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Jangys
22nd May 2003, 16:51
We were taking off out of Durban yesterday after Comair 737 came in with a Cat C emergency. Anyone know what a Cat C emergency is? They isolated the 737 at the compass swing bay with the fire tenders and SAPS on the scene.:cool:

tyrant
22nd May 2003, 18:15
It was a bomb threat, some joker apparently phoned the threat in to Comair, and the aircraft was turned back to Durban.

Nothing found, suprise suprise :eek:


T

BMM389EC
22nd May 2003, 20:32
Anyone know who the crew was?

Gunship
22nd May 2003, 20:37
... fouker and hang him where it hurts ...

or let him stay here for life ...

http://www.news24.com/Images/Photos/2003051012224010_prisoner.jpg

BAKELA
22nd May 2003, 23:46
This also stuffed around other operators as a lot of flights were grounded at Durbs while this crap was sorted out!:mad: And delays cost money...

Gunship
23rd May 2003, 00:05
It really makes me mad to think that somebody can make a hoax like that in today's day and age :\

Gunship
23rd May 2003, 01:48
is online ... so expect the REAL story soon ... ;)

REAL ORCA
23rd May 2003, 01:52
Dont know. Been away from work for two days and see what happens!:}

REAL ORCA
24th May 2003, 18:32
This is the info I managed to get- could however not verify it with the pilots concerned.

Apparently a telephone call was received by a police station, stating that the last aircraft that took off from Durban had a bomb onboard. I did not identify a carrier or flight number. The last flight airborne happened to be a BA flight which was turned around, taxied to the compass bay, off loaded and searched. Nothing was found. All other departures were delayed and apparently also searched. Big f**k-up. Hope they catch him and hang him by his avo's.

Hope info was accurate!

Gunship
24th May 2003, 20:45
:p:p:pAvo's .... Wha ha ha ha ... :p:p:p

Skaz
25th May 2003, 03:15
noooo pel, ons boere outjies have got Avo's ek se:} :cool: :ok:

this little b#stard must have little sultanatjies:{ :E

Jangys
26th May 2003, 14:22
Delayed us for about 20min. Passengers was not happy......specially took fuel the previous night to overcome any delays, and then.......BOMB THREAT:{

Flyboy737
29th May 2003, 17:49
DETAILS OF BOMB SCARE/THREAT BA6214 (DUR – JNB) 21/05/2003

During the climb out of DUR passing +/- 8000’ we were advised by ATC that a “Code Charlie” had been declared at Durban and that we had to turn onto a heading of 240.

We did not understand the “Code Charlie” but turned onto the heading instructed. (At the time I was the PNF and as such was doing the radio work). I changed to OPS frequency and spoke Comair Traffic in Durban. The operator advised me that a bomb threat had been made to DUR and that we had to land in Durban immediately. At this time we were not advised about the detail of the threat. We were the only flight given the “Code Charlie” message, and as such saw it as a threat directed at our specific flight/aircraft.

I called the “Cabin Controller to the flight deck” and carried out the NITS briefing with very limited information at my disposal. Nature = BOMB THREAT; Intention = RETURNING TO DUR; Time = LESS THAN 10 MIN; Special Instructions = PREPARE CABIN – NO EVACUATION PLANNED. At this time I made a PA announcement , but only indicated that we were requested to land back in DUR without delay (to prevent possible panic). I requested that the passengers follow all instructions given by the cabin crew.

We were advised by ATC to descend to 7000’ and had to advise them “field visual” for the left hand visual approach for RWY 06 at DUR. On the left base I assumed the position of PF, and executed the visual approach and landing. The tower controller advised us to vacate to the compass swing bay after the landing, and we shut down in that position (on the North Eastern side of the airport, and across the RWY from the terminal buildings).

We called DUR Traffic to send steps/stairs to the aircraft to disembark. After the shut down, I went back into the Cabin and advised the passengers on the PA of the bomb threat that had been issued. I asked them to remain calm and seated. Our passengers remained relatively calm and co-operated very well. When the stairs arrived, they disembarkd the aircraft in an orderly manner. (Passengers included elderly couples, PAU and A pregnant lady!) If we had evacuated the risk of injury was relatively high – so we disembarked.

The police arrived with the stairs, and a K9 unit with “sniffer dog”. Our passengers were transported to the BA-Lounge. The SAPS senior officer (a Brig. General) requested that the cockpit crew stay at the aircraft, to assist them and supervise the search of the aircraft and baggage. The Cabin crew went to the Rennies lounge. The sniffer dog was used to search the aircraft, and then all hand luggage and baggage after it had all been placed outside. After we were given the “all clear” by the police the aircraft was towed back to bay A2. All the luggage had been X rayed at International Departures and all passengers had to identify his/her luggage and check the contents after the search. After we had re-fuelled and the passengers again boarded for the return flight, we were running +/- 2 hour 30 min late of schedule.

Lessons learnt, and points to ponder:

The use of “Code Charlie” by ATC was very confusing, as this was NOT the company system as would be expected in this situation. After the flight we found that “Code Charlie” was a International ATC code used to indicate – Bomb warning/threat. Keep the (new)“Codes” in your flight bag!

Some passengers took out cell phones, to make telephone calls after landing (before we disembarked) – We instructed them to put away the phones, as we had no way of knowing if an explosive device was onboard, or if it could be triggered by cell phone.

The time it took for the stairs to arrive at the aircraft was very frustrating – maybe because we wanted to disembark the passengers without delay. We were later advised that the stairs had to be escorted by a radio equipped vehicle, to cross the runway. The crew was faced with a difficult decision – If you pop the slides and evacuate you risk injury to passengers (We had elderly people; pregnant lady and a PAU). If you sit and wait for the stairs you might end up like the Captain on Saudia Air and leave every one to perish! We decided to wait.

The value of a supportive F/O can not be emphasised enough. My F/O did an excellent job of this during the flight, and provided great inputs and arranged numerous things ( Refuelers / flight plan / tug and parking bay etc.) afterwards.

The cabin crew did a wonderful job, and afterwards were complimented by most of our pax. Of the 66 original pax only 4 did not travel back to JNB with us (Businessmen who had missed their meetings). During my recent SEPT refresher the instructor pointed out the importance of a “visible captain” to control/calm a situation. This is especially true with the” locked door policy”. I must say that this worked very well, but obviously depends on your situation.

Crew could feel traumatised by a situation after they prepared the cabin, coped with crying passengers and had to assist them throughout. Crew / duty time could also become an issue and also needs consideration. Flying with an unwilling crewmember could also jeopardise safety.

As a crew we received compliments from just about all of the passengers as we finally disembarked in JNB. We have even been thanked by e mail and letters so, I believe that this negative incident was well handled by the crew as a team.

Please send me your comments, remarks, or crit .

For a copy of the ATC code list e-mail me on: [email protected]

Flyboy737

Flyboy737
29th May 2003, 21:03
DETAILS OF BOMB SCARE/THREAT BA6214 (DUR – JNB) 21/05/2003

During the climb out of DUR passing +/- 8000’ we were advised by ATC that a “Code Charlie” had been declared at Durban and that we had to turn onto a heading of 240.

We did not understand the “Code Charlie” but turned onto the heading instructed. (At the time I was the PNF and as such was doing the radio work). I changed to OPS frequency and spoke Comair Traffic in Durban. The operator advised me that a bomb threat had been made to DUR and that we had to land in Durban immediately. At this time we were not advised about the detail of the threat. We were the only flight given the “Code Charlie” message, and as such saw it as a threat directed at our specific flight/aircraft.

I called the “Cabin Controller to the flight deck” and carried out the NITS briefing with very limited information at my disposal. Nature = BOMB THREAT; Intention = RETURNING TO DUR; Time = LESS THAN 10 MIN; Special Instructions = PREPARE CABIN – NO EVACUATION PLANNED. At this time I made a PA announcement , but only indicated that we were requested to land back in DUR without delay (to prevent possible panic). I requested that the passengers follow all instructions given by the cabin crew.

We were advised by ATC to descend to 7000’ and had to advise them “field visual” for the left hand visual approach for RWY 06 at DUR. On the left base I assumed the position of PF, and executed the visual approach and landing. The tower controller advised us to vacate to the compass swing bay after the landing, and we shut down in that position (on the North Eastern side of the airport, and across the RWY from the terminal buildings).

We called DUR Traffic to send steps/stairs to the aircraft to disembark. After the shut down, I went back into the Cabin and advised the passengers on the PA of the bomb threat that had been issued. I asked them to remain calm and seated. Our passengers remained relatively calm and co-operated very well. When the stairs arrived, they disembarkd the aircraft in an orderly manner. (Passengers included elderly couples, PAU and A pregnant lady!) If we had evacuated the risk of injury was relatively high – so we disembarked.

The police arrived with the stairs, and a K9 unit with “sniffer dog”. Our passengers were transported to the BA-Lounge. The SAPS senior officer (a Brig. General) requested that the cockpit crew stay at the aircraft, to assist them and supervise the search of the aircraft and baggage. The Cabin crew went to the Rennies lounge. The sniffer dog was used to search the aircraft, and then all hand luggage and baggage after it had all been placed outside. After we were given the “all clear” by the police the aircraft was towed back to bay A2. All the luggage had been X rayed at International Departures and all passengers had to identify his/her luggage and check the contents after the search. After we had re-fuelled and the passengers again boarded for the return flight, we were running +/- 2 hour 30 min late of schedule.

Lessons learnt, and points to ponder:

The use of “Code Charlie” by ATC was very confusing, as this was NOT the company system as would be expected in this situation. After the flight we found that “Code Charlie” was a International ATC code used to indicate – Bomb warning/threat. Keep the (new)“Codes” in your flight bag!

Some passengers took out cell phones, to make telephone calls after landing (before we disembarked) – We instructed them to put away the phones, as we had no way of knowing if an explosive device was onboard, or if it could be triggered by cell phone.

The time it took for the stairs to arrive at the aircraft was very frustrating – maybe because we wanted to disembark the passengers without delay. We were later advised that the stairs had to be escorted by a radio equipped vehicle, to cross the runway. The crew was faced with a difficult decision – If you pop the slides and evacuate you risk injury to passengers (We had elderly people; pregnant lady and a PAU). If you sit and wait for the stairs you might end up like the Captain on Saudia Air and leave every one to perish! We decided to wait.

The value of a supportive F/O can not be emphasised enough. My F/O did an excellent job of this during the flight, and provided great inputs and arranged numerous things ( Refuelers / flight plan / tug and parking bay etc.) afterwards.

The cabin crew did a wonderful job, and afterwards were complimented by most of our pax. Of the 66 original pax only 4 did not travel back to JNB with us (Businessmen who had missed their meetings). During my recent SEPT refresher the instructor pointed out the importance of a “visible captain” to control/calm a situation. This is especially true with the” locked door policy”. I must say that this worked very well, but obviously depends on your situation.

Crew could feel traumatised by a situation after they prepared the cabin, coped with crying passengers and had to assist them throughout. Crew / duty time could also become an issue and also needs consideration. Flying with an unwilling crewmember could also jeopardise safety.

As a crew we received compliments from just about all of the passengers as we finally disembarked in JNB. We have even been thanked by e mail and letters so, I believe that this negative incident was well handled by the crew as a team.

Please send me your comments, remarks, or crit .

For a copy of the ATC code list e-mail me on: [email protected]

Flyboy737

Gunship
29th May 2003, 21:56
A fantastic post and ..

A fantastic job ... well done Flyboy 737 :ok:

126,7
30th May 2003, 00:35
I have never heard of a "code charlie" 'till now ! We used to say there was a "MR Lotus on board" when we passed information about bomb threats. One night in about 1991 SAA diverted all their airbourne aircraft as somebody called in a bomb threat. Bid shambles, but nothing found, thank goodness.

Goldfish Jack
30th May 2003, 14:21
Aaaaaaaaaaah MR LOTUS.

Speaking to my colleagues at work the other day about this strange codeword to try and attempt to communicate to an aicrew about a bomb threat on their aircraft..... we were unable to discover the origin of Mr Lotus, until some serious research was done about this....

It appears MR Lotus was first coined in the late 1980/early 1990s between the then SA Railways Police/SAA management/D:CA and the then div of ATC. It was an agreed codeword to be used to inform a crew about a bomb threat. It was also supposed to include a seat number, if the bomb was an alt sensitive/ pressure detonated bomb. The seat number indicating the possible alt the bomb could explode. (dont ask me what the crew would do, apart from bend over backwards, etc etc!!!!). I can remember being told about this behind doors and told NEVER EVER tell anyone about it except at work, and only to SAA related personnel.

We were never officially taught about it and so it has seemingly passed into disuse. (Ask a recently qualified ACT about Mr Lotus and he will more than likely think it is your uncle!!)

As the captain so rightly says, there are now codes which indicate various types of emergencies pertaining to aviation as a whole. You should be able to get these from your flight operations departments/ briefing offices.

It seems like the crew did a sterling job here and they deserve the usual aclaim for a job well done (but then we know the high standards Comair crew are trained to and the training dept should also be praised here).

I still have my doubts about using Codes in a case like this and 20 years experience have taught me that the best way to solve this is to revert to simple language and speak the language we can all understand (ask the crew of the B727 that did the emergency descent about that one a few months ago) - it breaks down the tension and puts us all at ease.

Heavens above, we speak enough code as it is without having to make it any more difficult!!

ou Trek dronkie
30th May 2003, 22:42
Good Show Flyboy,

Potential for lots of things going wrong, but nothing did. Highly professional and very safe. Many congratulations man.

I'll bet the beer afterwards tasted especially good !

BAKELA
30th May 2003, 22:52
Flyboy737, well done to you and the crew. Excellent post about the matter as well.:ok:

I've been involved with several bombthreats (and a flippen highjack!) from airline management side and can assure you not two are the same. Bakgat boitjie! :cool:

Flyboy737
31st May 2003, 15:03
During our recent Bomb threat out of DUR the ATC used the Code Charlie - here is the list!

International ATC Codes
A Alpha Hijack alert. Specific warning received
B Bravo Hijack alert. Non-specific warning received
C Charlie Bomb warning/threat
D Delta Bomb found
E Echo Hijack actual
F Foxtrot Ground fire or missile alert
G Golf Ground fire or missile strike
H Hotel Threat to or attack on offices/installations
I India Notifiable incident
J Juliet Minor Accident (Pax or crew injured, aircraft damaged)
K Kilo Major Accident (Pax or crew fatalities)
L Lima Disastrous Accident (100% fatalities)
M Mike Remote airport disaster plan
N November Overdue aircraft

Contact me on: [email protected] for this list in e-mail format
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