Could a PPL be put down as a 'Professional Qualification'?

[G-NADS]

yes/no?

[Pielander]

no

[G-LOST]

Afraid not. To consider a PPL to be a professional qualification would insult those of us who have worked so hard to gain our CPL or ATPLs.

[G-NADS]

Insult??????? pffffff! - thats not a reason

[Tosh McCaber]

I cannot think of any reasons for a PPL being classified a "Professional Qualification"- can you,G-NADS? For instance, would you class your car driver's licence a professional qualification? I hardly think so.

Same difference.

[rolling circle]

A PPL is a recreational licence, it does not permit you to accept remuneration for any flying you do and cannot, therefore, be considered to be a professional qualification.

A BCPL, CPL or ATPL is a professinal qualification as it does allow remuneration. Licences are referred to generically as 'Private' (PPL and, eventually, NPPL) and 'Professional' (BCPL, CPL, ATPL)

[Autofly]

All aspeacts of the avaition industry is proffesional. I wouldn't like to think i share the skies with amateurs on a sunday afternoon, however in comparision, there is no way you can quote your PPL at a proffesional qualification.

AF

[G-NADS]

Thank you,

It's just that I'm applying for a position with an IT firm and the application form asks for "any professional qualifications" so I thought I might be able to get away with writing down that I have a PPL - they wouldn't know ;)

[GPS Approach]

G-NADS,

I'd stick it down on the form if I were you, in my opinion a PPL certainly ranks as a lot harder qualification to gain, than a lot of the other so called professional qualifications e.g Degree in the study of David Beckham and such other nonsense!!!

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[Genghis the Engineer]

Depends upon the context.

My business card (well one of them) says "Aerospace Consultant", in which context anything related to aerospace (cost of PPL rating, attendance at a CAA Seminar, subscription to Flyer) I consider valuable to my profession, and therefore goes on my tax return against earnings. My PPLs also appear on my CV, alongside many other things, some considerably less mainstream than that.

On the other hand, it doesn't qualify you to earn a living flying, unlike say a CPL or my CEng, so from that viewpoint it isn't. However, you could make a fair argument that it is, if it is being used as a stepping stone to a commercial license.

It's a bit like the justification for house prices - Location, Location, Location.

G

[Noggin]

A licence is a Permit and cannot be regarded as a qualification, professional or otherwise. In that respect a PPL is no different from a CPL or a ATPL, none of them are qualifications.

[212man]

I assume that last remark is a wind up; my dictionary (can't be bothered to repeat it verbatim) makes no real distinction of any note. Is there some legal document (is that an accepted term) that defines a qualification as being academic only, and preferably in a classical subject from a non-redbrick or ex-polytechnic university?

Having said that, I'd disagree that a PPL should be included as a professional (one 'f') qualification as by definition it is for private use only. I would have thought that suitable reference to holding a Private Pilot's Licence on an application form would be impressive enough to most non-aviation companies and a good talking point at interview.

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[Pielander]

Noggin

I quite agree that a private pilot's license, by definition, is not a professional qualification, but doesn't that which qualifies someone to do something, professionally or otherwise, count as a qualification? If not, then what does?

Pie

[Snapper_head]

On an application form for a non flying job sure put it down everyone tells stories on those forms it might help or it may do nothing so give it a go.
But in my opinion it would not be considered a professional qualification.


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[trolleydollylover]

Put it down on your CV, but I wouldn't stick it down as a professional qual. It is a good talking point in an interview, especially if you are a well rounded individual, not a spod, but just keep the bull at a believable level otherwise you might make a prat of yourself, remember everybody lies at an interview, look at the Duchess of Wessex,the Guilford 4 and Kieth Vaz.

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[Wee Weasley Welshman]

In the context in question I would put it down.

WWW

[Tor]

G-NADS

Surely you should put it on the application form. You're not required to have a CPL to do business flying so the company could have use of your PPL.

[Noggin]

A Licence is issued to a person on the basis of meeting certain requirements or qualifications, the licence itself is not a qualification.

[Pielander]

Noggin

I see where you're coming from now, hence, the old NVQ in "piloting a transport aircraft" was a qualification, but the license it is associated with is not. Yet another reason to bring back NVQ tax relief (as if one were needed!)

Pie

[GJB]

By all means, tell them you have a PPL - it sounds far more interesting than
'enjoys DIY / gardening / shopping / socialising.'

However, I think it is for the hobbies and interests section.

[and the chap said]

I agree, put it on your CV by all means, but leave it for the Hobbies and Interests section. I put down that I was learning to fly, on the way to gaining my PPL - on an appl. form and it was a great talking point in the interview. During my interview, we briefly covered the mandatory questions before spending most of the time talking about PPL training.

Consequently, I really enjoyed the interview, as I felt comfortable talking about it and my interviewer was genuinely intrigued, since he wanted to learn how to fly.

I got the job - shame it's not as easy to get a flying job!

ATCS

[Pielander]

Nowt wrong with socialising GJB :)

[Flying Lawyer]

A Private licence is a qualification and an achievement which you should certainly include in your CV, but it's not a Professional licence, and not a professional qualification.

There is a danger that including it as a professional qualification' might backfire if your CV is read by someone who knows that there's a world of difference between obtaining a PPL and obtaining a CPL/ATPL.

(PPL)

[This message has been edited by Flying Lawyer (edited 09 April 2001).]

[The Greener Grass]

I would just add that if for example you are enrolled on a modular ATPL course with an approved FTO, then it is counted as a necessary stepping stone to reach the ATPL licence.

What is the relevance of this you may think? Well it allows you to apply for a CDL and that means that the first £8000 of your flying costs do not come out of your bank account. Hence you can aquire your PPL on interest free credit for at least 18 months and possibly longer?

I know it only delays the pain, but it is worth looking at.