Glasgow - Raleigh

[tampabay]

Anyone know anymore about the proposal for a seasonal service between Raleigh, NC and Glasgow Intl operated by US Airways? There were rumours of Edinburgh trying to steal the route but the demise of the American airline industry leaves me to think the route will be delayed in the short term at least until the airline recovers...any more info?

[Callum Johnstone]

The rumour I'd heard was that the service would be either to Philadelphia or Charlotte, but US Airways decided to launch a new route from Dublin instead.

The rumour was also that US Airways were considering either GLA or EDI. Given that BAA Scottish Airports operate both airports, I'm not entirely sure how it would go about 'stealing' a service .... from itself! ;)

Personally I'd be happy to see a new transatlantic route out of any Scottish airport. I'd rather see a service to NYC out of EDI than to any of the destinations US Airways is talking about. Also, GLA would probably benefit more from a service to BOS or perhaps an all-year-round ORD service.

[Joe Curry]

>>There were rumours of Edinburgh trying to steal the route <<

Oh dear! The dark demonic forces of EDI's Almond House are
disobeying orders from St. Andrews Drive? :rolleyes:

[nef]

GLA just got a new manager who was recently quoted as saying that there was still a possibility of a US Airways route at some time soon. However, as you say, the US airline industry is not in the best of shape, so we shall have to wait and see.

I think that any US airways route, whether from GLA or EDI, would be to Philadelphia. Wher did you hear about it being to N. Carolina?

[tampabay]

I read about it in a local newspaper, Daily Record or the Scottish Sun i think. I think it was to Charlotte now you mention it btw. Also i didn't mean that the 2 airports were trying to "steal" the route i meant it was the two city councils trying to offer better deals to try and secure the routes out of their respective airports

[Findo]

Will that be before or after the imminent Pakistani service ?

[bounty]

Will that be before or after the imminent Pakistani service ?

Findo

is that the service that has been imminent for about five years now? :suspect:

regards
b

[Callum Johnstone]

Tampabay,

I wasn't aware that the local authorities were directly involved in this one. I know that Glasgow City Council has previously put some money into developing new routes at GLA, but I'd not heard of similar financial inducements from Edinburgh City Council.

I think most of us in Edinburgh are hoping that Continental will revive its plans for a Newark service ex-EDI. 2004 was the last suggestion, but given the latest crisis in the aviation industry, as you rightly pointed out in your original post, now is not a great time to be expanding! :(

[tampabay]

Yeah well lets just hope that after the current crisis Scotland in general has better long haul routes instead of the choices we have now

1) Pay A LOT extra to fly from Scotland ( usually Glasgow )
2) Fly out of England at great inconvenience

[Findo]

bounty of course the Pakistan is imminent. Just trying to make up their minds how many to run.

So many new services in the queue ... Qatar, Lufthansa, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Volare, easyJet base, My Travel Lite bite base etc. If the Raleigh doesn't start soon there will be no room for it to park ;) ;)

[bounty]

Findo, it sounds like you need a terminal expansion over there... good luck!

[Joe Curry]

>>I wasn't aware that the local authorities were directly involved in this one. I know that Glasgow City Council has previously put some money into developing new routes at GLA, but I'd not heard of similar financial inducements from Edinburgh City
Council.<<

Pie in the Sky? Or a Blimp maybe?:yuk:

>>So many new services in the queue ... Qatar, Lufthansa, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Volare, easyJet base, My Travel Lite bite base etc. If the Raleigh doesn't start soon there will be no room for it to park <<

Dream on Findo... :O You were on the same course as
Comical Ali? :sad:

More chance of you winning the lottery..:{

[Joe Curry]

>1) Pay A LOT extra to fly from Scotland ( usually Glasgow )<

Pay a lot extra on surface transport/car parking to get to Glasgow? Plus the inconvenience of driving across a city and a river crossing.... Folk on the east coast should have choice rather
than socially engineered surely.?

>2) Fly out of England at great inconvenience<

Fly indirect from your local Scottish airport and save time/money
and local jobs. IMHO :ok:

[nef]

Here we go again:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Joe Curry]

>Here we go again<

You didn't expect the GLA information ministers to go unchallenged surely?

Perhaps we should have a rule that GLA- bragging should not
be challenged.?:p

Come to think of it if the long-haul operators don't get into EDI
soon there could be no room...given that EDI is scheduled
to have a major built-in intergrated cross-Scotland rail hub
within a few years.

Not to mention a major global financial HQ within a few
hundreds yards of it's terminal building. :cool: :cool:

[B767300ER]

Who would fly on that route? There's no hub at either end and no O&D traffic whatsoever.

Financially disastrous, even for a charter.

[Joe Curry]

>Who would fly on that route? There's no hub at either end and >no O&D traffic whatsoever.

>Financially disastrous, even for a charter

The thread-starter has friends there.?:O :O

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STANDARD DISCLAIMER:

The views and/or rantings of Joe Curry do not necessarily represent those of us living on the east coast of Scotland,specifically those us us actually in Edinburgh, as opposed to "Livingston, Edinburgh", wherever that is. :rolleyes:

Of course we would like direct US flights into EDI, but good luck to GLA if it gets them. I have travelled via GLA many times, and still can't get my head around this nugget:

Fly indirect from your local Scottish airport and save time/money

[Voldermort]

Congratulation Joe you must be the only person not to realise that Findo was taking the P*ss:}

[Joe Curry]

>Of course we would like direct US flights into EDI, but good luck to GLA if it gets them. <

GLA gets them because monopoly owner BAA pulls out all stops
to ensure their Scottish TX categorisation is not broken.

>I have travelled via GLA many times, and still can't get my head around this nugget:

quote:
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Fly indirect from your local Scottish airport and save time/money
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EDI-LHR-JFK is a 'nugget' ? :confused:

>Congratulation Joe you must be the only person not to realise that Findo was taking the P*ss<

And I wasn't?:p

[bounty]

GLA gets them because monopoly owner BAA pulls out all stops to ensure their Scottish TX categorisation is not broken.

Joe, given any opportunity, you come up with this rubbish. It does not seem to have occured to you that airlines may have an element of choice in the matter.


STANDARD DISCLAIMER:

The views and/or rantings of Joe Curry do not necessarily represent those of us living on the east coast of Scotland; specifically those us us actually in Edinburgh, as opposed to "Livingston, Edinburgh", wherever that is. :rolleyes:

[Joe Curry]

>Joe, given any opportunity, you come up with this rubbish. It does not seem to have occured to you that airlines may have an element of choice in the matter.<

There must be a lot of stupid airlines if this is the case.
Why are all the new Euro routes going to EDI and
long haul to GLA.?:hmm: :hmm:

[billyg]

So has the month of May! The beginning of a 6 month period when in pax figures, Gla leaves Edi standing!

[Joe Curry]

>So has the month of May! The beginning of a 6 month period when in pax figures, Gla leaves Edi standing!<

The start of a social-engineering season when High Street
Travel agents STEER once-a-year pax to flights and packages
that are not available from other Scottish airports.?

Pin-stripe shell suits at GLA versus business suits at EDI.? :D :D

Anyone who doubts BAA categorisation only has to study this
particular example.

BAA's April figures are out this month....airlines must be wondering why EDI is the busiest airport in the slack winter
months and GLA excels in the summer months.?

How many pax flying from GLA on vacation would opt for EDI if they had choice.? How many pax flying long-haul from GLA would
choose EDI if they had the choice.?

EDI's winter success is remarkable and would be repeated if
pax had CHOICE.

[nef]

Pin-stripe shell suits at GLA versus business suits at EDI.?

Ever heard the word snob?????

If EDI had more charters it would have these shell suit wearers you so dissapprove of swarming all over it - surely you wouldn't want that????

As for the rest - as many poster's on this forum have said before, it's becoming rather tedious.:rolleyes:

[bounty]

Ever heard the word snob?????

If EDI had more charters it would have these shell suit wearers you so dissapprove of swarming all over it - surely you wouldn't want that????


Indeed we would not. :cool:

Glasgow airport is more than welcome to the weekly paid hordes. :p

As a frequent pax, I could not care less about pax numbers, or whose airport is better, etc :rolleyes:, but the sight of Wayne, Waynetta and their offspring and the ghetto blaster blocking the salubrious checkin areas of EDI :hmm: would be enough to make be choke on my double skinny latte.

[Joe Curry]

>If EDI had more charters it would have these shell suit wearers you so dissapprove of swarming all over it - surely you wouldn't want that????<

EDI's business pax do not wear shell suits when going on vacation... :p

They do go on vacation BTW....

[Caslance]

They do go on vacation BTW....

No they don't, wee Joe, they go on holiday like the rest of us. Americans go on "vacation". You'll have had your tea, then?

This social one-upmanship is all very entertaining to a Sassenach outsider like me, but the fact remains that Edinburgh has attracted NO long-haul services whereas Glasgow has.

Is there actually enough business within the respective catchment areas to support long-haul flights from both or is it, in effect, one combined catchment area so far as long-haul business is concerned?

[Joe Curry]

>This social one-upmanship is all very entertaining to a Sassenach outsider like me, but the fact remains that Edinburgh has attracted NO long-haul services whereas Glasgow has.<

You forget BAA's categorisation? GLA has attracted no new Euro services and EDI has.

Horses for courses..in BAA's 'stadium's' the courses are pre-selected.. :suspect:

MAN does not have the problem of branches?:E

>You'll have had your tea, then?<

Yes and I'm not wearing any knickers!:D

A 'sassenach' who knows about the Edinburgh jibes.?

Dodgy.... :confused:

[Caslance]

Nowt dodgy about it, Joe. I have a dear friend who lives in Leith, and thanks to him, I know a number of even more "colourful" Edinburgh "jibes", but this really isn't the time or place.:ooh:

So, you seem to be saying that the BAA decides that new long-haul services go to Glasgow and new European services go to Edinburgh? Is that their stated policy or is it just your interpretation of events?

If that is the case then it might well be that my original thoughts are correct - that the catchment area of neither airport on it's own will support scheduled long-haul flights, but the combined catchment will.

"Branches"? Don't know about them, but there's loads of trees round MAN. Very nice part of the world, actually.;)

[surely not]

Going back in the thread a bit but why is Joe C paying LOT extra to fly from Scotland. Is Poland that popular in Scotland??:D

[TheFox]

Joe is it true that James Thurber based his most famous character on you ?

[bounty]

the bilocation claimed in his location sig might suggest that you are on to something, TheFox. Hang on, isn't TheFox just one more of Joe's many identities? :cool:

[TheFox]

I can assure you i am not and have absolutely nothing to do with Joe Curry. I do think it is very telling that Joe can use his real name.

[Joe Curry]

>If that is the case then it might well be that my original thoughts are correct - that the catchment area of neither airport on it's own will support scheduled long-haul flights, but the combined catchment will. <

Taking the theory a bit further it would seem that GLA
cannot support Euro flights and EDI can.?

Euro flights have been trialled from GLA and seemingly failed,
Long-haul has not been trialled from EDI, seems BAA are
afraid to push it.?

[Sheep fancier]

Explain why PIK can have Euro flights and GLA can't then? GLA charges in comparison to PIK's maybe something to do with it? Or maybe cheaper at EDI? If RYR can operate from EDI, why not GLA?
I await your reply with interest,

SF

[Caslance]

Taking the theory a bit further it would seem that GLA cannot support Euro flights and EDI can.?
That may be your theory, but it hardly seems to be borne out by the facts - I fly into Glasgow quite frequently and there do seem to be quite a few European routes.

Let's get this absolutely straight, Joe. Are you really saying that BAA (a privatised company) would willingly turn down fee-earning business from airlines that would like to start long-haul flights from Edinburgh?

If that IS what you're saying, then I'd like to see your evidence.

[Deeko01]

Even better, continental have just upgraded the newark service to the 777 three times weekly, to add to the 764 for the rest of the week!

Fantastic eh! :E

[GustyOrange]

Hi Deeko,

Could you let me know what days we are having the triple 7 and when it starts.

Cheers

Gusty

[Findo]

777 started today

[Sheep fancier]

Good news for Scottish Transatlantic flyers, wonderfull aircraft,

SF

[GustyOrange]

I'm sure everyone who has an interest in aviation in Scotland will welcome this news.

Gusty

:D :D :D

[nighthawk117]

<i>Even better, continental have just upgraded the newark service to the 777 three times weekly, to add to the 764 for the rest of the week!</i>

not entirely true. Due to the SARS crisis, demand for travel to the pacific (specifically hong kong and china) has plummeted. These routes were operated by 777 aircraft. Due to low demand these routes have been dropped or had frequency reduced.

As the airline now has a lot of 777 aircraft lying around, CO have decided to put them to use on popular routes, such as GLA.

A minor point, but just be warned that once SARS goes away and demand picks up on the pacific routes, the GLA flight will be back to 767-400's.

Therefore GLA has not been upgraded to 777, the aircraft is just offering a temporary capacity upgrade.

[Sheep fancier]

Nighthawk, can you name your sources re this info? If it is one of the more popular routes then doesn't it need a 777 at all times during the summer season?

SF

[nighthawk117]

source would be this thread at airliners.net:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1081660/

[Caslance]

Oh, well it MUST be true then!!!:rolleyes: