went wrong, said FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory.
Neither Thomas Lappin, nor Anne, as she was called, ever flew the plane. They would ask friends to fly them, as they did on Friday when they arrived at the Wisconsin home they had kept for more than 20 years, Peter Lappin said.
Another pilot flew the Lappins on Friday. Price and Vogler left DuPage Airport early Sunday afternoon to pick up the couple.
Families and co-workers of the four mourned Monday.
The Lappins had six children and 17 grandchildren.
"Their lives revolved around each other and their children," Peter Lappin said.
Thomas Lappin practiced family medicine at Delnor Community Hospital and had offices in St. Charles.
Lappin had known Price, an American Airlines pilot who retired in 1999 after 33 years with the airline, since the early 1970s, Lappin's son said.
Both Price and Vogler were highly regarded pilots at American, said Mary Frances Fagan, spokeswoman for the airline.
Both achieved the title "chief pilot," Fagan said. Of American's 1,800 pilots in the Chicago area, only four are chief pilots.
An Air Force veteran, Ed Vogler was hired by American in 1978 and he achieved the chief pilot position in 1996, Fagan said. He is survived by his wife, Eileen, and three daughters.
Price, who is survived by his wife, Jody, two children and five grandchildren, served as a chief pilot for 14 years before his retirement.
Price was known as a "pilot's pilot" because he was empathetic to his colleagues, said South Barrington resident John Jirschele, a longtime friend and current American chief pilot.
Price also was legendary for his golf trips to Scotland. He would often volunteer to fly one of the airline's summer flights to Scotland to get in a round of golf, Jirschele said.
"We'd like to think he was working, too," Jirschele joked.
Vogler, too, was renowned in American's circles, but for other reasons. "He always had a smile on his face," Jirschele said.
"He had the most horrible puns. We would just groan," he joked.
Even Jirschele's family has come to refer to puns as "Vogler humor."
Both Price and Vogler also loved to fly in their free time.
Four years ago, both men joined the Businessmen's Flying Club, a club for professionals who fly out of Naper Aero Club airport at Naper Aero Estates, said Mike Pastore, the club's president.
Vogler had missed the last meeting because he was sent by American Airlines to pick up U.S. troops from Germany, Pastore said.
"They were really great people. They were good friends and good people, and we're going to miss them a lot," Pastore said.
Brannon said it likely would take investigators two days to piece together what happened. A crew of 20 to 30 firefighters fought the blaze for about three hours. The fire burned as much as an acre and a half, fire officials said.
"Most of the airplane was consumed in that fire," said Brannon, adding there was no report of engine trouble before the plane went down, and weather likely was not a factor. He said a witness saw the craft take off and thought "the airplane was lower than it should have been."
Funeral arrangements were pending Monday.